TYT: Glenn Beck Encourages States to Secede, Cenk Reacts

[ihavenobias]

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[PM Martin]

1. The right wing in America is of the worst in the world.

The Republicans are just bitter because they got their hind ends kicked!

[ejbr]

2. Texas wants to secede?

A few protesters and a desperate Governor = Texas wants to secede?

A 2008 Zogby International poll revealed that 22% of Americans believed while 73% did not believe that "any state or region has the right to peaceably secede and become an independent republic.

and

After Perry's comments received considerable attention and news coverage, Rasmussen Reports polled Texans and found that . 31% of them believed that Texas has the right to secede from the United States, although only 18% would support secession.

In other words, Texas DOES NOT WANT TO SECEDE for f&ck's sake!

[ihavenobias]

3. True but...

EIGHTEEN percent? That's almost 1 out of every 5 people!

[ejbr]

4. Well then,

maybe we can move the 18% of Texans that want to secede to the lower part of the state, while moving the rest out and let them "have at it hoss", then we should seriously consider it.

[AspenRose]

6. No, not to the Rio Grande Valley

That's the blue part of the state. Move them to East Texas or the Panhandle.

[ejbr]

8. I will defer to your judgment. Considering they are only 18%

they should be given the least idyllic part of the state as they really don't have the numbers to argue, do they? :)

[AlbertCat]

9. Put them on an Indian Reservation and move the native to the idyllic part of the state.

[AspenRose]

22. Panhandle it is, then

:hi:

[Seldona]

11. I believe this was about Glenn Beck's call for revolution.

And the fact that a fairly significant portion of the population, around one in five I believe, agrees with that call.

A majority? Hardly. But if the governor is talking about it, as well as these bingo-callers, that certainly makes for an interesting discussion.

The dangerous rhetoric Beck and his ilk use, like comparing keeping this nation united with a SUICIDE PACT, should not be ignored imo. I know if any other governor had a conversation like that, with Beck spewing about the same, Texans would be talking about it. Or would Texans collectively ignore the issue for some reason?

Like it or not, around one in three Texans think Texas has the right to succeed, and one in five think they should. That is including their governor, who refuses to rule it out. That is significant even if those in favor are the minority.

[ejbr]

20. Well, up is down and down is up I guess...

the majority of Americans want torture investigated, the fourth amendment honored and the U.S. out of Iraq, but where are we? Who'd a thunk? The squeeky wheel I guess...

[AlbertCat]

34. Like it or not, around one in three Texans think Texas has the right to succeed

All the while accepting Federal Funds to improve their god forsaken state.

[DutchLiberal]

5. Since Sarah Palin, secession has become really popular...

[AspenRose]

7. I think that's by design

That Alaska Secessionist movement she was (is?) involved with has gone viral

[pleah]

10. He is only fueling the base of their base and it will not gain new recruits

to the thug party.

Take a look at this cartoon, I think it says it all about gb.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x5492949

[Martunez]

The Constitution is not a suicide pact...

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except for that Second Amendment you love so much...

[edc]

33. Davy Crockett died to save texas from Mexican abolitionists

There are parallels here: First the antebellum slave states were happy to remain in the Union so long as they ran it. When that changed, they bugged out. They were gone within months of Lincoln's election.

What is really disgusting is the level of dishonor masquerading as nobility. Upon surrendering an honorably defeated foe furls its banners and abides by the terms of surrender to which it has assented. The defeated Confederacy reneged on that pledge by fighting reconstruction, implementing Jim Crow and proclaiming "The South Shall Rise Again" while flying its defeated banners proudly from its government buildings. It is not unlike the resurrection of the conservative movement going on now. Such people wrap their dishonor in gentile manners or patriotic humbug. They are incapable of creating anything but misery.

[Martunez]

12. The Constitution is not a suicide pact...

except for that Second Amendment you love so much...

[OhioChick]

13. K&R

:kick:

[WhoIsNumberNone]

14. It's as I've been saying all along-

These right wing douchebags would rather see America go down in flames than prosper under a Democrat.


Cenk- could you please be wrong about something sometime so it won't look like I'm a liberal dittohead agreeing with you all the time?
Thanx.

[eagertolearn]

15. My mom has totally bought into what Glen Beck and fox news is saying.

How do we stop these crazies? She thinks the world is coming to an end and that Obama has caused all the problems ("him and the mafia of Chicago"). She also says she hopes "someone" gets taken care of. I can't reason with her at all because of this propaganda that Beck is promoting. She keeps telling me my kids won't go to college or ever own a house or get a job.... What is the GOP's plan? Why do they have tese wackos running their party? Can anyone make sense out of this stuff??? I feel like she has been kidnapped and brain washed by the moonies and I need to go get her and deprogram her.

[Rhiannon12866]

17. You have my sympathies, my friend.

I cringe to imagine my mother is now watching this loony. She already watches O'Reilly and Hannity and gives me crap because I don't watch "the news..." x(

The thing is, my mother's very intelligent, but she swallows what these idiots say. Unfortunately, they aren't followed by "the truthful response," as somebody suggested recently, so these crazy ideas become part of her believe system. :-(

Awhile after 9/11, I asked her who was responsible, fearing that she'd say Saddam Hussein. But my mother must have missed that, since she told me that it was the Palestinians! :eyes:

And one time she blurted out that she wasn't in favor of stem cell research because "they killed children..." But when I answered "what?!!!" she must have realized how insane that sounded and stopped cold. But I guess that's what you get if you watch FIXED News. :crazy:

If you find a reliable deprogrammer, please PM me... :-( :pals:

[eagertolearn]

18. I will and you reminded me of when my mom was talking about how terrible

abortion is and I had to remind her that she had one once. I thought my mom was intelligent and smart too until these last 8 years. Part of the problem is what you said about them not listening to any balanced news sources. She is also very isolated. She keeps telling me I need to listen to the other side but she didn't seem to know who Rachel Maddow was.:eyes:

[Rhiannon12866]

19. I'm so sorry, but I'm faced with the same frustrations.

I'm reasonably sure that my mother hasn't heard of Rachel or KO, either, since O'Reilly won't utter his name. *sigh* :eyes:

My mother's also isolated, had hip replacement and hasn't wanted to leave the house much, since. :-( Her constant companion is my creep of a brother who turns on FAUX News now, too, so she doesn't stand a chance. He'd vote for the devil, himself, if he thought it would piss me off. :grr:

She seems to have this irrational hatred of both Clintons, goes off at the TV whenever either of them are on. And that was fairly often when he was president and then she was our senator. :crazy:

She actually said that she liked Barack Obama, early on, which surprised me. But she voted for McCain in the primaries, so must have figured out that Obama is a Democrat... :eyes:

She voted for Bush* twice, thinks both of his parents walk on water. x( I once tried to point out to her that she actually doesn't agree with Bush* on much of anything, is pro-choice, has no issues with gay people (she knows that my childhood friend is gay...), really has no objection to stem cell research, either, since no children are "killed," is actually pretty socially liberal, but there's still no convincing her. She embraces all the Limbaugh-O'Reilly-Hannity hate speech, since she's angry, too, and has no exposure to the other side, either. :-(

[eagertolearn]

21. I think it has something to do with the confidence (bull---) that these

people dish out. It is the way they sell themselves. Those of us middle age and younger are for whats real not what appears to be real. I saw some place the other day that the averge age of Fox viewers is 67. Also there was an article before the election that GOP's are very fear based and that there may be a genetic reason for this. That totally made sense becasue it is fear that these people are reacting to not reason. It's funny because my mom's dad was conservative (kind of acted and looked like Glen Beck) and my dad (who has been divorced from my mom for 45 years) is very liberal and his parents were very liberal. So maybe there is something to this genetics and fear??? That is very interesting that your mom is so liberal sounding but still votes republican. It has to be fear. They get them thinking the world is coming to an end and we will now be attacked by terrorists because the dems are soft on terror...This older crowd really falls for it and there is no convincing otherwise!

[Rhiannon12866]

36. You are absolutely right.

I've also heard that Republicans, based on "the culture of fear" that started with Reagan, are more afraid, keep their doors locked, etc., and my mother is no exception. She lives in a quiet suburb with close neighbors. And the street is remarkable in that they all know each other and are quick to offer to help out, like one of the guys on the other side of the street often snow blows her driveway. But all the doors and windows are always locked, including garage and both double doors in the front. Despite having a large deck, I don't think she ever hangs around outside.:scared:

And when I ran into her friend/neighbor, she told me that my mother had looked into getting a security system. My response was to ask if somebody had opened a crack house on the street... :eyes:

So you're right, it's fear. She no doubt swallowed the lie that "Bush* will keep us safer..." :crazy:

And my mother is above the FOX age demographic... ;)

[Moonwalk]

29. Well, they've got meetings for Children of Alcoholics....

Maybe you guys should get together and start one for "Children of Crazy Republicans." :shrug: I'm only half kidding. As you say, it sounds like members of a cult that need de-programing. Maybe an intervention?

[eagertolearn]

35. I'm the last kid left and because I went to college she doesn't listen to me!

It's really a lost cause which is easier to accept when they are not related. I think that generation is a "the glass is always half empty" one. Maybe thats why I'm the other way...I hope my kids don't end up like her. So far they are very strong liberals and I converted my husband too!

[Rhiannon12866]

38. I'm ACOA (Adult Children of Alcoholics). Does that count? ;)

That really isn't a bad idea, like the parents of Moonies hired deprogrammers to rescue their kids, years ago. Obviously, anybody who would swallow the idiotic assertions of Limbaugh, O'Reilly, etc., has to be easily influenced. I've often wondered if my mother would change if she listened to KO, instead, every night. :shrug:

I really have tried, but she belittles everything I say, since I don't watch "the news" or read the local peper... And no matter how old I get, she will always know more because she's "twice my age..." :eyes:

So it would have to be an authority figure. And one that O'Reilly hasn't trashed... If the previous pope was still alive, he just might do... :banghead:

[Divine Discontent]

23. I'd tell her she turns off the idiots or you'll have her put in for a 72 hour hold!

The Civil War was the most devastating and crushing event in American History, because people wouldn't come to civil order about issues they disagreed upon. It is something that is not flippantly to be bandied about - but leave it to these mouthbreathers to say this crap. They need to be visited by the gov't and told they're arguing for Civil War and that is a threat on the Washington DC admin. that is currently running the country.

The mouthbreathers on TV are inspiring hatred, and this after B*sh destroyed this country for 8 years, let a disaster get through our protection resources that could have been prevented (9/11) and ignored a massive disaster in N.O., and only NOW that a black man is president - oh, it's HIS fault... They are racists, or scared and want to blame someone other than themselves for supporting the buffoon.

[Enthusiast]

31. Propaganda works.

The last eight years are only a sample. Unless the media is forced to be more fair we will lose this country. Because, like it or not, most people get their information from TV.

[Rhiannon12866]

16. Seems to me that some states tried that already...

Doesn't anybody remember how that turned out? :shrug: :eyes: :dunce:

[phantom power]

24. You know, Glen, nobody can *stop* a state from seceding...

And if that state chooses to do it, they can't *stop* the United States from choosing to fight you over it. That's what has him upset. He wants his little revolution without a fight.

"Waaaa! I wanna have my own Civil War and feel like a Big Rebel, but without all that dangerous fighting and killing!"

Just another WATB chickenhawk.

[LaPera]

25. When America is at war = Treason!

[Sander]

26. Support and defend? One Nation ... indivisible?

These right wing wackos would be the first to decry removing the pledge of allegiance from classrooms and public events. They would be the first to condemn anyone from trying to remove the oath of office each State and Federal employee takes on assuming his/her position.

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of The United States of America (not just Texas or Georgia) and to the republic for which it stands. One nation, under God, indivisible...."

"I, ..., do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God."

Note that these oaths do not provide for..."unless I disagree with a particular policy or position."

Beck and minions are engaging in treasonous sedition.

We do have revolutions in this country. Once every four years. They are called elections. And we won. Get over it!!

[ihavenobias]

28. Your last line (we do have revolutions...) is EXCELLENT.

:)

[Plucketeer]

27. I don't know what parts of Texas are valuable, but....

.... if we were to give this 18% their own little slice of it, why not a 20-mile wide ribbon along the southern border??? With their arsenals and shoot first mentality, we'd have a buffer zone against the drug flow.:crazy:

[Moonwalk]

30. What I'm lovin' about this is Beck's argument that they have to secede to avoid...

...economic suicide. Okay, so fine. Let's say that the other 49 states are willing to let Texas go it's merry way. Does Texas think it can just trundle off free of the banks that owns the houses, and without re-paying the government for federal funds it was given for emergencies, schools? How about its part of the national debt? It owes at least 1/50th of that--or we can go by population. It supported the Iraq War, so it still has to pay its share for it, right?

We could go on and on, the point being that running off doesn't get them out of paying taxes and all the rest. It doesn't get them out of "economic suicide." In fact, it might become very real economic suicide if the rest of the states decide they can do without Texas (oh, and by the way, I really doubt they'll get the gulf of Mexico to go along with the state. Meaning they won't be allowed to fish or drill for oil out there. That's still U.S. waters, right?).

It's too ridiculous, as anyone with half a brain can see if they take even a second to think about it. But then, we know what Beck is really doing and really after (unless he is a complete and very stupid lunatic). He's just trying to cause Obama as much trouble as possible. His rhetoric, like all past Republican rhetoric is filled with the same old, same old: Scare people with the future, then promise them a magic cure for that future. The magic cure, of course, is far fetched, so the snake-oil salesman never has to worry about delivering (in this case, no one will ever say, "Glenn, you got us to secede, and now we're a mess! This is your fault!" right?). He can spend his time convincing people that the magic cure isn't happening because the scary future people won't let it.

And so, he accomplishes his real goal: getting enough people to cause more trouble and set up more roadblocks for their "enemies" while gaining attention and blind followers. :hangover: Such a waste of time.

[Puzzler]

32. Aside from all of the anti-American, unpatriotic arguments...

... the thing that irks me the most is that Obama was very clear in his election platform, especially with his taxation policy. And, he's done almost exactly WHAT HE SAID HE WAS GOING TO DO!!!!! So where's the beef? I mean, he won the election, right? So what's the RW argument? They don't like Obama's tax policy? Hey... they lost, and the last time I checked, the US is a democracy.

Of course we can clearly see that the concept of "democracy" is completely alien to the RWers. But, we already new that, eh?

[johnnyrocket]

37. Okay, that's insane what Beck is saying. Insane and DANGEROUS!

Where can he go from here, folks!? This is serious scary shit.

Glenn Beck could have blood on his hands, if he doesn't already. What an irresponsible buffoon.

[the blues]

39. Absolutely jaw-dropping