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Happy Hoosier

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74. I'd argue it's not really the content of the speech that's at issue here...

Wed May 8, 2024, 12:55 PM

May 8

... it's whether the exercise of the right becomes disruptive enough that's interfering with the rights of others. Occupying public spaces, causing disruptions, making others feel unsafe are all legitimate reasons to restrict speech in some cases.

And some speech has been classified as threatening enough to NOT be protected by the FA.

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MIT suspends student protesters [View all] BlueWaveNeverEnd May 8 OP

san diego, students block cop bus BlueWaveNeverEnd May 8 #1

How many other institutions of higher learning are planning to suspend the First Amendment elleng May 8 #2

private school. private property. AZLD4Candidate May 8 #3

Gotcha, however elleng May 8 #4

your rights end at the property line. AZLD4Candidate May 8 #5

Would you have told these people that? Celerity May 8 #10

If they came on to my property and I didn't agree with them yes. I tell trumpers all the time I don't want their AZLD4Candidate May 8 #14

It's disgusting how the civil rights movement is compared to these whiny privileged kids with no real skin in the game. BannonsLiver May 8 #46

I thought it was a terrible comparison too, but when you defend the indefenisble, you need to stretch logic to its AZLD4Candidate May 8 #51

"these people". What an utterly distorted reach. Nixie May 8 #19

"Those people" weren't whining about getting "humanitarian aid" airdropped from the school cafeteria tritsofme May 8 #22

it is not hard to see my point Celerity May 8 #27

It's like comparing J6ers to Civil Rights marchers, a comparison that makes no sense and is blatantly offensive. tritsofme May 8 #35

I was specifically addressing the 'it is private property so their rights are forfeit' argument. Celerity May 8 #39

... LexVegas May 8 #41

there is nothing humorous about it nt Celerity May 8 #42

... AnrothElf May 8 #48

snarky (tag-teaming off the previous poster's use) emojis as the entire body of reply are such a profound rebuttal Celerity May 8 #75

There's no point in engaging with bad faith interlocutors. This is pure unvarnished pointing and laughing. AnrothElf May 8 #78

you accusing me of being a bad faith poster here is risible, with or without my own use of an emoji for emphasis of that Celerity May 8 #80

What can I say? You might take yourself seriously, but the rest of us are not similarly obliged. AnrothElf May 8 #83

'the rest of us'? Wow, I did not know I was dealing with THE poster of record, the voice for all DUers. Should I curtsy? Celerity May 8 #90

Just letting you know that nobody is obliged to take you seriously. Nobody at all. So yes... AnrothElf May 8 #101

that 'not taking me seriously' and offering nothing but a snarky emoji in terms of any response tells the true tale Celerity May 8 #102

Ridicule is a time-honored way of dealing with people who are impossible to take seriously. AnrothElf May 8 #103

all you have in the tank is personal attacks, sad Celerity May 8 #104

... AnrothElf May 8 #105

and back to the emojis, I am left in awe of your rhetorical toolkit Celerity May 8 #107

Thanks! I really appreciate your awe! Now I'll let you have the last word... AnrothElf May 8 #111

This message was self-deleted by its author Celerity May 8 #106

No one has the fucking right to assault anyone regardless of trespassing or private property. SoFlaBro May 9 #118

Complete non sequitur. I said nothing about assault. That is your invention. Celerity May 9 #119

What do you think dumping chemicals on someone's head and pulling them off of a stool is defined as? SoFlaBro May 9 #120

that is not what I was discussing in this thread, and you know it Celerity May 9 #122

Righhhhht BannonsLiver May 8 #49

How long do you think it would take me to find the same shit said Cuthbert Allgood May 8 #63

Who cares how long it would take BannonsLiver May 8 #66

Older people have been "those damn kids"ing things for centuries Cuthbert Allgood May 8 #69

They are privileged. BannonsLiver May 8 #71

You know them all? Cuthbert Allgood May 8 #76

Going to college is a privilege BannonsLiver May 8 #86

It's a business transaction. Cuthbert Allgood May 8 #87

So you don't think going to college is a privilege? BannonsLiver May 8 #96

No, I don't. Cuthbert Allgood May 8 #97

What on earth makes you think I would give a damn about any of that? BannonsLiver May 8 #85

and out comes the broad brush, tossing all of the protesters into the same basket of denigration, framing each and every Celerity May 8 #82

Where's the lie? BannonsLiver May 8 #88

You are the one who made the expansive, potentially universalised, broad brush claim. Prove it. Celerity May 8 #92

Apparently whiny privileged private college students are a protected class now? AZSkiffyGeek May 8 #89

You must not be too familiar with the backgrounds of many of the students at American universities, including MIT. Celerity May 8 #93

Almost as good as harassing Jews, kidnapping maintenance workers and trashing buildings AZSkiffyGeek May 8 #95

Valid point and accurate comparison re: private property. Cuthbert Allgood May 8 #64

"These people" understood civil disobedience Sympthsical May 8 #25

broad brush lumping of all protesters in 1 basket of negativity, thus stigmatising all protest against Israel's actions Celerity May 8 #28

They stigmatize themselves Sympthsical May 8 #29

again you paint with a broad brush nt Celerity May 8 #30

They'll have their day in court if arrested. jimfields33 May 8 #32

You are the one lumping all protestors in 1 basket, but you make the shallow and false analogy that Nixie May 8 #53

Especially if the things the protestors are doing Prof. Toru Tanaka May 8 #31

Exactly. AZLD4Candidate May 8 #38

Not really Zeitghost May 8 #52

"Congress shall make no law. . ." Private universities, property owners, DU, a grocery store, or your boss AZLD4Candidate May 8 #55

It's a private institution. And the 1A doesn't give protesters the right to threaten students, faculty, or * Oopsie Daisy May 8 #6

Almost all of the protests were peaceful encampments. Voltaire2 May 8 #8

On private property? or off? Oopsie Daisy May 8 #9

Colleges and universities should support free speech. Voltaire2 May 8 #11

Are you suggesting that they do not support "free speech"? Oopsie Daisy May 8 #13

The encampments were almost entirely peaceful. Voltaire2 May 8 #16

It looks like the hate speech and pro-terrorists and their increasing Nixie May 8 #21

Almost. And private property that's "open to the public" does not mean that the owners give up any rights * Oopsie Daisy May 8 #43

Sure, back to my original point, that colleges and universities ought to promote free speech not suppress it. Voltaire2 May 8 #44

Sorry, you're talking in circles. Back to MY original point... 1A doesn't trump all other rights. Oopsie Daisy May 8 #56

Without limit? Happy Hoosier May 8 #15

Opposition to genocide is not antisemitism. Voltaire2 May 8 #18

Predictably, you didn't answer... Happy Hoosier May 8 #20

I wouldn't waste your time. tritsofme May 8 #23

In agreement with TritsofMe JustAnotherGen May 8 #34

The proud boys most certainly have the right to express their shitty opinions in public. Voltaire2 May 8 #45

Would you support the the PB having encampments on campuses? Happy Hoosier May 8 #72

Sure. Voltaire2 May 8 #94

The ACLU would defend them. Cuthbert Allgood May 8 #61

National Socialist Party of America v. Village of Skokie Cuthbert Allgood May 8 #60

Skokie was not private property. Demsrule86 May 8 #65

Yeah, except that isn't the point being made that I responded to. Cuthbert Allgood May 8 #68

I'd argue it's not really the content of the speech that's at issue here... Happy Hoosier May 8 #74

You were arguing content in post 15. Cuthbert Allgood May 8 #77

Thanks for waiting... Happy Hoosier May 8 #81

And if the University rules don't allow unauthorized encampements? Happy Hoosier May 8 #17

The ones that weren't were either arrested or expelled jimfields33 May 8 #33

It was anti-semitic...there are video's and testimony of Jewish kids being refused enterance in college libraries. Demsrule86 May 8 #59

Columbia suspended protesters in 1968. But they are not being suspended for protesting. LeftInTX May 8 #7

I wonder what the Baby Boomers of 1968 Cuthbert Allgood May 8 #62

Again, who cares. BannonsLiver May 8 #70

I'm a baby boomer myself LeftInTX May 8 #73

I don't agree. You can say what you want. But that doesn't mean there won't be consequences. MIT is a private universty. Demsrule86 May 8 #58

This is the "find out" phase. Oopsie Daisy May 8 #109

Tell me you don't grasp what 'free speech' is Ontheboundry May 8 #79

Do you have an understanding of the 1st Amendment & how it applies & doesnt apply? oldsoftie May 8 #84

Yes, I am an attorney, and as I said in response, the principle is the same: elleng May 8 #91

They're breaking several rules & disobeying the decree by the University to NOT occupy the quad oldsoftie May 9 #113

Threatening, and not allowing students in, of a certain persuasion, yagotme May 9 #114

Good. nt LexVegas May 8 #12

1A isn't a Mountainguy May 8 #24

Especially when they have never cared about the First Amendment until now Sympthsical May 8 #26

Good point JustAnotherGen May 8 #37

I've said it non-stop about the First Amendment principles Sympthsical May 8 #40

getting booed off a stage is an expression of free speech. Voltaire2 May 8 #47

Do hecklers get a veto on speech they dislike? tritsofme May 8 #99

No, they get to heckle. Voltaire2 May 8 #100

How about chase the speaker down a hall, and trap them in a room for a while? yagotme May 9 #115

No. Voltaire2 May 9 #117

I've seen a standup comic bomb. MineralMan May 9 #116

Berkeley cancelled the Milo Yiannolpoulos event due to safety concerns. LeftInTX May 9 #121

"Shut up!" LuvLoogie May 8 #36

Looks like these over privileged anti semites found a bit of FAFO BannonsLiver May 8 #50

Agreed JustAnotherGen May 8 #54

Like the action being taken by MIT republianmushroom May 8 #57

Oh that's going to piss off the parents who paid humongous amounts of tuition FakeNoose May 8 #67

80 Grand A Year... ProfessorGAC May 8 #112

Forgive my student loans while I'm protesting...And don't forget to deliver me food while you're at it! PeaceWave May 8 #98

You make an excellent point!! And * Oopsie Daisy May 8 #108

I don't see that campuses have any other choice. lindysalsagal May 8 #110