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This: (Original Post) kpete Dec 2017 OP
KICK Angry Dragon Dec 2017 #1
So true. AJT Dec 2017 #2
it appears there is nothing KT2000 Dec 2017 #3
un-loyal opposition. pansypoo53219 Dec 2017 #4
Party Before Country SeaDoo77 Dec 2017 #5
Fixed it for you Bob Loblaw Dec 2017 #23
Good point. Jane Austin Dec 2017 #6
Vote em out!! Kajun Gal Dec 2017 #7
Yes. I heard a woman (some expert) on tv talk about this, her concerns. Honeycombe8 Dec 2017 #8
And that's exactly why I felt so destroyed on election night. nt Rorey Dec 2017 #9
No answer to a Putin riddled Congress. kairos12 Dec 2017 #10
The Pukes were a problem shanny Dec 2017 #29
Too many slimy GOP snakes. We'll be rid of their majority in 2018. oasis Dec 2017 #11
Yes, BUT Scarsdale Dec 2017 #24
And CU. notdarkyet Dec 2017 #25
So true, and we all here have known this foe ages.. pangaia Dec 2017 #12
K&R nt ProudProgressiveNow Dec 2017 #13
K & R...for truth...nt Wounded Bear Dec 2017 #14
BLOCK HEADS Goonch Dec 2017 #15
Im sitting in my car and that song is on the radio!!! stopwastingmymoney Dec 2017 #46
Our Founding Fathers never saw this coming. BigmanPigman Dec 2017 #16
IMHO Congress (as an institutional body) Volaris Dec 2017 #19
Somehow, they managed Scarsdale Dec 2017 #26
Mitch McConnell being gone would be the furthest thing from a loss... maddiemom Dec 2017 #38
No comment on the post right above yours? mr_lebowski Dec 2017 #20
I think they expected people to refine the constitution Kentonio Dec 2017 #30
The Constitutional check on this kind of chief executive, Volaris Dec 2017 #31
I didn't mean to sound like I was disagreeing with you, just elaborating a bit on what I assume ... mr_lebowski Dec 2017 #39
I should have been more concise, I know I rambled a bit on the original reply Volaris Dec 2017 #42
"We don't need no thought control".....Putin, Fux Ruse. BigmanPigman Dec 2017 #35
Now we're talking! mr_lebowski Dec 2017 #40
k and r...Rs in Congress are as much of the problem as Trump is Stuart G Dec 2017 #17
They don't make Republicans like they used to IronLionZion Dec 2017 #18
Ryan and McConnell are on Russia pay roll uponit7771 Dec 2017 #21
Also... Mike Nelson Dec 2017 #22
republicans have betrayed America Achilleaze Dec 2017 #27
Amen! ...nt 2naSalit Dec 2017 #28
This reality is what has made me sleepless most nights. PearliePoo2 Dec 2017 #32
Yep rock Dec 2017 #33
well said totally agree Citizens United and all the $$ it brought to Congress critters is it Rene Dec 2017 #34
Indeed, it is the Republicans. kentuck Dec 2017 #36
Congress cannot check Trump because they are guilty of the same crimes. nt Irish_Dem Dec 2017 #37
Party above Country. Lifelong Protester Dec 2017 #41
K & R chia Dec 2017 #43
K & R Chemisse Dec 2017 #44
plus the dark money donors, and rigged elections at all levels of government diva77 Dec 2017 #45
K & R. n/t DemSoc Dec 2017 #47

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
8. Yes. I heard a woman (some expert) on tv talk about this, her concerns.
Wed Dec 27, 2017, 11:01 PM
Dec 2017

She stated that our system of government was not set up or intended to protect our democracy against the kind of all-out corruption we are experiencing. No one thought that such a thing was likely in our country.

I forget who she was. She was on MSNBC...an older woman, I think. Not a politician or pundit. She was some expert of some sort. If I had to guess, I'd guess she's an author or a professor.

It was scary to hear her say that. That we may not be able to defend against the all-out assault that's going on, because of the Senators and Representatives who are part of it. And now the judiciary, and cabinet members, and department/agency heads. It's like an Octopus with tentacles that are reaching into all parts of our government, aided and abetted by those in power.

 

shanny

(6,709 posts)
29. The Pukes were a problem
Thu Dec 28, 2017, 08:08 AM
Dec 2017

long before Putin, or Trump.

Remember candidate Nixon's secret overtures to the Vietnamese, and candidate Raygun's to Iran?

This shouldn't be a surprise to anyone.

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
24. Yes, BUT
Thu Dec 28, 2017, 07:41 AM
Dec 2017

how much damage will be done before they are booted out? That disgusting display of them all taking turns genuflecting to their "leader" was an eye opener. Does he have the dirt on all of them, and is he using blackmail to keep them in line? Greedy bastards have been selling the country for years, behind the scenes. Now they feel free to do it openly, with tRump at the helm and the Russian $$$$ and dirty tricks in their corner. We had better take action, SOON.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
12. So true, and we all here have known this foe ages..
Wed Dec 27, 2017, 11:47 PM
Dec 2017

So,THIS needs to be blasted from the roof tops by our democratic congress folks...

I have asked my two several times.. no luck yet, unless I have missed it.. Schumer and Gillibrand

BigmanPigman

(51,582 posts)
16. Our Founding Fathers never saw this coming.
Wed Dec 27, 2017, 11:56 PM
Dec 2017

Equal branches, checks and balances, etc. This is the real problem. Since so much that is currently occurring has no precedents the constitutional scholars are at a loss. What can be done? This is completely uncharted territory and the 25th Amend., The Emoluments Claus, pardons....is not being addressed and will not be enforced. We have TREASON committed on national and state levels and the media is involved as well. This is beyond a constitutional crisis!

Volaris

(10,269 posts)
19. IMHO Congress (as an institutional body)
Thu Dec 28, 2017, 12:30 AM
Dec 2017

Has abdicated waaaayyyy too much political power to the Executive Branch since the beginning of the Great Depression for the sake of political laziness. I'll cop that not all of it was bad, but mostly...yeah.

Can you imagine the kind of fit the Congress would have had, if a post - civil war Executive had sought even a quarter of the level of political power a modern president wields?? I can't either, and Congressional political territorialism was the check that made sure those executives knew it, too...

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
26. Somehow, they managed
Thu Dec 28, 2017, 07:52 AM
Dec 2017

to block President Obama in many, many ways. A decent man, trying to make the country whole and equal. Now they have the greedy, self absorbed, VILE, orange shitgibbon in the WH, and they pull out all the stops. Cut him loose. WHY? Do they admire him because he has no morals, no intelligence, just forges ahead like a spoiled child? Imagine a democratic president getting his entire family into office (unpaid, supposedly) and costing taxpayers millions month protecting their greedy asses? Impeachment would have been implemented months ago. Here is one of the truly idiotic people EVER to run for office, getting his butt kissed in public by these men who expect citizens to vote for them. What are we missing in this fiasco? The entire world can see what a clown tRump is, yet the gop continues to (publicly) protect him. WHY? Blackmail? Russian money and dirty tricks? Surely, they can see what the entire world sees when tRump appears. The man is a joke. Unfortunately the joke is on the ordinary citizens of this country.

maddiemom

(5,106 posts)
38. Mitch McConnell being gone would be the furthest thing from a loss...
Thu Dec 28, 2017, 01:57 PM
Dec 2017

a blessing for the country, rather. He's been an on the record obstructionist, and out of hand since President Obama's inauguration day. He's just as blatant since Trump slithered in, and just can't seem to keep the shit-eating grin off his face these days. Paul Ryan? No words are sufficient.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
20. No comment on the post right above yours?
Thu Dec 28, 2017, 02:40 AM
Dec 2017

Not that I don't appreciate your post, but ... kinda disappointed

Or maybe you crossed wires, given they're only 5 mins apart ... cause I thought when I saw your post directly under that one ... you'd have addressed it

I do think you're right insofar as they couldn't foresee an era when communication would be instant, allowing for easy coordination among an entire 'political party' ... on a moments notice.

In fact, they didn't really even foresee a 'two party system', originally. Rather, they thought (quite logically, given the era) that everything in politics would remain very 'regional', not that there'd develop 'two opposing parties aligned by differing general ideologies'. I think they thought regional concerns would basically amount to many dozens of 'parties' existing.

How we ended up settling for this two-party system ... where one of two, whichever has even the tiniest of majorities ... basically has nearly unchecked powers ... completely baffles me. I think the Founders would turn in their graves if they saw what we've allowed to happen since they set out their framework.

 

Kentonio

(4,377 posts)
30. I think they expected people to refine the constitution
Thu Dec 28, 2017, 08:13 AM
Dec 2017

As flaws became apparent and as times changed. It wasn't intended to be treated as the sacred untouchable thing it is today. It's such a dangerous way of thinking too.

Volaris

(10,269 posts)
31. The Constitutional check on this kind of chief executive,
Thu Dec 28, 2017, 08:33 AM
Dec 2017

IS a territorial Congress, is the point I was trying to make. Sorry it was lost in translation, so to speak.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
39. I didn't mean to sound like I was disagreeing with you, just elaborating a bit on what I assume ...
Thu Dec 28, 2017, 03:52 PM
Dec 2017

You were getting at

BigmanPigman

(51,582 posts)
35. "We don't need no thought control".....Putin, Fux Ruse.
Thu Dec 28, 2017, 10:15 AM
Dec 2017

And...."toys in the attic, crazy, truly gone fishing...they must have taken his marbles away"...the fake prez and those who aided and support him. Roger Waters is an ending source of politically and socially related lyrics. When I became a teacher his song (posted above) was always in the back of my mind.

I seem to recall that there was another party for awhile. The Federalists, then The Whigs were a serious party from 1790-1824. The other major party was the "democrat and republican party". Can you imagine our current bipartisan Congress actually being a single, joint party? The fake prez and his cobal would be hanged.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
40. Now we're talking!
Thu Dec 28, 2017, 03:57 PM
Dec 2017

The evidence ... before the court is ... in-con-tra-ver-table
There's no need for the jury to retire
In all my years of judging I have never heard be-fo-ah
Of someone more DESERVING of the full PENALTY of LAW

IronLionZion

(45,409 posts)
18. They don't make Republicans like they used to
Thu Dec 28, 2017, 12:26 AM
Dec 2017

it's a sign of how far they've fallen when Barry Goldwater sounds more reasonable.

Mike Nelson

(9,951 posts)
22. Also...
Thu Dec 28, 2017, 05:20 AM
Dec 2017

...the voters did their job, in spite of the suppression. The win by Gore was close - but both GW Bush and Trump were clear losers. The Electoral College conflicts with its own Constitution. Of course, the Republicans are in charge of everything and won't make a change.

Rene

(1,183 posts)
34. well said totally agree Citizens United and all the $$ it brought to Congress critters is it
Thu Dec 28, 2017, 10:05 AM
Dec 2017

at the center of this crises

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