THREE 48TH BCT SOLDIERS DIE IN VEHICLE ACCIDENT (2124, 2125, 2126)

[alcibiades_mystery]

http://www.centcom.mil/CENTCOMNews/Casualty_Report.asp?CasualtyReport=20051206.txt

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE


THREE 48TH BCT SOLDIERS DIE IN VEHICLE ACCIDENT

LSA ANACONDA, BALAD, Iraq – Three 48th Brigade Combat Team Soldiers were killed in a vehicular accident southeast of Ali Air Base at about 3:00 p.m. on December 2nd. The incident is currently under investigation. The names of the Soldiers are being withheld pending next of kin notification.

FOR MORE INFORMATION, CONTACT THE 3RD SUPPORT COMMAND, LOGISTICS SUPPORT AREA ANACONDA PUBLIC AFFAIRS OFFICE. MAJ CURTIS CARNEY [e-mail].

[Hyernel]

1. A dark day

[Charlie Brown]

2. What is with all these "accidents"

Either our equipment is jinxed or there are a lot of incompetent mechanics in the Army.

[catmandu57]

3. Many accidents happen

when the troops are under attack and trying to get away.

[Charlie Brown]

5. but this was a "vehicular accident"

there is no mention of combat in the release.

These incidents have been happening too frequently to be random.

[kenny blankenship]

7. Exactly, they ran into a RPG

which darted out in the intersection although the light was red, and completely blocked their path.
Somebody's going to get a ticket, you can rely on it!

[Charlie Brown]

9. and the military is lying about this because?

The whole country knows our troops are in combat. The military affirms what a dangerous place Iraq is every day. If this was a grenade attack or and IED, why would centcom claim it was a vehicle accident? If these were special-ops personnel, I could understand the subterfuge, but regular GIs?

What would the military have to gain by lying about this and similar incidents?

[kenny blankenship]

11. Underreporting combat casualties?

I think it should explain itself. If you can move some numbers from the KIA column into the accidental deaths column it makes the situation in country seem more manageable to the folks back home.

Ten dead in one hellish explosion is enough for one 24hr. newscycle. More than enough to be an embarrassment from the brass' point of view. Adding 3 KIAs to that (during what's alleged to be a peaceful occupation) is verging on a debacle.

[cliss]

21. True. It's a reporting tool.

Lest we forget: if any U.S. troops are injured and are taken to the hospital in Germany and they die there, THEY ARE NOT COUNTED AS A CASUALTY.

It scares me to think about how many U.S. troops have died in Germany, which should be included in the tally.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

23. Add to that the number of the badly wounded that are sent back to the...

...military hospital system in the U. S. and eventually die. How are they counted, if at all?

[Skittles]

25. not sure this is true

I remember the 2000th death was a soldier injured in Iraq who died days later in a hospital in Texas

[Crunchy Frog]

27. NOT TRUE.

Please check out this site: http://icasualties.org/oif/

They have a list of all soldiers that have died in hospitals outside Iraq of injuries or illnesses sustained in theater: http://icasualties.org/oif/Dow.aspx They have about 30 soldiers listed as having died in Germany, and many more who have died in the U.S.

[Breeze54]

30. If the soldiers die outside Iraq

they ARE counted!!!

The following is a list of U.S. Fatalities who have died
in hospitals in Germany and The United States.
Some have claimed that The Department of Defense does not
report these deaths, they are obviously mistaken.
Note: these deaths are included in our overall totals.

http://icasualties.org/oif/Dow.aspx

11/24/05......Christensen, Ryan D.
Non-hostile - illness USA
11/18/05......Gaunky, Anthony Alexander "Alex"
Hostile - vehicle accident Germany
11/08/05......Cashe, Alwyn C. "Al"
Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack USA
11/04/05......Boatman, Darrell W.
Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack Germany
11/03/05......Howe, Darren D.
Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack USA
10/31/05......Kading, Matthew R.
Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack USA
10/26/05......Parker, Evan S.
Hostile - hostile fire - grenade Germany
10/25/05......Robertson, Michael T.
Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack USA
10/22/05......Alexander Jr., George T.
Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack USA
10/12/05......Hunt Jr., Kenneth E.
Hostile - hostile fire - mine (anti-tank)USA
10/10/05......James II, Leon G.
Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack USA
10/03/05......Pankey Jr., Larry Wayne
Non-hostile - illness USA


04/24/03......Jenkins, Troy David
Hostile - hostile fire - bomb Germany

ETC, ETC, ETC....................

BTW...My son "WAS" attached to the 48th BCT until last month.
THIS SUCKS!!!
He is home on leave (15 days) now...
Flew in just yesterday!
THANK GOD!!

[Media_Lies_Daily]

22. But they keep telling us that we're making progress in Iraq....

...I guess that depends on how one defines the word "progress".

[butterfly77]

32. The administration holds back...

until they can get out a certain story on that day or they wait until late in the day so that the news will be about what they want concerning them. Not saying that this works.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

20. Why do they keep claiming that helicopters are crashing in Iraq....

...when we all know that the insurgency has some ground-to-air capability, probably in the form of light, shoulder-fired guided missiles?

[theHandpuppet]

4. It is indeed strange

Why the high rate of deaths in these so-called "vehicular accidents"? I don't get it.

[HereSince1628]

6. Because the US gov't can make it look like something ordinary?

I saw a little red van laying on it's back about an hour ago. These things happen everywhere, even here in Milwaukeee. So obviously a vehicular accident isn't really a problem of the war.

[Larry in KC]

8. It is if it's caused by fear of attack...

...either actually being shot at and taking evasive action, or just having to drive insanely fast and swerve in an attempt to avoid being targeted.

[HereSince1628]

14. Um, yes I know that. I've been there and done that.

My point is that the DoD can obfuscate by claiming its a vehicular accident.

[Breeze54]

31. yeah and the roads

aren't all paved either and there are ditches and canals and
some vehicles are over loaded with shipments and they are driving
at night and there aren't any street lights, are there?
I mean out in the villages.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0303/08/cst.09.html
Snip-->
SAN MIGUEL: And finally,
we just showed briefly a map of some of the known roads in Iraq.
You know, we're not talking about paved roads for a lot of these situations.
They're going to have to be going kind of --
I don't want to be flip about it,
but four-wheeling in some of these situations.

GRANGE: Yes, tough -- the roads are -- though there are paved, obviously, paved roads,
some roads may not be accessible, maybe bridges are blown up,
and they have to go around on the desert track
to get to an objective. And again,
careful study of the terrain on where you can move
the fighting vehicles and support vehicles.
And the support vehicles, of course,
have a tougher go at it in rougher terrain.<--Snip

http://childrensvoiceiraqkids.blogspot.com/2005/10/forgotten-nation.html
Snip-->
Winter is big problem with unpaved roads
almost no move in these villages ,
if any kid gets sick they have to wait or takes
long time to get him to nearst clinic.
Many villages are poor for running water ,
they drink unpure water .
Some villages has no elecricity lines so they
have no elecricity equipment .
Some villages has no school kids over there
know nothing about education .
Most of Yezidi people are farmers after despairing
from Iraqi consecutive governments...<--Snip

***************************************
My son told me that it finally rained
about two weeks ago in Iraq near Baghdad
and they were happy because they thought
it would cool it off.
BUT?
It only created thick, deep mud...according to my son.
He said it was just thick, sucking mud everywhere.
I'd guess some trucks slip in the mud and turn over or crash too?

Iraq Terrain
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/iraq/terrain.htm

Tigris-Euphrates Plain
Poor cross-country mobility due to numerous streams and canals
which will affect large scale operations.
Marshy areas will be inaccessible to most tracked vehicles.
Existing road system offers mobility on an axis parallelling
the rivers, but area for maneuver is limited.
Good on existing roads; poor otherwise.
Area suitable for riverline operations.

More at Link......

[NickB79]

15. When there is a potential sniper in every building, you drive fast

And you drive aggressively. Mercenaries and US patrols routinely drive at breakneck speeds through busy streets because a moving target is harder to hit with an RPG, IED or car bomb. It's no wonder that sometimes they flip and roll, swerve into ditches and rivers, or hit civilian vehicles. Even the best equipment can't prevent a multi-ton Humvee from flipping when it tries to make a hard right at 60 mph.

[0007]

10. Is this number fourteen for the day?

[leftchick]

12. THREE 48TH BCT SOLDIERS DIE IN VEHICLE ACCIDENT (#2126)

December 2, 2005
Release Number: 05-12-06C


FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE


THREE 48TH BCT SOLDIERS DIE IN VEHICLE ACCIDENT

LSA ANACONDA, BALAD, Iraq – Three 48th Brigade Combat Team Soldiers were killed in a vehicular accident southeast of Ali Air Base at about 3:00 p.m. on December 2nd. The incident is currently under investigation. The names of the Soldiers are being withheld pending next of kin notification.


http://www.centcom.mil/CENTCOMNews/Casualty_Report.asp?CasualtyReport=20051206.txt

[WhiteTara]

13. RIP Soldiers and Rot in Hell George Bush

I hate him and I will only be happy when he is frog marched off to the Hague.
:cry:

[MasonJar]

16. Is this in addition to the 10 Marines killed and the 11 wounded,

some which will probably die too? Weren't four killed yesterday?

[Media_Lies_Daily]

19. Yes. The latest three are U. S. Army.

[erpowers]

17. When it Rains it Pours

The bad news is just coming in today. This is just sad.

[tabasco]

18. Guardsmen from the Georgia National Guard.

Far away from home.

Why?

[seemslikeadream]

24. Remember that contract you signed georgie?

"It is my responsibility to locate and be assigned to another Reserve forces unit or mobilization augmentation position. If I fail to do so, I am subject to involuntary order to active duty for up to 24 months... "

Email bomb CNN et. al. demanding his immediate recall to active duty, duty station, Iraq.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=584&e=3...


This is my friend, georgie. Her son is dead, georgie. She will never see him again georgie.

Mother Of Dead National Guardsman Calls George W. Bush A Murderer

CHICAGO -- The mother of an Illinois National Guard pilot killed in Iraq says she holds Dictator George W. Bush personally responsible for the death of her son.

Rosemarie Dietz Slavenas (pictured, left) blamed Bush and said her son died because the United States lacks civilized foreign policy.

"My son was not a soldier," Slavenas said. "He was my son. George Bush killed my son. I request in Brian's name a stop to the killing. No more preemptive wars."

[Botany]

26. Blessings and prayers on their souls family & friends

THREE 48TH BCT SOLDIERS :patriot:

The Big Muddy
( Words & Music : Pete Seeger )

It was back in nineteen forty-two,
I was part of a good platoon.
We were on manoeuvers in Louisiana,
One night by the light of the moon.
The captain said, "We've got to ford the river",
That's where it all began.
We were knee deep in the Big Muddy,
And the damn fool kept yelling to push on.

The Sergeant said, "Sir, are you sure,
This is the way back to the base?"
"Sergeant, I once crossed this river
Not a mile above this place.
It'll be a little soggy but we'll keep slogging.
We'll soon be on dry ground."
We were waist deep in the Big Muddy
And the damn fool kept yelling to push on.

"Captain, sir, with all this gear
No man'll be able to swim."
"Sergeant, don't be a Nervous Nellie,"
The Captain said to him.
"All we need is a little determination;
Follow me, I'll lead on."
We were neck deep in the Big Muddy
And the damn fool kept yelling to push on.

All of a sudden, the moon clouded over,
All we heard was a gurgling cry.
A second later, the captain's helmet
Was all that floated by.
The Sergeant said, "Turn around men!
I'm in charge from now on."
And we just made it out of the Big Muddy
With the captain dead and gone.

We stripped and dived and found his body
Stuck in the old quicksand.
I guess he didn't know that the water was deeper
Than the place where he'd once been.
For another stream had joined the Muddy
A half mile from where we'd gone.
We were lucky to get out of the Big Muddy
When the damn fool kept yelling to push on.

Well, you might not want to draw conclusions
I'll leave that to yourself
Maybe you're still walking, maybe you're still talking
Maybe you've still got your health.
But every time I hear the news
That old feeling comes back on;
We're waist deep in the Big Muddy
And the damn fools kept yelling to push on.

Knee deep in the Big Muddy
And the damn fools keep yelling to push on
Waist deep in the Big Muddy
And the damn fools keep yelling to push on
Waist deep! Neck deep! we'll be drowning before too long
We're neck deep in the Big Muddy
And the damn fools keep yelling to push on

TRO © 1967 Melody Trails, Inc. New York, NY

[skinner_7]

28. so...

there were 13 killed yesterday? So sad....

[BenDavid]

29. bush knew!

Bush knew that 11 soldiers were killed in Iraq before he went into the rose garden to give some good news on the economy Friday morning. As you will recall he did not mention it. 26 minutes later after his speech the news broke to the press. McCellan said bush knew before he gave the speech....