Be on red alert, patriots. Mark Warner is afraid Trump will fire Rosenstein/Mueller this weekend.

[scheming daemons]

...after congress has gone home.


He stood in the floor of the Senate today to sound the warning.


Mark Warner is the ranking member of the Senate committee that is looking at Trump/Russia. He knows what is going on.


His speech on the floor of the Senate today has me worried. He knows something.


Be ready to march, patriots.

[Eliot Rosewater]

1. I am fucking ready

[lastlib]

108. lastlib reporting for marching duty, SIR!

Marching shoes on AND LACED!



These boots were made for walkin'! One o' these days these boots are gonna walk all over dRumpf!

[Eliot Rosewater]

109. Assume everybody has the links

https://act.moveon.org/event/mueller-firing-rapid-response-events/search/

[Kirk Lover]

2. Me too.

[BigmanPigman]

46. Me three.

I made my two signs last weekend. My sister and I are going and signed up. Here is the link.
https://act.moveon.org/event/mueller-firing-rapid-response/search/

[Sugarcoated]

84. Mine's been ready

from the women's march. It's huge.

[BigmanPigman]

91. Are you going to this year's Women's March Jan. 20th?

Here's some info...
https://qz.com/1139150/womens-march-2018-when-and-where-it-starts-in-new-york-los-angeles-chicago-philadelphia-san-francisco-and-more/

[spanone]

3. K&R...what will congress do?

i suspect absolutely nothing. nada. zip. ziltch.

[COLGATE4]

40. I just posted agreeing with you. My answer:

It will hit the 24 hour news cycle - congresscritturs will be making the appropriate desultory noises. There will be the usual street protests, carried for a few minutes on national TV and, on Fox "News" the usual "LW crazy" making incendiary statements. Then Congress will study the situation and reluctantly conclude that, although the President's decision to act in that fashion was truly regrettable there is nothing that Congress can do since it was, after all, perfectly legal. And then the 24 hour news cycle will become bored with the topic and move on to the next "Squirrel!!" and we will be left with a handful of Fitzmas II.

[tableturner]

50. I think you need to change your defeatist attitude. It can affect others.

I respectfully and completely disagree with you! The protests will be massive....the biggest and most widespread ever. Our democracy is at stake, and the people will rise up!

[tymorial]

57. I doubt it

It's Christmas. Immediate protests create momentum while delayed outrage lessens the impact. Due to the holiday there will be distraction and mobilization delayed. Given the lack of attention span in this country for more than 5 minutes, I am afraid that this act will slide by and by the time any protest is begun too many people will have moved on to contribute.

I hope to hell I am wrong but it's winter, it's Christmas/new years and Congress will be be out of session.

[tableturner]

61. Many people will not be working....people off work have an easier time protesting!

Plus, people off work will be doing a lot of sitting around watching a lot of TV, which will be full of full on crisis coverage.

Again......buck up.....believe......fight!

[politicaljunkie41910]

73. So you're saying that an affront to our democracy is not as important as last minute shopping in

preparation for a non-existent fat man, who arrives on a sleigh, pulled by reindeers, from the North Pole ? God help us all.

I can't think of a more important issue to get people mad as hell and off their asses in front of a television and taking to the streets to take back their country from a bunch of pussies in Congress who told all of us average Joes and JoAnns, what they really thought of us when they signed that tax bill today. I can't think of a more appropriate response than taking to the streets even if it means it's on Christmas Eve or Christmas Day.

[Sugarcoated]

85. You're wrong

But keep hoping to hell

[BadgerMom]

66. Yep.

[COLGATE4]

97. File under "Wishful thinking" nt

[quartz007]

4. Reminds me of Nixon's Saturday massacre

How did that work out for tricky Dick?
He resigned under threat of impending impeachment.

[Irish_Dem]

8. Yes but we 1. Had a Barry Goldwater and his friends who walked over to the WH

and told Nixon he had to go and why. 2. Nixon listened and understood.
He resigned when he previously had stated he would not do so.

We don't have either of these two situations now.

[calimary]

35. And we also didn't have social media and crank-houses like Pox Noise and Sinclair Broadcasting

force-feeding America their propaganda, puke pablum, and "alternative facts" back then, as we do now. We didn't have Alex Jones and limbaugh and that-guy-whose-name-rhymes-with-VANITY pushing the talking points, either.

[Irish_Dem]

36. Yes we didn't have intense, relentless propaganda bombarding us. nt

[Saboburns]

9. BECAUSE DEMOCRATS CONTROLLED BOTH HOUSES AT THE TIME

No matter what anybody thinks might happen. No matter what we want to happen.

THE ONLY STOP-GAP, FAIL-SAFE IF YOU WILL, THAT KEEPS DONALD TRUMP FROM FIRING MUELLER IS THE UNITED STATES CONGRESS.

That's it.

Both houses with REPUBLICAN majorities.

Please don't tell me he can't personally fire Mueller. I get it. I do. That is but a trifle. A mere trifle. So let's not waste time arguing that point.

The ONLY thing that safe-guards Mueller is the chance of Impeachment.

That's it.

You may have faith in a Republican controlled Congress to Impeach Donald Trump. I do not.

I am a bit surprised it hasn't happened already.

[Sugarcoated]

86. We'll win both houses back by bigger margins, then.

And Democrats WILL impeach

[spanone]

58. he had a democratic congress or it might have worked out differently

[maddiemom]

78. But we had some half-decent Republicans in Nixon's day.

And some pretty tough Democrats. Would love to see McConnell tangle with some of the Dems from the Sixties and Seventies. Would love to see him face off with LBJ.

[quartz007]

103. Hah..Tip O'neill would

chew McConnell up and spit him out. When Tip talked, people listened.

[C_U_L8R]

5. Trump's feeling invincible right now.

He'll do it.

[Irish_Dem]

6. That is my thought as well. Congress will back him.

He is riding high.

[RealityChik]

77. Congress will only back him...

Until they pass their precious tax heist. Once they've satisfied their donors and, in their minds, secured their reelection, they'll hang him out to dry!

[Irish_Dem]

80. I agree completely, he is dead weight now to them....I think that is why they were ass kissing today

They know they are going to ride him out on a rail soon and don't want his mean revenge to come back
at them.

[funflower]

90. But their base lurvs him. n/t

[RealityChik]

102. At least it's only 30% of our population, thank goodness.

Wait until the tax heist is passed into law. He's gonna have 110 million new raging voices demanding he be exiled to Russia. Isn't there a McDonalds in Moscow? He could always work there and get free food until he dies of a coronary or drinks a little too much plutonium tea!

[Tom Rinaldo]

12. But he is actually more vulnerable than ever

Sure Republicans will stick with him if it appears the public will let him get away with it, but if the heat rises they will abandon him now even though they wouldn't before.

The fool doesn't realize that he becomes dispensable as soon as the tax cuts become law

[pangaia]

14. He is not dispensable..

They still have SS, Medicare and medicaid to gut, plus.... schools, infrastructure,, you name it..

He's their boy for a long time...

[mitch96]

59. The fool doesn't realize that he becomes dispensable as soon as the tax cuts become law

EXACTLY... the corporate elites got what they wanted and now he is expendable...
m

[smirkymonkey]

47. Yes, he's been emboldened by this latest "victory". He's like a gambler on a

high. There is no telling what other bullshit he is going to try to get away with. It wouldn't surprise me if he tried to drop a few "holiday nukes" just to celebrate. Motherfucker!

[dottie66]

107. Scares the hell out of me

This is much worse than Watergate. Where are the leaders? What is their plan of action that doesn't rely on the cooperation of the Republicans? Is there a legal course of action available? Protests are great but we need leaders to step up too.

[doc03]

7. If asswipe fires them can they speak out about the evidence they have found

in their investigation so far? I am sure they have a lot more facts than what has been made public.

[mopinko]

10. that's my thought, too. spill baby spill.

take that file over to the wapo, and beg them to hit print.

[getagrip_already]

16. probably not....

it's probably a violation of law to leak fbi work product without authorization. But if he has sealed indictments with the evidence as part of the indictment, it becomes public as soon as they are unsealed.

He should have enough time to get them unsealed. There are ways trump could do it it quickly, but I doubt his team is that smart.....

[GallopingGhost]

11. It would be

very interesting to watch Mueller's contingency plan happen, should Twitler make that move.

I'm sure he's got one.

[2naSalit]

23. +1

[MustLoveBeagles]

29. K&R

+1

Mr. Mueller doesn't strike me as a stupid man. He has to have thought of this possibility and prepared for it. I'd be very surprised if he hasn't.

[GallopingGhost]

52. Me too.

I don't know exactly what would happen but I'm very sure the shit would hit the fan.

[Heartstrings]

81. +1

[lagomorph777]

82. I guarantee Mueller has set a dead-man switch.

The minute he's gone, the Ark of the Covenant opens and GOP faces melt all over town.

Numerous state AGs are already part of the investigation.

Numerous massive email dumps to every major media outlet are held back only as long as he's there.

And you can bet he's found a way to work without actually classifying the materials. He knows what he's doing.

[Pacifist Patriot]

96. I agree. That could very well be when things get their most interesting.

[jalan48]

13. Mueller needs more time and money to continue the investigation. Who holds the purse strings?

[ancianita]

45. The FBI budget is a lock box part of the DOJ budget. It's not vulnerable to defunding.

[McCamy Taylor]

15. This could also be a GOP fund raiser

Tell the rich people who just got a tax cut that they should not wait until they have cash in hand to donate to the GOP because Trump has a secret plan to shut down Mueller and make sure that no future Dem Congress has a chance to take the money back. If I were a wealthy potential donor I would wait a bit before delivering my part of the quid pro quo in case the GOP is unable to deliver

[George II]

17. Don't think it's going to happen.

[peggysue2]

18. I read earlier this week . . .

that Mueller's team and Trump's lawyers would be meeting Thursday or Friday. I would expect if Mueller thinks Trump is in a 'guillotine' mood, he might drop the blade first, thereby deflating any ego flight the Trumpster may be enjoying. Perhaps mentioning his son and son-in-law as the next indictments on the roster. Or someone else brought on charges, someone who would rock Trump's sense of invincibility.

I'd be surprised if even The Donald was reckless enough to go after Mueller directly. The more logical approach (I know using the term in relation to Trump seems silly) but nevertheless, the more logical, less risky approach would be going after Rod Rosenstein and demand that he fire Mueller. Rosenstein declines, then the next up declines, etc., etc., and we're into Saturday Night Massacre territory.

He may believe that the Christmas holiday is perfect for these shenanigans because citizens will be distracted with holiday preparations.

If so,, he has a rude awakening coming his way.

[ancianita]

48. Mueller's about to tell the Trump legal team that nothing will stop the investigation, with or

without him, sealed indictments and all.

People keep overlooking that there is absolutely no just cause to justify either Rosenstein or the prez's firing Mueller, not even an attempt, and so it's not going to happen. Because it will be another count against them on the FBI's current obstruction of justice list.

I'll bet the Trump team comes away from this meeting seriously considering telling the prez to resign.

[peggysue2]

53. Hope you're right

Because I don't see Trump doing that on his own--resigning. Unless on some baloney pretense like health reasons. But then, if he resigns he's wide open to an immediate indictment, either at the Fed or state level.

Going to be an interesting watch & wait weekend.

[funflower]

89. No, they will never tell Vito anything he doesn't want to her n/t

[Atticus]

98. Without commenting on whether Trump will fire him, I think there may actually be

" just cause": perjury. I understood Rosenstein to testify before Congress that he had authorized the release of the emails used by the wingnuts to smear Mueller, but only after getting the Inspector General's approval. IG subsequently issued statement denying any authorization and, I believe, said they had not even been consulted.
Someone is lying.

[ancianita]

104. I don't see this out there anywhere. Could you maybe link it?

[Atticus]

105. Sorry, but my source for both was tv. That absolutely was Rosenstein's testimony as I watched the

coverage live. And, that same day, one of the evening political shows featured the IG's denial.

[USALiberal]

19. FFS, not this rumor again, it is a daily occurrence here. n.t

[2naSalit]

24. FFS...

and it will probably stick around for a spell.

[MyNameGoesHere]

26. The rumor that Warner issues a warning to tRump.

No that's a fact.

[pnwmom]

37. The fact that Senator Mark Warner issued this warning makes it significant. n/t

[RealityChik]

87. Maybe this will help a bit...

I don't reference Bill Palmer of Palmer reports now that ALL of his articles seem to be 1% fact/99% opinion, but in this case he does make a plausible analysis of why Warner said what he did.

http://www.palmerreport.com/opinion/mark-warner-mueller/6800/

I'm not saying he's right but given MSM's hair-on-fire insistence every other day that Trump's gonna fire Mueller maybe tomorrow as a way of selling interest to keep the $$$ rolling in, the Dems are being forced to respond and play the game to minimize being manipulated by the press.

I'm still confident that Mueller has an ace up his sleeve and could take out the whole cabal before they knew what hit them. Keep the faith, my fellow DUers.

[Stinky The Clown]

79. I bet you can find places where it isn't.

Maybe you'd be happier there

[malaise]

20. He was excellent

Rec

[bucolic_frolic]

21. absolutely

Friday evening 7-8 pm, when no one is paying attention for the holiday weekend. No news cycle until Tuesday.

No question about it, trying to deflect resistance while people are preoccupied with holidays, family, food and wine.

[yonder]

22. after 2, 5. after 5, 12.

Shout it far and wide.

[lunasun]

41. Well if you are talking about response

If Mueller is fired BEFORE 2 P.M. local time —> events will begin @ 5 P.M. local time
If Mueller is fired AFTER 2 P.M. local time —> events will begin @ noon local time the following day
This is the general plan—please confirm details on your event page, as individual hosts

[yonder]

51. thanks

I'll be the one on the commons with egg on his face. Shouting, nevertheless

[burrowowl]

83. Right on!

Take to the streets! and the Internet!

[XRubicon]

25. Pretty sure he's headed to Mar A Shito tomorrow

They have the info signs out saying the road will be closed from 12/21 to 1/2.

I bet he does it and hides out until after the new year.

[zentrum]

27. On the contrary, GOP more likely to get rid of Trump

…than ever before, because his useful idiocy has produced the tax bill and that's all they ever cared about.

They'd love to have Pence and Trump both gone and let Ryan be President.

Now that Trump has given them what they want, I think his power has peaked with them and they'll be fine to let him take the Russian scandal and be ruined. They hate his guts too, but God—has he ever been useful.

[ToxMarz]

44. Trump hasn't given them what they want

This weekend would be perfect for Trump to fire Mueller. Then he will hold off signing the tax bill, as long as he wants. This will force the Republicans to defend him to get the bill signed. No impeachment unless the Republican House starts the process. He could demand changes to the bill before he will sign. It can be drawn out as long as he likes.

[zentrum]

55. Trump wants and needs

…the tax bill for his own personal wealth. He would never not sign it. He might love to hang it over their heads, but he needs it too much per$onally. It's the stone that kills about ten birds.

[marylandblue]

28. The Christmas Eve Massacre?

[matt819]

30. Im also tired of this rumor

But I gave a question. What do you think the likelihood is that this would immediately trigger the release of all sealed indictments and revelations of other guilty pleas?

[tableturner]

63. I think it is a HIGH likelihood!

[Honeycombe8]

71. Doesn't matter. The Repubs are NOT LIKELY to DO anything about anything that Trump does right now.

They're all ridin' high, counting their gold coins, feeling all warm and fuzzy about what Trump helped get them all.

[calimary]

31. The link for RAPID RESPONSE to a possible Mueller firing:

https://act.moveon.org/event/mueller-firing-rapid-response-events/search/

[bluestarone]

32. can only hope plan 2

is ready to go STATE charges!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Drahthaardogs]

33. I really appreciate you guys doing something BUT

Do you really think marching is going to get their attention?

[cab67]

94. Maybe not

But shutting Washington DC down would.

[SoCalMusicLover]

38. WRONG!!

The repubs will rally around the claim that Mueller is corrupt, and so was his investigation.

The repubs will trash Mueller, NOT Drumpf.

[Hoyt]

39. Well, that's a little more creditable than the rumors about him doing it every weekend since June.

I don't believe he will, but who knows?

[riversedge]

42. Important speech by @MarkWarner. The coordinated attacks on Robert Mueller are an effort to undermin

Seem Bob Casey is worried also



David 🇺🇸 🏳️‍🌈
💙 Retweeted
Wilson Chu‏ @MyWchu
12m12 minutes ago

Wilson Chu Retweeted Senator Bob Casey

Thank you @SenBobCasey. You are the only Senate voice of reason in Pennsylvania.

Link to tweet

Senator Bob Casey‏Verified account @SenBobCasey

Important speech by @MarkWarner. The coordinated attacks on Robert Mueller are an effort to undermine the rule of law & our system of justice. The unhinged attacks on Mr. Mueller & our law enforcement have been shameful. We must reject them.
3:57 PM - 20 Dec 2017

[sweetapogee]

43. trump isn't going to fire Mueller

That wouldn't end the uproar.

[ehrnst]

49. Not seeing where Warner thinks Trump will fire Mueller this weekend

He blasted Republicans who are promoting firing Mueller, and warns Trump against firing him, but doesn't mention this weekend or any other time frame:
http://theweek.com/speedreads/744583/sen-mark-warner-republican-calls-fire-mueller-are-reckless-worrying

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/sen-mark-warner-top-senate-intel-dem-warns/story?id=51913654

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/sen-warner-warns-trump-against-firing-mueller-pardons-n831656

Can you provide a link quoting where he got specific about this weekend?

[PunkinPi]

56. I don't think Warner explicitly said this weekend, however

there were rumors going around that the firing could take place this weekend.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029990640

[Mr. Ected]

54. Tonight or tomorrow, Mueller will be meeting with Trump and his legal team

He will echo the message of Senator Warner.

He will set out the course of events that will proceed the moment Trump attempts to fire Mueller via Rosenstein or anyone else.

He will paint a cold, dire picture for Mr. Trump. The case has already been made. The remainder of the investigation would simply add to the sum total of indictments awaiting Trump and his family, and a host of other Trump aides. He will detail all the land mines that he and his team have left behind, triggered to go off the moment Trump tries to bring him down.

State level charges lurk maliciously in the background.

Plain and simple, "we have you, Mr. Trump. We have you six ways from Sunday".

Trump may not understand the meaning of "constitutional crisis", but he'll have a load in his expansive golf slacks when Mr. Mueller leaves the premises.

My money is on Trump cocooning for a couple weeks, laying in the fetal position in a dark linen closet somewhere in Florida.

[tableturner]

65. Don't think Trump himself will be at the meeting.....just the lawyers.

They'll pass the message on, of course. I think what Mueller's group will say will not be quite as explicit as you wrote, but who knows? We'll see.

[USALiberal]

67. We are no where close to this. Months away. n/t

[RealityChik]

76. Maybe not...

Mueller may have given that 'end of 2018' timeline to use as as a negotiating "carrot", as in "you give me (insert suspect name here), I'll clear you by (insert date) or I'll end the investigation if you (insert condition here, like roll over on Pence, testify about Trump's direct roll in ordering the election theft).

Just a wild speculation by me, of course. What benefit to Mueller could there possibly be for letting Trump know he needs another year to investigate? That would be like showing your whole hand to your adversary. Mueller's too smart for that.

[riversedge]

60. Maddow is playing Warner's entire speech on the floor. on her show right now

[Generic Brad]

62. He said it would be crossing a "Red" line

A "Ruby Red" line.

I heard that as a warning. If blatant moves are made to shut down the investigation, the truth of Trump's deep and traitorous involvement with Russia would be made public. Perhaps I'm just hearing what I want to hear.

[fallout87]

64. He's not going to fire Mueller. Here's why

Fox News running interference 24/7 has already destroyed Mueller's credibility with the tRump base. He doesn't need to fire him, just discredit enough to keep his core support.

[PatSeg]

68. He really scared me

And later Adam Schiff wasn't terribly reassuring either. What fucking awful day.

[Honeycombe8]

69. Yes. I sent out a warning recently, myself, after reading a Tweet about it.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029988250

[Honeycombe8]

70. Repubs are LEAST LIKELY to do anything about it right now, 'cause of the tax cuts.

They're flyin' high, basking in glory with thoughts of money raining down. They're going home for Christmas with a YUGE win. They are not likely to do anything about anything that Trump does. Their friend. Their partner in crime. The one who helped them "work hard" to get the tax cuts.

[BobTheSubgenius]

72. Makes dreadful sense, though.

In fact, for such a clueless POS collective, it might be a masterstroke of planning. They might be counting on a ton of people not being willing to take to the streets over the Xmas break.

[RealityChik]

74. Be alert but remain calm...

Remember that Mueller has several sealed indictments ready to go. I also interpret Mueller's response to the 50,000 email uproar last Saturday as "firing a warning shot across the bow" when he justified obtaining those emails from the GSA as legally necessary as evidence in CRIMINAL investigations.

During the time it will take to complete the firing of both Mueller and Rosenstein, Mueller will unseal those indictments and indict the whole cabal. To me, Mueller would never continue on without a "kill switch". Fast and furious. The whole lot of them will never see it coming. They won't know what hit 'um.

If you wish to have a more informed explanation, follow the Twitter feed of @renato_mariotti, a former federal prosecutor who is running for AG in the state of Illinois. Whenever my nerves get stretched to the limit with high anxiety, he is one of the dozen or so experts I run to to calm my soul.

Mueller has factored all of this in. He's a brilliant strategist. I continue to put my faith in Mueller. I'm confident he's got every angle covered.

[funflower]

88. Better have an alternate plan for if it happens over Christmas.

People who aren't 23 and single/childless will have trouble showing up in large numbers on Christmas Eve. They'll show up, but there will need to be leadership that will make it possible for more than the standard crop of protesters to participate.

[pnwmom]

95. The plan should be for the Dems to filibuster the resolution to recess for the holiday,

which would prevent DT from appointing replacement while the Senate is in recess.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210009621

[sofa king]

92. PLEASE be true. I want to see the true dick-move.

Section 4 of the Twenty-Fifth Amendment allows the Vice President and a majority of cabinet members to declare a President unfit to serve.

No, Mike Pence and the other gangsters wouldn't willingly do this... unless their balls are also on the chopping block and the Special Investigator offers them a deal. I've seen a lot of circumstantial evidence that suggests that at least some of those people were involved.

If they do declare unfitness, some amusing things happen. The usurpers have to send a letter to Congress, saying Trump is unfit. You can bet on Trump instantly responding with a letter of his own, saying he is fit, which instantly restores him. When that happens, Congress has to reconvene within 48 hours and decide the issue within three weeks.

So if Trump pulls the trigger on Mueller tomorrow, Mueller can try to force a declaration of unfitness that same day. Trump will have his letter of protest in by Saturday, and then Congress must, by law, reconvene in Washington ON CHRISTMAS FUCKING DAY.

I've never forgiven the Republicans for fucking up my Christmas by shutting down the government back in '95. So this would be the sweetest, sweetest vengeance for me. Not gonna happen but we're sure to see some sort of FUBAR Constitutional maneuvering any week now.

[JawJaw]

93. Look to Europe!

Maybe we need to start blocking roads/driving slowly like French farmers do or British truckers.

Artificially gridlocked city centers/interstates have a wonderful way of concentrating the minds of politicians and corporations.

[Orrex]

99. Now's the time for Pelosi to reassure us that impeachment is off the table

And maybe Democrats will finally keep their powder dry, like we've wanted them to do for decades...

[FreepFryer]

100. "Afraid"? Not at all. READY. To be charitable, your frame is a poor choice of words. (n/t)

[Catherine Vincent]

101. I would not be surprised if he does try it!

The last few weeks we hear his lackeys on Fox demonizing Mueller to set the stage. These asses would do the same if Comey and Mueller were Democrats (that's a given) but they are republicans. It just goes to show you how they will say and do anything for the con man Crooked Trump.

I despise those sons of aholes.

[DownriverDem]

106. Just like Nixon

Except Nixon had folks saying I resign first and he kept going until he got to Bork who did his dirty work.

I abhor repubs.

[wolfie001]

110. Just a note for the OP....

....Mark Warner's not afraid of anyone!