Californians, GET MAD! REVOLT! THROW THE BUSHCONS OUT! Gr-r-r!

[Peace Patriot]

We elected a DEMOCRATIC Governor in California, Gray Davis, and whatever his faults, he was the people's choice. He managed to amass a $9 BILLION budget surplus--some of it earmarked for schools, the poor and pensioners--which BushCon companies--notably Enron--then zeroed in on like bloodthirsty sharks and stole, via energy market manipulations--with the Bush Cartel's blessing (and good chunks of it went right into the Bush/Cheney coup). Davis then tried to get our money back through the Feds, with all the facts on our side...

And somehow we found ourselves with a REPUBLICAN--indeed, a BUSHCON--Governor, Arnold Schwarzenegger--chosen by Time magazine, Larry King, George Schultz and Kenneth Lay--in what was the weirdest, fastest, most railroaded election ever held. The Recall. Remember that? Six weeks to decide if you wanted "The Terminator" or 100 other candidates who had never been in a movie. And nobody in the lapdog press telling you WHO Schwarzenegger met with in Los Angeles, on May 17, 2001*, to plot the looting and Bushification of California. Just his breast feel-ups, that's all we heard about.

We elected a DEMOCRATIC Lieutenant Governor in California, Cruz Bustamante--which, to my mind means that he was judged by the voters to be their desired replacement, should anything happen to the Governor--and truly he lived up to that trust when he sued Enron over their massive theft, also trying to get our money back, the most promising of the actions against Enron...

And somehow...it didn't matter that we had elected a DEMOCRAT to succeed a DEMOCRAT. Time magazine and the Bush Cartel had a another idea.

That Davis. That Bustamante. Weren't they corrupt or something? Davis and his constant campaign fundraising. And Bustamante, getting money from the Indians...

$9,000,000,000 theft!--that Swarzenegger would settle out of court for pennies, after the "Recall."

We elected a DEMOCRATIC Secretary of State in California, to safeguard our elections, because we know that Republicans--BushCons anyway--are not capable of objectivity and good government. Our DEMOCRATIC Secretary of State de-certified and sued the BushCon-run Diebold electronic voting machine company for their lies about the security of their machines--indeed, for the massive failure of their machines during the weird election of Arnold Schwarzenegger--and he provided Californians with a paper ballot option for the 2004 election. Doing his job...

And somehow--by means of mysterious corruption charges that don't seem to amount to a hill of beans, pushed by that crap rag, the San Francisco Chronicle--we are now being deprived of our hard-working, trustworthy, anti-fraud, DEMOCRATIC Secretary of State.

CALIFORNIANS, my fellow and sister Golden Staters, it's time to get off the beach, slide down the ski slopes, windsurf to the shore, hang glide to the highway, exit the freeway, come in from the cotton fields and REVOLT! GET MAD! AND THROW THESE BUSH RATS OVER A COUPLE OF STATE LINES INTO TEXAS WHERE THEY BELONG! (Sorry, Texas!)

...because BushCon elections--the kind that only elect BushCons--are coming to your town soon, to be run by BushCon voting machine companies that don't figure you, Joe and Jane Suntan, have a right to see the programming code they use to count your votes; in fact, you don't have the right to count votes at all. Only they do.

Kevin Shelley was the one who stood up to them, the one who said, "No, we are not going to have BushCon elections in California. Sorry." And now he's gone. They got him!

And after having elected a DEMOCRAT to advocate for us and see to the integrity of our elections, we are now going to get not just a Republican, but a BUSHCON appointee as Secretary of State!

Democrat or Republican, it doesn't matter--if they've sold out to Diebold & Co., as Schwarzenegger sold out to Enron, they are BushCons. Beware!

And with the likes of Wally O'Dell (Diebold voting machine company--chair of the Bush-Cheney campaign in Ohio)--and H. Ahmanson (ES&S -billionaire rightwing nut) "counting" our votes, we aren't going to have a GOLDEN state any more.

The gold, the sunshine, the riches, all our creativity and hard work, all our freedom and prosperity, and our very generosity as a people, will be in their pockets, and in the pockets of their hand-picked political and corporate operatives.

GET RID OF *ELECTRONIC* VOTING MACHINES NOW!

Let's do this thing--being a democracy--at human speed, so that the human eye can see. We were a great country when we had paper ballots and hand counts. We can be a great country again.

And we were a great, progressive, prosperous, generous Golden state before Arnold Schwarzenegger, Kenneth Lay, George Schultz and their ilk--operatives of the Bush Cartel--arrived to loot us blind.

We took care of the Railroad Robber Barons who once plagued California! We can take care of this lot as well!

Vote them them down at every turn! Kick them out! Deny them California! REVOLT! NOW!

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* http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=283&row=0

[BuyingThyme]

1. Thank you.

[Laceration5]

2. Didn't the people of CA

vote out Davis with the recall? They could've voted to keep him.

[Metrix]

6. Maybe they did vote to keep him

Ask Diebold.

[fooj]

8. Exactly my point in post #5! Thanks Metrix! I'm with you on this one!

[rinsd]

29. CA voted him out...

Both polls leading up to and the exit polls showed a recall of Davis and an Ahnold win.

Pre-election polls:

http://news-service.stanford.edu/news/2003/october8/pollthreenew-108.html

http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/09/28/recall.poll/ (this link is weird as the website indicates 2003 but the dateline has it as 2004)

http://www.inq7.net/brk/2003/sep/30/brkafp_1-1.htm

Exit polls:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/graphics/politics_elections/recallexitpoll/flash.htm

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/replacementballotexitpoll.html

All I can say to this is you had a charismatic movie star vs. a very unpopular Governor.

[Vinnie From Indy]

71. You forgot The Talon News Poll!

Many of these polling orgs have been compromised and corrupted.

[Freddie Stubbs]

35. Maybe they didn't vote for him in the first place

Perhaps Davis was placed there because of recall of him would be more plausable than Al Checchi. :shrug:

[andyhappy]

7. I still can't believe it

either the thing was rigged or californians are just as stupid as the rest of this stupid-ass country.

[rinsd]

36. Option B....

Never underestimate the power of celebrity vs. a very unpopular gov, driven by a constant media call.

[Peace Patriot]

12. 6 weeks from start to finish. No primary. Over 100 candidates. And...

...Time magainze puts Schwarz on the cover! On the COVER! And he gets free air time, hours and hours of it, millions and millions of dollars worth of free air time, all over TV. With not one hard questin asked, and with not one forthcoming answer given, on any matter.

That was not an election. That was a wholly manipulated farce. Furthermore, that's when Diebold, et al, first got tested out. Weird anomalies, weird numbers in many places. And wholesale breakdowns. (That's what prompted Shelley to sue Diebold, in fact--along with a lot of work by voting activists.)

In addition, it is literally true that there was a blackout throughout the corporate lapdog media on his connection to Kenneth Lay--and there was no time for grass roots activists to overcome that blackout. Normally, you have years to vet candidates for such a high office. This was UNBELIEVABLY manipulated and sped up--ESPECIALLY with a wholly untested, and unvetted candidate, who was running on his acting reputation!

The whole thing was extremely unusual in every way--much like 2000 and Bush v. Gore. All unprecedented. A railroad.

It was the closest thing to a stolen election you can get, short of outright stuffing the ballot box (and there may well have been some of that as well). Think it through! Is it a fair election--is it even an election--if you give one candidate say $10 million to use however he wants, and tell the other candidate that the rules for him are that he has to sit in a closet every other day, and on his public day, he can only speak to one person at a time?

Stolen elections are not just about fiddling the source code. They are also about having some modicum of fairness. There was none. None!

So, no, I couldn't say that "the people voted Davis out"--no more than I could say that Ohio is a "red state."

[Helga Scow Stern]

27. Ask Conny McCormack--n/t

[tinanator]

58. if you believe that you'll believe this

http://vote2003.ss.ca.gov/Returns/gov/00.htm

and perhaps you will see no conflict with this?

http://vote2003.ss.ca.gov/Returns/prop/00.htm

but of course not.

[SammyBlue]

3. You know, I agree with Greg.

But you Californians got star struck and decided that a fraudulent Austrian Bodybuilder with NO political experience (who can't act worth shit) and a grabbing women's breasts problem governor!

Good job. At least us in Arizona elect a moron, a thief and a puppet in rapid succession (Mecham, Symmington and Hull).

[fooj]

5. Let's not forget the Recall was the "unveiling" of Diebold machines

in our state. Maybe we didn't "elect" him...it's plausible!

[slackmaster]

14. Plausible you say, but is it even mathematically possible?

If you care to see what voting systems were actually in use during the recall election of October 2003 see http://www.ss.ca.gov/elections/sov/2003_special/vs.pdf .

Statewide, 55.4% of the people voted in favor of the recall - http://www.ss.ca.gov/elections/sov/2003_special/recall_question.pdf

Here is how the vote for a replacement Governor went - http://www.ss.ca.gov/elections/sov/2003_special/gov.pdf WARNING - This may give you an instant headache due to the absurd number of candidates. Tom McClintock, the only actual Republican candidate, got 13.5% of the total. Arnold Schwarzenegger, a RINO, got 59.5% If you can explain why the Conspiracy put in the Governator when they had a genuine conservative, please entertain us now.

You now have the information to determine whether the use of Diebold machines in mostly low population counties could possibly have anything to do with the result.

Please don't get me wrong here, I am no defender of Diebold. But this tinfoil hat stuff is getting very old and is not serving us well.

[fooj]

21. How is this tinfoil hat stuff? Didn't we just win a suit against Diebold?

Have you ever seen a recall election proceed at the speed of light like California's did? These are not suppositions! Listen- I had people (my brother, especially)laugh at me when I thought Enron was behind our power problem...

[slackmaster]

22. The recall process took several months

I'm sorry if you got the impression I'm laughing at you.

I think linking the California recall election with the 2004 Presidential election is a bit of a stretch, that's all.

Please carry on!

[rinsd]

37. Speed didn't have much to do with it....

"Have you ever seen a recall election proceed at the speed of light like California's did? "

How may recall elections have we seen?

The gathering of signatures started in March and finished within the deadline where state law demanded an election.

[Helga Scow Stern]

28. LA County may have had a lot to do with the vote...

and we may be making a mistake focusing on Diebold, when in fact the opponent is any unverifiable system....for instance in LA County they have Votamatic punchcard system, but GEMS tabulator.

[slackmaster]

33. LA County is the home of the entertainment industry

Surely that might have something to do with Arnold Schwarzenegger's popularity there. I know several people in the business. Everybody knows Arnold. Some people hate his guts, but many others love him.

We used Votomatic for many years here in San Diego County. At least it leaves a trail of real cards that can be counted manually.

[bardgal]

38. I live in LA CO, and I don't know anyone who voted for Ahnold or recall

[rinsd]

43. That proves very litttle....

...first off you're talking about a small group(even if you are enormously popular).

2nd, I think alot of people are embarrassed to tell people they voted for Ahnold.

Exit polls suggest quite a few Dems voted for the recall.

[Peace Patriot]

50. Embarassed to say they voted for Arnold, embarassed to say they voted...

...for Bush. Sounds like the same B.S. they tried about Kerry winning the exit polls. Read...

http://uscountvotes.org/ucvAnalysis/US/USCountVotes_Re_Mitofsky-Edison.pdf

for starters.

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Like all SoS's, Shelley was too gullible at first, but he was a fast learner, and, after the Recall, decertified and dued Diebold. The Recall election was UNAUDITABLE in many places. But that isn't the half of what they did--selling this stinko election system to the state. In a field of 135 candidates--none vetted by the primary system, most unknown, never held public office--THEY PUT ONE CANDIDATE'S PICTURE ON THE COVER OF TIME MAGAINZE! And gave him hours and hours and hours of free air time on TV! And never asked him about his meeting with Kenneth Lay, nor any hardball question, in the shortest, weirdest most railroaded election in history.

It's possible that Davis was recalled, and the Schwarz got the most votes (still not a majority--as Davis had gotten in the REAL election in '02). Possible. Not proven. And not provable.

[rinsd]

63. All except Ahnold crushed Bustamante in the exit polls....

and the recall was seen as passing by and even greater mragin than it did.

"It's possible that Davis was recalled, and the Schwarz got the most votes "

So exit polls are infalliable for 2004 but dead wrong for the recall election?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/replacementballotexitpoll.html

"(still not a majority--as Davis had gotten in the REAL election in '02).Possible. Not proven. And not provable."

So we can prove that 2004 was stolen by exit poll data but the recall cannot be proven?

This is idiotic. Ahnold won, Davis lost. Was it media manipulation combined with our star struck culture? I would tend to susbcribe to that. Was it a fraud? The evidence says no and screaming so takes aaway from other better supported positions.

[rinsd]

31. Explain both pre-election polls and exit polls...

...being consistent with Davis being recalled and Ahnold winning.

I'm serious. If we're going to heavily rely on exit poll data for OH and other states as a safe check against fraud, we can't ignore it in this case.

And in this case Ahnold won and Davis was recalled. Davis was incredibly unpopular. Now maybe you can make the case that his rep was undeserved but that is what it was. Ahnold came in with flash and dash and yes, the press wasn't very hard on him. Even worse, when the LA Times finally came out with the groping stuff before the recall most people looked at it as a smear job because it was so close to the election and ignored it.

A celebrity beat a very unpopular governor of a state with some major problems.

[zann725]

25. NOOOO. We "Californian's" did NOT vote Arnold in. I know NO ONE who did

Everyone I know liked Davis, AND like Shelly.

Election Fraud and vote manipulation was suspected at the time Arnold was ushered in, and even more now since the 2004 Prez. elections.

Most of us are deeply embarrassed by him, and frightened crapless by several of his proposed initiatives, and Re-Districting.

Do NOT group we "Californian's" all together under some stereotype you have of us (from TV perhaps). California is a BIG state. And L.A. (which normally gets the "shallow" stereotype) is thousands of miles and several hours away from Sacramento where Arnold sits on his Governator throne.

[tinanator]

59. youre right

Ahnolds base is fully automated. Even here in freeperville he had few supporters, the rabid right whackjobs hated him in favor of McClintock. It was the biggest fraud of all time, just look at the results its as obvious as hell.

[fooj]

4. I'm right there with you, Peace Patriot!

There is nothing that those bandits would like better than to take over our state! Hell, they have already started! I knew when this "recall" BS came about, Shrub and Co.'s STENCH was all over it! Many friends (some Repubs, ugh!) laughed...they got a chuckle out of it! Still couldn't convince them that Davis may be a dud, however, he had nothing to do with the energy problem. I told them it was connected to ENRON and the Bastard Boys in DC...they practically had me admitted! I wonder how they FEEL ABOUT ENRON NOW??? Guess I wasn't the crazy one...
Now this with Shelley-OMG! Is everyone wearing blinders, or what? These repub friends, BTW, voted for Kerry! Why is it so hard for people to wrap their minds around this?

[EFerrari]

9. Hell, yes. I'm right beside you. They're trying to mount the

biggest political theft ever.

Not gonna happen, Peace Patriot. I've gotta good set of lungs and am not shy about calling/faxing/emailing ANYBODY.

Beth

[fooj]

10. Woo hoo! Way to go, my friend! They'll never get California! NEVER!

[EFerrari]

13. :) See my thread. We're gonna hafta work. (expletive deleted) n/t

[slackmaster]

15. Never is a VERY long time, fooj

Throughout its history the state of California has been run by Republican governors about the same amount of time it's been run by Democrats.

http://alastair.familydallas.com/governors.html

I don't mean to be a doomsayer, but absolute terms like "never" smack of hubris.

[EFerrari]

17. (smoking the house) It's our time to stand up for the people. n/t

[fooj]

18. Point well taken, slackmaster!

[understandinglife]

11. As Californians become ever more aware of what Enron did to them...

....and the links -- BuSh, Cheney, Enron, "Hands" Arnold -- are made crystal clear, you will drive all those rats into the sea.

I'd think Gray Davis would be rather motivated to kick some ass, given that all the facts about Enron, vindicate that he could have done nothing to stop the "energy crisis."


Peace.

TBO;24/7

[Quakerfriend]

16. So true, understandinglife!!!

Californians have been cheated in the most dispicable way!!

We all need to help them out!

[Peace Patriot]

19. And if you get mad enough, go to this ACTION FORUM:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=203&topic_id=319613#322267

[Peace Patriot]

30. BETTER, *revised* ACTION FORUM:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x321070

The one I posted just above here is the old one.

[ailsagirl]

54. Whew!! Just emailed all California Senators

Thanks for the information!!

[slackmaster]

20. Thank you for using the first of three boxes

The soap box.

Your next step is the ballot box.

If that fails and the system is really broken, go for the ammo box.

[bywho4who]

23. This is what I been

telling people since they stuck that nazi-freak swa-sticanagger in there they found out what Cruz was bout to do. And had to do deception-control:<[br />






:smoke: :hippie:

[zann725]

24. Thank you! That's exactly how I've been feeling too! I liked Davis, and

Shelly. Arnold makes me puke! He's downright scarey, and he's "moving" so quick (like all the other Repugs), it's clear this has been all planned for years now...LONG before Davis & Shelly's recall.

[dandrhesse]

26. follow the money

latest says that Enron caused the rolling blackouts and I would definitely investigate a link between Enron and Edison or any of their subsidiaries. There is proof somewhere of the manufactured energy crisis for which Davis took the fall.

[Peace Patriot]

34. There is proof a-plenty in several lawsuits and investigations.

I don't have the urls handy, but I'm sure it could all be easily found on-line. Washington US Senator Maria Cantwell referred to additional, recently uncovered Enron memos, in her speech last week in the Senate on the Alberto Gonzales nomination. Apparently, Gonzales, in addition to re-instituting torture in the US Army and intelligence communities, and providing legal cover for the major players including Bush but not for the grunts, ALSO represented ENRON in Texas.

It never stops!

Anyway, I read some of the Enron memos on-line--they are enough to chill your soul. I imagine you can find them by just Googling "Enron" and "lawsuit." (Gray Davis initiated an action against Enron at FERC. Cruz Bustamante filed a lawsuit against them. Wash. state apparently has filed a lawsuit, or will be. These items might help in a search.)

Enron deliberately, methodically and quite illegally manipulated the energy market, and Enron & Co. most certainly manufactured blackouts to scare the crap out of state politicians and citizens, in order to drive up profits, and blackmail states into cushy price deals. Their behavior was unconscionable. Buddies of Bush. Buddies of Cheney. Buddies of Schwarzenegger. All conspired to steal our budget surplus, hand it over to Kenneth Lay (and part of thence to the Bush-Cheney campaign), to blame Gray Davis for it, and to prevent us from getting our money back.

We have not had such bad government since the 1920s. And I shudder to think where they are taking us.

[dandrhesse]

45. Does it really matter who is suing if the judges disregard the law?

[Helga Scow Stern]

32. Cheating on the recall.

It seems it would be really easy to cheat in such an election as a recall....just keep diluting Bustamante's vote by adding it to other candidates.

It also seems it would be easy enough to add enough votes on hackable talliers throughout the state--so easy. Plus "votes not cast". There are plenty of ways it could have been stolen....

We'll never know.

It's interesting that they had the usual "tame" monitors there to observe just like on 11/2/04 --OSCE observed and wrote a tame report--plus the new Bush-appointee to the EAC was in LA County with Conny, so any claims of irregularity could easily be dismissed.

And the new head of EAC, Gracia Hillman, was there with Conny on coup night 04, so, again, how dare anyone criticize!

And who is instrumental in dignifying the Shelley character assassination with an "investigation"? The EAC, of course. You know this is a setup, because if they really cared about HAVA except as a tool to discipline those who don't do their bidding, they would be investigating Blackwell.

[rinsd]

65. Explain pre-election and exit polls then....

...we can't scream that exit polls are an indicator of fraud then ignore them when they back up an election.

[Helga Scow Stern]

67. I have not studied the exit polls for the recall.

That would be a good project. Have you any links for who conducted them, etc.?

[rinsd]

68. Mitofsky did 'em.....

Here's a link to the WaPo

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/replacementballotexitpoll.html

Here's the LA Times

http://ssdc.ucsd.edu/ssdc/lat03490.html

Here's a pre-election poll from CNN that is bizarrely dated Feb 24, 2004 at the byline but is obvious from reading that it was taken after the debate.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/09/28/recall.poll/

Here's a Field poll pretty close to the election

http://field.com/fieldpollonline/subscribers/RLS2095.pdf

Ahnold's #'s went up in the last 3 weeks or so before the election. Not surprising given the kids gloves treatment by the press. Even when the LA Times came out with their groping expose it was so close to the election that many people dimissed it on its face(aided of course by the wurlitzer).

Like I've said before, Davis was not a popular gov. His numbers were below 40% when the sig gathering started and were in the 20's by the time all was said and done. Top this off with Davis saying he must triple the car tax in the weeks preceding the recall election and his ass was grass.

[shance]

39. I with you Patriot!!***

Doing what we can here in Studio City!

:hi:

[bardgal]

40. CA counties that were 100% e-vote went for recall, others against....

there used to be maps on the web right after this happened... anyway - where there was e-vote there was recall. where there was paper, it was against the recall.

hello.

this was a rehearsal for how good e-voting "worked" for the GOP. I remember thinking at the time, "here's proof e-voting is fixed."

I don't know ANYONE who voted for Ahnold, especially industry people. Almost everyone here knows someone who's been Gropenated.

[rinsd]

44. Not true...Alameda was touchscreen and against the recall (nt)

[Peace Patriot]

49. Yeah, rinsd, are we know how well touchscreens worked in Ohio!

...changed Kerry votes to Bush votes all day long, without repair or correction in many cases. Astronomical odds against that happening--only in Bush's favor, never Kerry's. When voters flipped back to page one, to check their vote before pushing the button to record, they found their Kerry vote changed to Bush vote. They changed it back. Then checked again--changed again. They complained, and COULD NOT GET VERIFICATION that their Kerry vote remained a Kerry vote. And these were just the most alert voters--those who checked! Touchscreens were notorious in Ohio.

So, HOW MUCH was Alameda against the Recall? And how was that verified? BushCons don't always steal votes in the most obvious places. In No. Carolina, they manufactured a 9% edge for Bush over and above what he should have gotten, in the electronic vote (vs. absentee/early voting)--creating and padding his nationwide popular majority. He would have won No. Carolina anyway. And in San Bernadino County, CA, there was a mysterious vote of some thousands of people for Barbara Boxer and Bush (obviously votes stolen from Kerry).

It was the BREAKDOWN of Diebold machines in Alameda that was one of the things that prompted Shelley to decertify and sue Diebold!

Things are not well in our voting system, to say the least. And you should never presume that any official numbers you get are real. Literally every vote must be checked against precinct sign-in sheets.

[rinsd]

64. How is that relevant?

The poster made an erroneous statement and I correct it.

"And you should never presume that any official numbers you get are real."

Yeah its much better to say "no one I know voted for Ahnold" and be done with it.

"So, HOW MUCH was Alameda against the Recall?"

70%. With turnout similar to the rest of the state (+60%)

"It was the BREAKDOWN of Diebold machines in Alameda that was one of the things that prompted Shelley to decertify and sue Diebold! "

Among others actually here in San Diego we had MORE problems that Alameda. They had a 1/4 of their machines go batty. We had about 50%. Not that I was surprised at the results here in San Diego, about 66% for the recall.

[zann725]

52. I don't know anyone who voted for him either.

So the Gropenator really IS "illegitimate" too?
Well, maybe it's time for ANOTHER recall?

[bardgal]

41. WRITE THE LATIMES - if they get enough on something - they'll print

Getting rid of e-voting should be the only thing on the table. without honest elections we're LOST.

[Helga Scow Stern]

42. Thanks, bardgal!

And keep reminding us.

[Helga Scow Stern]

46. Please listen to this interview with Romero and Conny:

It only played for me in the cached version, so the url is long:

http://216.239.63.104/search?q=cache:U_-iWPLHnd0J:www.scpr.org/programs/airtalk/index.shtml+romero+%2B%22conny+mccormack%22&hl=en&client=firefox-a

I can't listen to the rest of it now, but in what I heard, Conny is saying how they won't be able to meet the requirements Shelley put in place.

[Peace Patriot]

47. KICK! n/t

[Helga Scow Stern]

48. New SoS named.

McPherson, a moderate Republican from Santa Cruz. It all depends on if he listens to Conny McCormack.

[Helga Scow Stern]

57. It all depends on the tabulators. And redistricting. n/t

[Peace Patriot]

51. GO HERE for latest compilation thread on the California coup.

Ojai Person's compilation at:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=203&topic_id=325113#325318

--discussing what to do about it.

(--and where to find a pitchfork in San Francisco!)

[Peace Patriot]

53. KICK! n/t

[flyarm]

55. heard tonight on our fla progressive radio..

arnuld did a speach about redistricting..gerrymandering...stop it immediately california ..or you will become a member of the poster child for vote theft with us here in fla!!

please calif fight the gerrymandering..or you are finished..like we are here in fla!! dont let it happen!!!

stop it before it gets legs!!

fly

[EFerrari]

56. Sorry, been working the other street , but printing this out

and drawing the line.

They'll take California when Bush can talk without a script.

[ecoalex]

60. If there's a Dem majority Dems should prevail unless........

ahnold with his crooked plans are allowed to get his way. In redistricting , the DEms have moved into the rep bastions, the central valley foothills, where I live. In our country district #2 a Dem was elected from the population shift.Make no mistake about it, Dems are fanning out into Rep country in California , and changing the stagnant rep politics . Redistricting should lose rep bastions in California , if not , something is wrong , as urban inhabitants fan out all over Ca.

[Helga Scow Stern]

61. Common Cause just endorsed der Grope redistricting plan!

What is wrong with these people???

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x329625

[Peace Patriot]

62. KICK! n/t

[siliconefreak]

66. not entirely true

"Six weeks to decide if you wanted "The Terminator" or 100 other candidates who had never been in a movie."

Mary Carey has appeared in dozens of movies. :P

[rinsd]

69. Don't forget Gary Coleman! (nt)

[Peace Patriot]

70. I wish she'd been elected Governor! n/t