6 dead in Seal Beach hair salon shooting

[panAmerican]

Source: CBS2 News

SEAL BEACH, Calif. (KABC) -- Police in Seal Beach confirm 6 people have been killed in a shooting inside a hair salon on Wednesday afternoon.


Authorities responded to the 500 block of Pacific Coast Highway. Three people have been hospitalized in critical condition.

A suspect, believed to be the sole shooter, has been taken into custody.



Read more: http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/local/orange_county&id=8389385

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9 people shot in a Seal Beach, CA hair salon; 6 confirmed dead. My prayers for those are irreprably hurt...

[TheCowsCameHome]

1. Here we go again.........

When will this insane crap ever end?

[Tesha]

23. It never will (end) until this country decides that nuts don't have a right to own...

...body armor and many, many guns. Far too many
Americans are armed, dangerous, and on the loose
among us.

Tesha

[Ter]

72. It's CA, the gun was already illegal

Didn't stop this guy, criminals break the law.

[Tesha]

73. I didn't say anything about new laws.

In this case, perhaps local authorities should prioritize
more of their efforts towards finding law-breakers such
as this nut and perhaps less of their efforts on victimless
crimes.

But thanks for attempting to inject an NRA talking point!

Tesha

[Ter]

78. It's not an NRA talking point

It's the Constitution's talking point. How do you stop a nut from buying a gun in the street? Black market crooks aren't gonna give him a background check. If he has the cash, he gets the gun.

[Tesha]

79. Of course it's an NRA talking point.

If there weren't guns for sale illegally on the
streets, there'd be no guns for nuts to illegally
buy on the streets.

So lets arrest and imprison the gun traffickers.

And let's arrest and imprison gun owners who don't
keep their legal arsenals properly secured against
theft (as the law requires in many jurisdictions).

This idea that we all have to live with gun violence
so gun owners can possess their arsenals is purely
a convenient NRA (etc.) fiction.

Tesha

[SharonAnn]

27. A man decided he had to kill women to prove his status, his "ownership"?

My husband used to say "boy teenagers should be eliminated from little". OK, English wasn't his first language. What he meant was "kill them while they're young."

I's like to see a story like "Woman kills 6 in Barber Shop."

Then I'd know things were equal.

What is this about boys and men with guns needing to kill others, especially women?

[rayofreason]

29. Good thing it didn't apply to him. n/t

[bigmonkey]

37. It's unusual, but it happens.

A woman killed her supervisor and wounded two others in 1991 in a Vermont factory:

http://www.nytimes.com/1991/10/27/us/worker-accused-in-shooting-is-caught-near-border.html

[slackmaster]

81. That's different. They drove her to it.

:sarcasm:

[dmallind]

76. Much better to drown your kids in the car eh? What is it about women and girls? nt

[AndyTiedye]

2. Seems Like a Lot of People are "Losin' It"

As if going out and shooting a bunch of random people dead would actually solve anything. :grr:

[Name removed]

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[Plucketeer]

3. Sure glad

it wasn't the fault of some gun. As we all know, guns don't kill people.

[TheWraith]

7. Unless the gun got up and went on a rampage on it's own...

...I would assign fault to the human who chose to murder six people.

[Bladian]

16. Did that seriously need a sarcasm tag?

You couldn't pick up on the sarcasm in there?

[bongbong]

18. Yes!

As we all know, it is just as easy to kill 6 people with a dull butter knife as with a gun! That's why the US Army uses dull butter knives to arm the troops.

[chervilant]

19. Oh,

the irony...

[Plucketeer]

31. Imagine the carnage

if the killer had had a bow and arrows! :scared:

[Doctor_J]

80. Would you rather he'd gone on a baseball bat rampage?

just wanted to get that NRA talking point out there

[nadinbrzezinski]

4. I want motive

[Nostradammit]

5. Middle-aged white male going through a divorce.

That would be my guess.

[TheWraith]

8. Or a disgruntled former employee.

I would think a divorce-prompted breakdown would probably just result in the guy trying to kill his wife.

[slackmaster]

9. Or a gang hit, ETA sounds like a lone nut job

Definitely not a NICE motive in any case.

[Downwinder]

11. Mesa Arizona in 1966 it was a teen trying to make a name.

http://articles.nydailynews.com/2007-12-09/news/29432412_1_smith-assassination-benny

[Name removed]

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[slackmaster]

39. You are correct. He's also a victim of a life-changing gruesome boating accident.

http://belmontshore.patch.com/articles/profile-emerges-of-suspected-salon-killer

[Nostradammit]

42. That's the most bizarre hagiography I've ever read.

"“I can’t make sense out of any of this,” said Malchow. “I still think he is a nice guy, but just when you think you know someone, this happens.”


STILL THINK HE'S A NICE GUY?!!!

Is this the official release from the Tea Party?

[slackmaster]

47. It looks to me like the man might be suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD)

I'm not qualified to diagnose it, of course. I'm just offering an opinion.

[Nostradammit]

48. Oh, well then, it's perfectly understandable that he'd murder 8 people.

Including his wife, with whom he'd just lost a custody battle.

I see why you're the "slack master" now.

[slackmaster]

53. Nostradammit, I see no good coming from you trying to turn this into a personal issue about me

I reject your personal attack. It was a nice gesture, but you can keep it to yourself.

[Nostradammit]

55. Perhaps you're right - it seemed to me you were trying to defend the indefensible.

[slackmaster]

59. What, exactly, did you hallucinate me as defending?

:crazy:

[Nostradammit]

60. First you tried to insinuate that it was a gang hit (scary black people, right?)

Then you brought up the boating incident, as if that were somehow a reason for his behavior
and then you said he probably had PTSD, which may be the case, but it's 5 years down the road
and the murder of his ex-wife and 7 innocent bystanders seems wholly unrelated to the boating
incident. So I didn't "hallucinate" anything, those were your actual comments.

[slackmaster]

61. One of us associated gangs with black people in this thread...

...and it wasn't me.

Gangs in Southern California come in all colors, FYI.

Then you brought up the boating incident, as if that were somehow a reason for his behavior...

It may very well be a factor. You ought to read up on what PTSD is and how it affects people.

...but it's 5 years down the road...

PTSD can affect people for the rest of their lives. Read up on it.

[Nostradammit]

62. Is PTSD a defense for the murder of his ex-wife and 7 innocent bystanders?

As the son of a combat veteran I know all about PTSD and still don't think
it in any way excuses this man's vile behavior.

But I expect you to keep defending him.

[PavePusher]

63. Defense, no.

Explaination, possibly.

I see no-one defending the criminal here.

[slackmaster]

64. You seem convinced that his behavior has everything to do with politics, nothing with his health

All you know about his politics is extrapolated from a photo of a license plate frame.

That kind of twisted reasoning is why so many people regard DU as a laughingstock. To me it's just pitiful.

But I expect you to keep defending him.

I believe I've given enough information here to qualify that accusation as a filthy lie.

He's responsible for his actions, as are we all for our own.

[snooper2]

65. Maybe he's just a fucking asshole?

[slackmaster]

66. That's possible too, but please read the article I linked to in reply #39

HTH

[Nostradammit]

69. I NEVER said his behavior has everything to do with politics!

His politics, I imagine, are a SYMPTOM. Your twisted reasoning would have everyone
who witnessed a ghastly death and then went on to murder their ex-wife and seven
innocent bystanders exonerated.

Fuck that.

Good day, sir.

[slackmaster]

74. You do have quite an imagination.

Your twisted reasoning would have everyone who witnessed a ghastly death and then went on to murder their ex-wife and seven
innocent bystanders exonerated.

That is another filthy lie. Understanding the root causes of a violent act is not the same thing as forgiving it or justifying it.

[JuniperLea]

83. He was a nutjob before the accident...

And he killed three of my friends. Fuck him.

[kestrel91316]

12. Hair extension robbery???

[Daphne08]

6. We go walking on the pier there all the time.

Things like this just don't happen there. No motive given yet.

[slackmaster]

10. It does seem out of character. Seal Beach is a peaceful place.

Mostly retired people, tourists, artsy folk, and students.

[dipsydoodle]

13. Bad hair day ?

:shrug:

[Faygo Kid]

15. Weak in this context.

I bet you debated whether to post.

You made the wrong choice.

[dipsydoodle]

17. You lost your bet

Didn't give it a second thought.

[leftyladyfrommo]

20. People are so crazy anymore it could be something like that.

Someone didn't like their hair.

Wasn't it last week someone showed up at TacoBell with a gun because they forgot to give him sauce?

People are a mess right now. Best not to make anyone angry.

[defendandprotect]

57. Another bad GUN DAY in America -- !!

[panAmerican]

14. "Possibly a custody fight"

From http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/salon-shooting/:

Some witnesses familiar with employees at the salon said the suspect was involved in a domestic dispute -- possibly a custody fight -- with one of the stylists. Police said they could not confirm any relationship between the shooter and the salon. They also did not release his name.

Sgt. Steve Bowles said Salon Meritage, in the 500 block of Pacific Coast Highway, appeared to be very busy at the time of the shooting, which occurred about 1:30 p.m.

[Blue_Tires]

21. oh yeah...I'm sure he'll get full custody after today

:sarcasm:

[EFerrari]

22. People do crazy things when their image of themselves or their lives gets smashed up.

I'm surprised these horrible events don't happen more often. :(

[SoapBox]

24. Oh ya...and remember, guns don't kill people, people kill...no wait...YES, guns DO kill!

Sorry folks...I think this guns every place thing is WAY out of control.

[Dr_Scholl]

32. What?

This happened in California, which has the strictest gun laws in the nation. You can't even legally carry an unloaded gun there.

[onehandle]

25. I hope the gun suppliers are doing well.

Wait... This is 'merica. They are doing Very well.

[-..__...]

26. Didn't take long for an escapee from the Gungeon to show up...

oh wait... never mind.

[TheCowsCameHome]

30. What took you so long?

[Name removed]

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[LanternWaste]

51. Mirrors help sometimes.

It would appear both extremes from your little Gungeon, rather than merely the one implied, justify their positions in these threads, and then further rationalize why their own positions are immutably correct, and every opinion which does not parallel it, are immutably wrong.

Mirrors help sometimes.

[defendandprotect]

58. GOP's/NRA and gun dealers are doing just fine --- !!!!

[flamingdem]

35. There is a photo of his car w/a teaparty license plate!

I saw it but chose not to post it. However you can google it with a term like:

salon shooting teaparty license

[David Sky]

44. WOW, I found a site with a picture of him with his shirt open, as well as..

the Tea Party license plate on his big big big white truck!

Looks like he never missed a meal and hasn't worked out since fifth grade.

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/39284_Suspect_in_Seal_Beach_Shooting-_a_Tea_Party_Supporter

Gun-toting redneck Tea Bagger with baggy nipples.

[TorchTheWitch]

36. 8 dead now - 2 of the injured have since died at the hospital

This is so tragic. No one seems to know anything yet about why the guy did it either, but thank goodness he was caught very quickly afterward.

[mrdmk]

38. Seal Beach, For the longest time a city in Orange County with a Los Angeles Area Code

Probably the first killing there in 25 years, no joke! The place is/was a retirement community with modest homes and some beach kids living, well next to the beach. If Seal Beach is having a mass killing then the whole nation is going to pot...

[raccoon]

40. An update on this,

Six women and two men died.

Police arrested 42-year-old Scott Dekraai about a half-mile from the scene. He did not struggle, police said.

The gunman appeared to have worn body armor and had several guns, police and witnesses said.
Police did not release a motive for the shooting. However, court records and acquaintances said he and his ex-wife, Michelle Fournier Dekraai, of Huntington Beach, who worked at the salon as a licensed cosmetologist,had been locked in a bitter custody battle over their son since he filed for divorce in 2007.

http://news.yahoo.com/8-killed-southern-california-salon-shooting-234451134.html

[Blue_Tires]

50. Why do so many others have to die over some bullshit custody grudge?

[raccoon]

41. I'm usually against the death penalty. But in this case, the SOB was wearing body armor.

I've never believed death penalty was a deterrent but in this case it might be worth a try.

[CountAllVotes]

43. agree

Hang the bastard high! :mad:

:kick:

[Carolina]

52. exactly... no doubt about his guilt!

[David Sky]

45. He inflicted the death penalty on now 8 people, so I understand your

desire.

I just don't happen to agree that we need it, because it won't make a bit of difference to the next person to get so angry over divorce and custody issues. It won't make a bit of a difference.

By the way, he's in a death penalty state that has spent hundreds of millions of dollars keeping the death penalty in place and trying to execute dozens of people. So far, in all these years since the DP reinstatement, only 13 people have been executed.
It's really NOT making a difference.

[Tansy_Gold]

67. ". . . . because it won't make a bit of difference to the next person. . . ."

True, sadly, but true.


TG

[Abin Sur]

71. Why should wearing body armor compound his punishment?

Simply execute him for the murders that he committed. The fact that he was wearing body armor is irrelevant.

[Red1]

46. shooters car

[Blue_Tires]

49. He's a fisherman, too? or did they just photoshop out the plate?

I give 12 hours before some teabag nutbar blogger tries to link this tragedy to Obama

[David Sky]

54. Well, he may have been, he was injured in a boating mishap in 07..and

no, you are seeing the plate in that picture, it's NOT a California license plate, it's a decorative plate. Some cars in Calif only need a REAR plate with actual numbers and letters, the front plate mount can be used for decorative plates like that.

It's the FRAME of that plate that shows the Tea Party theme.

[defendandprotect]

56. Guns do a great deal of damage -- to our entire society!!

[slackmaster]

68. LA Times - Seal Beach shooting: Suspect suffered PTSD from boat injury

The suspect in the Seal Beach salon shooting rampage, Scott Evans Dekraai, 42, suffered from post-traumatic stress disorder as the result of a tugboat accident in 2007, according to court records.

His doctor, Ronald T. Silverstein of Long Beach, made the diagnosis in court documents dated Sept. 30, 2008, that were contained in Dekraai's divorce and custody proceedings....

Lots more at the Los Angeles Times Web site: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2011/10/seal-beach-shooting-suspect-suffered-ptsd-from-boat-injury.html

The comments are very interesting IMO - They show the same kind of confusion that we see in this threat about citing PTSD as a contributing factor in the crime vs. using it as an excuse (which nobody has done AFAIK.)

All anyone has to do is mention the fact that the man has been diagnosed with PTSD, and that person will be automatically accused of "defending" the shooter or using the diagnose to "excuse" the crime.

[Paladin]

70. Yeah, Thank God A Guy LIke This Could Get All The Guns He Wanted. (n/t)

[slackmaster]

75. More information

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2011/oct/14/salon-shooting-suspect-was-angry-over-divorce/

[raccoon]

77. Sounds like Dekraai was batguano crazy. nt

[Doctor_J]

82. He's a teabagger

From the comments:

Front license plate frame on DeKraai vehicle reads:

" Help Save America - www.JoinTheTeaParty.us "