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108. "Amos hasn't completely left yet"

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Tue Apr 30, 2024, 12:34 PM

Apr 30

That gave me chills.

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Are ghosts real? [View all] Bayard Apr 29 OP

I'm surprised it's not more than 18% that believe they have seen ghosts. But, people do have other mucifer Apr 29 #1

I agree with your last sentence. former9thward Apr 29 #3

A relative of mine was home alone one night, and suddenly saw a longtime family friend. shrike3 Apr 30 #21

Your story, and the one above... It gives me pause. electric_blue68 Apr 30 #40

That is a very common occurrence Maeve Apr 30 #68

Very common dream Johnny2X2X Apr 30 #109

I never had a dream. former9thward Apr 30 #118

I never once had such a dream. NT. anamnua Apr 30 #133

Your story is especially striking. triron May 1 #151

Thank you for your work. electric_blue68 Apr 30 #39

When my 90 year old mother was in the hospital wnylib Apr 30 #43

A hospice worker giving a TED talk discussed the visions seen by the dying. shrike3 Apr 30 #71

That was how I felt about it, too. Whether real or not, wnylib Apr 30 #84

The hospice worker said if loved ones can go with the flow, it can be a positive experience all around. shrike3 Apr 30 #86

Unfortunately, my brother and his oldest son (an adult in his 40s at the time) wnylib Apr 30 #97

That's unfortunate. That's exactly what the hospice worker advised against. shrike3 Apr 30 #99

Yeah, I did what I could to let my mother feel free to talk to me, wnylib Apr 30 #105

There is a great book that addresses the phenomenon of interacting with deceased relatives before death. phylny Apr 30 #51

My husband flatlined during his last surgery. shrike3 Apr 30 #72

When you wrote: dmr May 1 #148

My husband chokes up every time he thinks of it. shrike3 May 1 #149

I'm from Appalachia Ontheboundry Apr 30 #106

Meant to respond to the OP. Deleting and reposing below. nt Quixote1818 May 2 #172

Don't bring up the First Law of Thermodynamics without bringing up the Second Law Silent3 Apr 29 #2

+1. Not to mention the arrow of time dalton99a Apr 30 #30

You just wrecked astronomy. Hermit-The-Prog Apr 30 #42

Oooh, somebody slept through Physical Chemistry! T-symmetry is absolutely a thing... sir pball Apr 30 #62

Perhaps consciousness is causal for the 'material triron Apr 30 #113

Time is irreversible because of the 2nd law (i.e. entropy) - time itself, not physical directionality/symmetry dalton99a Apr 30 #125

But if a ghost is an apparation, a vision, an experience of an observer, the direction of time isn't relevant. Doodley May 1 #150

The existence of ghosts, and the nature of consciousness, are currently outside of science. sir pball Apr 30 #67

Science, broadly speaking, is simply a methodology to make sure you aren't fooling yourself Silent3 Apr 30 #77

Because some questions just don't fit the metric. sir pball Apr 30 #85

If there is no evidence pro or con... Silent3 Apr 30 #103

I'm not sure you understood what I said sir pball Apr 30 #111

Even if consciousness "can't be explained by simple physical laws"... Silent3 Apr 30 #114

You're absolutely correct... sir pball Apr 30 #123

A scientist said that according to Quantum Mechanics it's possible memories and thoughts survive death. shrike3 Apr 30 #79

Yep, that's probably the same guy I followed back in the day. sir pball Apr 30 #87

I found his statement very interesting. And QM is way above my paygrade. shrike3 Apr 30 #88

The nature of consciousness is not "outside of science" - many scientists are investigating it muriel_volestrangler Apr 30 #91

Good questions. Way beyond my paygrade. shrike3 Apr 30 #115

Why couldn't a soul be impaired by brain damage? If the soul is generated by the brain, why not? Doodley May 1 #156

Because a soul wouldn't have a brain? shrike3 May 1 #160

What if the brain was a transmitter, like a radio? Instead of transmitting sound, it would transmit a soul? Doodley May 1 #162

There are those who believe the soul reincarnates. shrike3 May 1 #163

Yes, of course we know electrified lard is a requisite for consciousness sir pball Apr 30 #130

Funny how the gaps where the ignorant NanaCat Apr 30 #128

QM is near on a century old, no knowledge gaps are shrinking. sir pball Apr 30 #129

Wish I had the chops to truly understand QM and QP. shrike3 Apr 30 #135

The brain---conciousness, memory, innate knowledge is still outside the understanding of science. Doodley May 1 #154

I saw a ghost once happybird Apr 29 #4

Same here peppertree Apr 30 #18

Never saw a ghost but was tapped on the shoulder by one... Blue Idaho Apr 30 #121

Short answer: Disaffected Apr 29 #5

I had a "ghost mouse" in my house..... DemocraticPatriot Apr 29 #6

No. Iggo Apr 29 #7

There are over a billion surveillance cameras in the world dalton99a Apr 29 #8

Ever think that they don't show up on cameras? Polybius Apr 29 #10

Cameras... 2naSalit Apr 30 #16

Photons are what we "see" - and photons are photons dalton99a Apr 30 #34

Yes, but I'm not welcoming or sensitive to them. ecstatic Apr 29 #9

when i get to ireland, i'm planning to stay in a castle that is supposed to b the 5th most haunted mopinko Apr 29 #13

Yikes x 20! ecstatic Apr 30 #19

well, it's pretty popular. i'm sure if they misbehaved, it wouldnt b. mopinko Apr 30 #49

?Leap Castle anamnua Apr 30 #134

no. kinnitty castle. mopinko Apr 30 #144

My husband is. He's seen things. He's not religious and is not sure there's an afterlife. shrike3 Apr 30 #23

i was always in carl sagan's camp on this, but mopinko Apr 29 #11

Depends on... 2naSalit Apr 29 #12

Irrational nonsense JoseBalow Apr 30 #14

Only Answer!!! I'm saving that chart. Hilarious! Thanks wolfie001 May 1 #152

Agreed. nt Quixote1818 May 2 #171

My wife swears up and down that she was visited by the ghost of her dead brother Poiuyt Apr 30 #15

My cousin, who was very close to my mother, had a visit from my mom when she died. phylny Apr 30 #53

For me that answer is yes. edisdead Apr 30 #17

Please elaborate if you wish. If no one else wants to hear about the spirits, I do. shrike3 Apr 30 #139

No krawhitham Apr 30 #20

Hallucinations are definitely real... littlemissmartypants Apr 30 #22

OMG mechtech Apr 30 #24

It is right up there with flat earthers Voltaire2 Apr 30 #58

Always have believed in spirits and used to see them a lot when younger LiberalArkie Apr 30 #25

Yeah, nah... Violet_Crumble Apr 30 #26

I tell myself no but the the back of my mind says maybe. RandySF Apr 30 #27

Our five senses are physiological by nature. They are mere instruments that feed information Beastly Boy Apr 30 #28

That's a great way of putting it. ecstatic Apr 30 #63

I am simplifying stuff for brevity. It's a whole spectrum of perceptions and sensitivities. Beastly Boy Apr 30 #92

You're first problem is claiming there are 5 senses. Cuthbert Allgood May 1 #157

The first step in the scientific metod is observation that can be measured. Beastly Boy May 1 #166

"There are no ghosts" is the null hypothesis. Cuthbert Allgood May 2 #167

I've seen Neil deGrasse Tyson go on BaronChocula Apr 30 #29

I've been searching for evidence that Einstein ever claimed anything about ghosts. I can't find it. Silent3 Apr 30 #33

Tooooootally possible BaronChocula Apr 30 #35

Might be the spooky action at a distance theory, misconstrued. shrike3 Apr 30 #93

Hawking seemed to be a "when it's over, it's over" kind of guy. shrike3 Apr 30 #141

I don't think we will ever be able to answer this question in a scientific basis. At least in the near term. Xolodno Apr 30 #31

Many paranormal events can be readily explained - for example, infrasound dalton99a Apr 30 #36

There are also criticisms to what you posted, to be fair. Xolodno Apr 30 #38

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence misanthrope Apr 30 #32

I've had an unexplained experience Elessar Zappa Apr 30 #37

They must not believe in me. multigraincracker Apr 30 #41

There's belief, and then there's experience BoRaGard Apr 30 #44

A few years ago we woke up in the middle of the night because the bedroom light turned on by itself. betsuni Apr 30 #45

No. But sometimes our minds trick us. raccoon Apr 30 #46

In one word LeonidPlanck Apr 30 #47

Okay LeonidPlanck Apr 30 #48

What if one sees people one doesn't know? shrike3 Apr 30 #136

That, my friend, LeonidPlanck May 2 #176

IOW, you don't know. shrike3 May 2 #178

It's pretty well understood. LeonidPlanck May 4 #179

It's all conjecture. Maybe this, maybe that. shrike3 May 4 #181

That's exactly the opposite of what I said LeonidPlanck Wednesday #188

Lots of words to speculate, which is all anyone did on thisthread. shrike3 19 hrs ago #189

LOL. I'd suggest you put your big boy pants on if you're going to hang around here. shrike3 19 hrs ago #190

Maybe we got off on the wrong foot LeonidPlanck 18 hrs ago #191

No need to be negative? LOL. shrike3 18 hrs ago #192

I'm not actually new here LeonidPlanck 18 hrs ago #193

I'm not the one who wrote lots of words without saying much of anything at all. shrike3 17 hrs ago #194

Eesh... LeonidPlanck 16 hrs ago #195

Darlin', if you think I'm the town troll you have not been here long. shrike3 16 hrs ago #196

I've read "Where Bigfoot Walks"! Bought it at a Pike Place Market shop during a visit back to Seattle. betsuni May 4 #180

That's a great place to buy Bob's LeonidPlanck Wednesday #187

Put me in the 18 percent category. MOMFUDSKI Apr 30 #50

How do you know it was a ghost? Happy Hoosier Apr 30 #52

Guy who owned the house died at 100. MOMFUDSKI Apr 30 #56

Sure. But again, how do you know it was a ghost? Happy Hoosier Apr 30 #59

Son's FIL was in the basement few weeks after MOMFUDSKI Apr 30 #60

Again, NONE of that establishes a spirit. Happy Hoosier Apr 30 #61

If I could take you with me in a time MOMFUDSKI Apr 30 #73

It's your experience. Others may dispute it, but it is your experience. shrike3 Apr 30 #140

If by ghosts, you mean spirits, then no. Happy Hoosier Apr 30 #54

No. Nt. Voltaire2 Apr 30 #55

If ghosts aren't real, what the hell is my dog always freaking out about? He sees them everywhere. Midnight Writer Apr 30 #57

My son's cat, at 2 am, ran into the bathroom MOMFUDSKI Apr 30 #75

No, that's your interpretation of your dog's behaviour NanaCat Apr 30 #127

I've seen ghosts before. Oneironaut Apr 30 #64

No. Unicorns, Easter Bunny, Great Pumpkin, Hades, Santa, Angels, Devils. Just, no. lindysalsagal Apr 30 #65

Your response reminds me of a story. shrike3 Apr 30 #76

When did Einstein Ever Suggest That about ghosts? Beetwasher. Apr 30 #66

They're probably talking about his "spooky action at a distance" theory. shrike3 Apr 30 #78

They're probably misconstruing his Spooky action at a distance theory. shrike3 Apr 30 #102

I don't know what Einstein quote people are referring to; it might be his reference to the death of Michele Besso. Jim__ Apr 30 #122

That doesn't mean ghosts at all tho Beetwasher. Apr 30 #143

I believe ghosts are real. I have some eperience with this... Demsrule86 Apr 30 #69

I don't think you're nuts. I know someone who had a similar experience. shrike3 Apr 30 #83

Ghosts are not real. Pharlo Apr 30 #70

We live in a physical, natural world. brooklynite Apr 30 #74

thats where I'm at jcgoldie Apr 30 #82

You might enjoy this story. shrike3 Apr 30 #89

Yes. tavernier Apr 30 #80

Please share a story or two. StarryNite Apr 30 #100

So have we n/t shrike3 Apr 30 #116

No. Owl Apr 30 #81

Dead is dead, gone is gone. Ghost, like religion, are an attempt to undo the first sentence. Chainfire Apr 30 #90

This was a great thread! Thanks. MOMFUDSKI Apr 30 #94

Who you gonna call? SocialDemocrat61 Apr 30 #95

Ghosts are imprints H2O Man Apr 30 #96

About 6 years ago I'm at the girlfriends Mothers house sky_masterson Apr 30 #98

There is no evidence for ghosts Johnny2X2X Apr 30 #101

The burden of proof is on the claimant. Ghost stories go back as far in time as we can reach, yet Chainfire Apr 30 #124

Yes kimbutgar Apr 30 #104

"Amos hasn't completely left yet" StarryNite Apr 30 #108

I've had weird enough experiences with patients that I can't explain Docreed2003 Apr 30 #107

"Albert Einstein's suggestion of a scientific basis for the reality of ghosts" - no he didn't suggest any such thing. Voltaire2 Apr 30 #110

. MorbidButterflyTat Apr 30 #112

I've been meaning to post in this tread since this morning - just too busy Mossfern Apr 30 #117

Similar things have happened in our house, and it was built the post-war era. shrike3 Apr 30 #119

Surprised to learn the Catholic Church believes in ghosts. Kingofalldems Apr 30 #120

I'm Catholic and didn't know that either. Thanks. shrike3 Apr 30 #138

No NanaCat Apr 30 #126

This is my ghost story. I have a lot more, but not enough room. Lunabell Apr 30 #131

I would just love to run into a ghost. anamnua Apr 30 #132

This is a fun thread. Thanks, Bayard. shrike3 Apr 30 #137

Most people would tend to ridicule the idea of ghosts anamnua Apr 30 #142

I will check out the book Bayard May 1 #145

My own theory on "haunted houses." Oneironaut May 2 #170

When I lived in Calif, Bayard May 1 #146

I already told you all about my 'mouse ghost'---- DemocraticPatriot May 1 #147

It all depends on what you consider to be a ghost... Hugin May 1 #153

I don't know about sentient Bayard May 2 #168

There's much we don't know. Hugin May 2 #169

I'm pretty sure I've got cat ghosts. Ocelot II May 1 #155

I feel like I have them, too. shrike3 May 1 #164

I've had a few unexplainable experiences Calculating May 1 #158

No VGNonly May 1 #159

If ghosts were real, white capitalists would be dead. Duncan Grant May 1 #161

Why would they be dead? shrike3 May 1 #165

The ONLY thing I give a slight chance to being supernatural, is that we live in a simulation Quixote1818 May 2 #173

Only to people who think they are. Ping Tung May 2 #174

Oliver Cromwell appeared to me in my hotel room this morning to address this question. DFW May 2 #175

I know quite a few people who've experienced ghostly events. shrike3 May 6 #184

I won't say yes or no. BUT i will say bluestarone May 2 #177

Black swans etc anamnua May 6 #182

Thank you for this well-said and informative post Bayard May 6 #185

Much obliged. anamnua May 6 #186

What amazes me is the number of Christians who misunderstand their own faith's teachings about death and the afterlife markpkessinger May 6 #183