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Tue Dec 19, 2017, 10:57 AM

Why is Tom Steyer doing what Democratic lawmakers should be doing?

Where is the chorus of outrage by Democratic lawmakers over the tax plan? I keep seeing Tom Steyer ads, but I have not seen one single Democratic ad. I have not heard much outrage. I am not seeing a strategy for communication to the American people about the tax bill.

A new poll shows a third of the population support it. Are you kidding me? That figure should be in single digits. This tax scam is the antithesis of Democratic values. It takes from the poor, the sick and the vulnerable and it gives to the rich, and it is driven by somebody who boasts that his multiple bankruptcies are a good thing. If Democratic lawmakers can't get their messaging out over this, when can they?



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Reply Why is Tom Steyer doing what Democratic lawmakers should be doing? (Original post)
Doodley Dec 2017 OP
Golden Raisin Dec 2017 #1
DemocracyMouse Dec 2017 #30
FSogol Dec 2017 #2
Doodley Dec 2017 #3
emulatorloo Dec 2017 #7
FSogol Dec 2017 #9
Doodley Dec 2017 #23
emulatorloo Dec 2017 #4
Blue_Adept Dec 2017 #8
emulatorloo Dec 2017 #11
TheCowsCameHome Dec 2017 #14
Doodley Dec 2017 #20
Blue_Adept Dec 2017 #16
Doodley Dec 2017 #19
FSogol Dec 2017 #10
Doodley Dec 2017 #22
awesomerwb1 Dec 2017 #31
TheCowsCameHome Dec 2017 #5
emulatorloo Dec 2017 #6
underthematrix Dec 2017 #12
Blue_Adept Dec 2017 #18
underthematrix Dec 2017 #25
Blue_Adept Dec 2017 #26
PunkinPi Dec 2017 #28
Doodley Dec 2017 #33
PunkinPi Dec 2017 #34
world wide wally Dec 2017 #13
TheCowsCameHome Dec 2017 #15
Doodley Dec 2017 #17
brooklynite Dec 2017 #21
Doodley Dec 2017 #24
Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2017 #27
brooklynite Dec 2017 #29
Doodley Dec 2017 #32
brooklynite Dec 2017 #35

Response to Doodley (Original post)

Tue Dec 19, 2017, 11:01 AM

1. Excellent and disturbing question.

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Response to Golden Raisin (Reply #1)

Tue Dec 19, 2017, 12:18 PM

30. And it was answered...

...by Warren and Sanders who recently, and together, published a similar critique via the New York Times. Had they Steyer's money they might have hired a media team and placed TV ads too.

Or do Warren, Sanders and others of their caliber and conscience feel they have to toe some invisible line by NOT sticking out with a potent televised PSA?? Like a talented employee who needs to keep low to avoid becoming a target of jealous, less talented, passive aggressive types? Just speculating...

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Response to Doodley (Original post)

Tue Dec 19, 2017, 11:02 AM

2. Why do people think that Democratic politics means putting on tough talking TV shows?

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Response to FSogol (Reply #2)

Tue Dec 19, 2017, 11:04 AM

3. What do you mean by "tough talking TV show?"

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Response to Doodley (Reply #3)

Tue Dec 19, 2017, 11:09 AM

7. TV shows where people talk tough.

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Response to emulatorloo (Reply #7)

Tue Dec 19, 2017, 11:12 AM

9. "We should fix everything. That's what I would do!"



And then Tom Steyer waved his magic money-for-TV-commercials wand and everyone lived happily ever after!

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Response to FSogol (Reply #9)

Tue Dec 19, 2017, 11:41 AM

23. It isn't about fixing everything. It is about ripping apart a bill that is going to be devastating

for tens of millions of people.

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Response to Doodley (Original post)

Tue Dec 19, 2017, 11:04 AM

4. Dem lawmakers are speaking out. They don't have big ad budgets like billionaire Steyer, and

media tends to under-report what Democrats in congress say in favor of amplifying GOP'ers and their talking points.

Steyer's a billionaire so he can afford to make these ads and get them on TV. I am glad he's out there doing that.

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Response to emulatorloo (Reply #4)

Tue Dec 19, 2017, 11:11 AM

8. They don't need to speak out. They need to channel our anger out instead.

They're all still playing by the normal rules as the rage grows.

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Response to Blue_Adept (Reply #8)

Tue Dec 19, 2017, 11:17 AM

11. I hear frustration and anger from Dems as they speak out.

"Speaking out" and "expressing anger" often go hand in hand. They aren't polar opposites as you seem to suggest.

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Response to emulatorloo (Reply #11)

Tue Dec 19, 2017, 11:27 AM

14. How about Pelosi and Schumer

and all the congress critters they can muster up call a high-noon presser on the front steps of the Capitol and invite all the media?

They are so afraid of upsetting "our friends across the aisle" (How I HATE when they use that expression)

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Response to TheCowsCameHome (Reply #14)

Tue Dec 19, 2017, 11:37 AM

20. Yes, and they need to present ordinary people and talk about how they will be adversely

affected in contrast to Trump and his rich friends.

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Response to emulatorloo (Reply #11)

Tue Dec 19, 2017, 11:33 AM

16. They're still playing the same game. They're still playing at politics when much more is at stake.

They're showing frustration, not anger. And I mean the kind of rabble rousing anger that's needed, such as what we've seen from politicians in the past.

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Response to Blue_Adept (Reply #16)

Tue Dec 19, 2017, 11:36 AM

19. Yes, passiveness is not a call to action or a vote winner.

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Response to emulatorloo (Reply #4)

Tue Dec 19, 2017, 11:13 AM

10. I'm glad too. Steyer was a major donor to Martin O'Malley's campaign. n/t

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Response to emulatorloo (Reply #4)

Tue Dec 19, 2017, 11:40 AM

22. Democrats can't find the money to run a campaign on the same scale as Tom Steyer?

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Response to emulatorloo (Reply #4)

Tue Dec 19, 2017, 12:42 PM

31. Steyer would probably love to

fund ads for Dems don't you think?

Dems need to get very creative and more vocal on social media which is a war the russian Republicans and russian bots appear to be winning.

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Response to Doodley (Original post)

Tue Dec 19, 2017, 11:06 AM

5. Keeping their powder dry,

plus we mustn't offend our friends across the aisle.









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Response to Doodley (Original post)

Tue Dec 19, 2017, 11:17 AM

12. Here's what I don't understand. HRC got over 65 millions votes

but the NeedToImpeach still has not reached 4 million signers. What the phuck is wrong with people?

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Response to underthematrix (Reply #12)

Tue Dec 19, 2017, 11:35 AM

18. Most won't ever hear of it

And I've barely heard of it myself even while perusing these parts regularly daily. And if it's just a petition, most won't sign onto that. Even as a Hillary voter myself I wouldn't bother with a petition because it's meaningless.

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Response to Blue_Adept (Reply #18)

Tue Dec 19, 2017, 11:44 AM

25. No it's not meaningless. Twitler is a tv reality president. It will matter to him. It will phuck

with head and that's worth more than you imagine. People in the streets peacefully protesting and a petition with 100 million signers. That's what would phuck with a thug like Twitler and his Kremlin Klan.

We need to express our objection to this criminal government in every way possible.

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Response to underthematrix (Reply #25)

Tue Dec 19, 2017, 11:47 AM

26. It'll matter to him? He'll never even hear of it.

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Response to Blue_Adept (Reply #26)

Tue Dec 19, 2017, 12:14 PM

28. There's a tweet for that...




"Wacky & totally unhinged Tom Steyer, who has been fighting me and my Make America Great Again agenda from beginning, never wins elections!" - Oct 27, Donald J. Trump‏

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Response to PunkinPi (Reply #28)

Tue Dec 19, 2017, 12:53 PM

33. Thanks for posting that. Yes, Trump takes note of all criticisms.

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Response to Doodley (Reply #33)

Tue Dec 19, 2017, 01:04 PM

34. You're welcome, that's one thing he is consistent on. nt

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Response to Doodley (Original post)

Tue Dec 19, 2017, 11:26 AM

13. Why haven't the Democrats flooded the news talk shows with surrogates speaking out against this tax

Bill?
That is what Trump did for two weeks leading up to the election and it worked out pretty well for him. I see a couple a day, but I mean "FLOOD" them

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Response to world wide wally (Reply #13)

Tue Dec 19, 2017, 11:28 AM

15. Wut? And alienate their (R) pals?

That will never happen.

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Response to world wide wally (Reply #13)

Tue Dec 19, 2017, 11:34 AM

17. Exactly. Trump won because people believed (wrongly IMO) that he was passionate about

he was talking about.

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Response to Doodley (Original post)

Tue Dec 19, 2017, 11:38 AM

21. By "doing" you mean "advocating a meaningless symbolic vote to make liberals feel good"?

If Steyer wants to impeach Trump, he should spend the money he's wasting on getting Democrats elected so they hold the House and Senate.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #21)

Tue Dec 19, 2017, 11:43 AM

24. This is about Steyer's attacks on the tax bill.

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Response to Doodley (Reply #24)

Tue Dec 19, 2017, 11:55 AM

27. And it would still be more useful for him

to use that money to elect more Democrats. There's not a whole lot Democrats can do right now to stop this Tax scam and it's already massively unpopular with the public, but they can do more in 2018 and 2020, especially with a Democratic President and Congress, to reverse it.

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Response to Doodley (Reply #24)

Tue Dec 19, 2017, 12:17 PM

29. Tell me the name of the website that appears in the ad



Ultimately, this is still his goal

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #29)

Tue Dec 19, 2017, 12:51 PM

32. What website are you talking about? What is still his goal?

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Response to Doodley (Reply #32)

Tue Dec 19, 2017, 01:21 PM

35. Needtoimpeach.com

appears at 0:47 in the ad.

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