Neither Jill Stein (Green Party) Nor Bernie Sanders (Independent) Are Calling for Impeachment

[TomCADem]

I know there are some folks who are suggesting that the Democratic party should focus on impeachment or lose progressive support, but the fact of the matter is that the aggressive voices on impeachment are already coming from Democrats like Al Green or folks like billionaire Tom Steyer.

Comrade Jill Stein and the Green Party have been very quiet about impeachment. Often cited progressive critics of the Democratic party like Cornel West and Susan Sarandon are mum about impeaching Trump choosing instead to continue to attack Democrats by name-calling them as neo-liberals even though Democrats are out of power in DC. Finally, even Bernie Sanders, who often rails against Trump's corruption is trying to tamp down impeachment talk.

Indeed, many of the groups that are supposedly to the left of mainstream Democrats have been pretty quiet about impeaching Trump despite the lawlessness and obvious corruption of the Trump administration.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/sanders-congress-shouldn-t-jump-gun-trump-impeachment-n828156

Sanders: Congress shouldn’t jump the gun on Trump impeachment

WASHINGTON — Sen. Bernie Sanders on Sunday warned against “jumping the gun” in pursuing impeachment charges against President Donald Trump and maintained that any potential proceedings should not be partisan.

“I think there is a process that has to be followed,” the Vermont independent said on NBC's “Meet the Press,” urging Democrats to wait for special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation on Russian attempts to interfere in the 2016 election to play out before starting any kind of formal impeachment process.

“I think Mr. Mueller is doing a very good job on his investigation,” Sanders said. “If Mueller brings forth the clear evidence that there was collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russians, I think you have grounds for impeachment.”

California businessman Tom Steyer has launched a multimillion-dollar campaign of television ads calling for Trump to be impeached, drawing the ire of some top Democrats.

[SHRED]

1. I think Impeachment is a given

When Democrats can do it.
Or Mueller nails it.

I've read not giving Republican voters a reason to go to the polls is a wiser political move since they are down right now.
Don't give impeachment as a reason to motivate them to the polls.
Make sense?

[pangaia]

2. I hate to say it, but i am with you on this.

[SHRED]

4. I want him gone...yesterday

[arthritisR_US]

8. TY so very f*cking much!!!!

My cathartic relief and I’m grateful

[shanny]

11. Don't we all.

But impeachment--even if we managed that--won't do it. Can you imagine Repukes voting to convict? They have the pResident of their dreams, someone with no moral conscience but possessed of stubby fingers long enough to hold a pen.

[skylucy]

3. I agree. It's all about timing.

[NCDem777]

9. Also and this is important

Even if we win 2018, we won't have 2/3rds in the Senate

[pangaia]

29. Assuming there is even an open election in 2018,

which I now very seriously doubt.

[WhiteTara]

34. It does to Nancy too.

We only have one shot at this and if we miss, it will probably be game over.

[BigmanPigman]

5. Feinstein and Pelosi are taking the same stand.

[mcar]

22. And get roundly criticized here for it

Some selective outrage going on, it seems.

[NastyRiffraff]

31. It's terrible when THEY do it

They're Democrats, after all. Only "certain people" can get away with saying, basically, wait on impeachment.

Cognitive Dissonance reigns.

[dembotoz]

6. So we continue to paint Bernie with the Jill Stein brush

Ain't this getting old???

[arthritisR_US]

7. Of course not they both cherish, love , adore the Russians.

Both pathetic puppets.

[shanny]

12. Like Pelosi and Feinstein?

[delisen]

15. So Sanders is going "establishment" om impeachment?

[shanny]

17. Sanders is doing what he always does, IMO.

Not being stupid. In this case it means not wasting time on un-winnable battles ( if you recall, he also didn't want to waste time on the damn emails).

[delisen]

18. I guess he saw demanding Franken's resignation to be

a safe bet, after so many senators called for resignation before him.

[shanny]

20. Yeah, Bernie is totally motivated by the "safe" thing.

QED

[delisen]

30. I think he does play it safe.

I haven't seen Sanders as a revolutionary but as a reformer of the Democratic Party. He presses from reform more from an outsider or neutral stance, as well as occasionally as an "insider" or at least as an aligned individual.

I think, however, that the times demand a more revolutionary approach with the focus on the ongoing Russian/Republican threat.

In terms of economics I think the focus must be not on job as a goal, but income and automation.

[BoneyardDem]

26. Did Pelosi and Feinsteig eat at the same table as Putin?

your parallels are not drawn accurately.

[shanny]

40. Did Bernie?

Neither are yours.

[TomCADem]

36. Exactly. You're Right. Bernie Sanders, Jill Stein and Cornel West are in the same boat...

...as many so-called "establishment" Democrats. Indeed, there are Democrats like Ted Lieu and Al Green who favor a much more aggressive approach, then the so-called non-establishment members of the left.

[Jim Lane]

35. Are there any other members of the Democratic caucus whom you consider a pathetic puppet?

If there had been an internet in 1950s, there would've been posts calling the NAACP "pathetic puppets" because they echoed the Russian propaganda line that there were lynchings in the United States.

The point is that the Russians do not possess reverse infallibility. Just because they oppose something doesn't mean that it's right. And just because a member of the Democratic caucus in the Senate agrees with something said by people who are believed to be Russian puppets doesn't mean that the Senator is a puppet.

[susanna]

10. I think this is very telling. n/t

[shanny]

13. The beatings will continue

until morale improves?

[delisen]

16. Non-violent protests yes; violent no.

[Gothmog]

19. Yep

[Orsino]

21. Stein won't admit yet how much worse a Trump presidency is than another Clinton Administration.

As she no longer holds any elected office, I'm in no hurry.

[TheBlackAdder]

23. JFC! Not another one of these equating Stein with Sanders threads.

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The Dems do not have the power and if they push for impeachment, it will make Trump looks like a victim.

The GOP will close ranks... yet again.


Trump is slowly destroying the Republican Party. The longer he is in office, the worse it will be for Cons.

Any pressure for impeachment must occur by the GOP first, when they realize their ship is almost under water.

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[Autumn]

24. As much as I would love to see Trump impeached, that's how much I don't want Pence to be president.

I just want Trump dirtied and exposed for what he is. For History.

[BoneyardDem]

25. "jumping the gun"? Is that what's been holding back Republicans and Trump?

...holding them back from chanting "Lock her up", the constant calls for Obama's impeachment, the constant tweeting rhetoric about both Bill and Hillary Clinton and their foundation and nuclear deals, illegal and immoral and criminal?......that sort of jumping the gun?

There is absolutely and positively a method and a political strategy to loudly proclaiming the wants and desires of the public and making sure than no one is immune to the laws of the land. Why should Trump be allowed to guess that what he is doing is ok with the public? Why should anyone want Trump to think that his corruption is going unnoticed? Scream it loud on every street corner until everyone realizes that this absolutely could be Trump's future.

There is strength in numbers and we see this from the Right all the time...one person makes the call, and suddenly that bandwagon is fall of the same carolers.

Why is it that Dems cannot use the same psychological advantages of strength in numbers? We are not so stupid as to know that impeachment would happen without following the Constitutional rules set forth. But still we are alwas being told to hold back on shit, why us that? Oh wait....we should have that all figured out by now. Dems are being told over and over (with a clear agenda in mind) they are supposed to play by another set of rules designed to make them forget they are part of a strong, majority collective, make they think that they are fewer in numbers. Hush hush little Dems, and stand obediently and quietly in a corner until asked to speak. Fuck that shit.

Jumping the gun.... my ass. Nothing wrong with giving the nation some hope and sending Trump a message.

[NCTraveler]

27. Pelosi must go!!!!

Or something like that.

[Ferrets are Cool]

28. Why don't you list all the Democrats that are NOT calling for impeachment too?

This is ingenuous.

[TomCADem]

38. That Is My Point. They Have The Same Position as "Establishment" Democrats

Some folks on DU attack Democrats as being "establishment" and weak on the issue of impeachment, but the so-called anti-establishment members of the left are not exactly demanding that Trump be impeached. Do you hear Susan Sarandon chant lock-him-up? Is Jill Stein calling for Trump to be jailed. Heck, Jill Stein is actually defending Trump on the question of Russian interference. Finally, even Bernie has tried to tamp down calls for impeachment.

Thus, the hoopla about Democrats being to meek on impeachment is what is false. To the contrary, you have Democrats like Al Green and Ted Lieu loudly raising the issue of impeachment. Not the so-called anti-establishment members of the left.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

41. I have a news flash for you: they also agree on like 98% of the rest of issues.

[TomCADem]

43. Thank You! Exactly My Point.

nt

[Sophia4]

32. We have to get a majority in the House and Senate that will support

impeachment before we can impeach.

The focus should be on getting that majority, a Democratic majority or at least candidates who would vote for impeachment.

Although impeachment may be the ultimate goal, it is a waste of time to spend too much energy focusing on it now when we are in the minority and can't pass an impeachment measure through the House, much less through the Senate.

Let's do the doable, and let's do what needs to be done first, first.

Impeachment is a bit of a pipe-dream at this point. And discussion of it takes away from focus on the real goal which is to get a Democratic majority in Congress.

[LanternWaste]

33. In regards to Due Process, you appear all over the map

In regards to Due Process (allowing even for your overly-broad definition), you appear all over the map-- dependent only on who is sitting in the chair at the time...

[Oneironaut]

37. The concern is that waiting for a "perfect time" means that you let all reasonable times pass.

There won't be a perfect time for impeachment. Also, just because impeachment isn't possible now doesn't mean that Democrats need to remain quiet and let Trump do whatever he wants without making a fuss.

[TomCADem]

39. Personally. I would push for aggressive investigations, then impeachment.

Do I think Trump has done enough to warrant impeachment? Probably. However, as bad as Trump is, you have a Republican Congress that has been complicit and has aided and abetted Trump by trying to shut down any investigations. Look at Nunes getting caught red-handed reading Trump talking points.

My take is that Democrats should loudly call out Republicans generally for covering up for Trump and trying to short circuit the Mueller investigation. Then, if and when they get control of Congress, then conduct a vigorous investigation, which would disclose the crimes committed by Trump.

While they are at it, pass a law that removes the confidentiality of tax returns for a major party's candidate for President. Federal law provides that tax returns are confidential. Lift the confidentiality if they become President or are the party's candidate.

[Cha]

42. Of course, jill stein isn't..

[ProudLib72]

44. I think it was a bit disingenuous to pair Stein with Sanders in the OP

I don't know of many DUers who still believe Stein is not involved somehow in collusion. That being the case, I read the OP to mean that Sanders, too, is somehow complicit.

[Cha]

45. I think it was more

like pointing out that Dems aren't the only ones who aren't jumping on the impeachment band wagon right now.

Personally, I think it should play out, too. We're still waiting for Mueller's report.