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Thu Dec 28, 2017, 02:14 PM

Above the Law-For Republicans, All Black Vote Is Fraud

Moore's complaint is really sad but reflects the belief that the GOP considers all votes by non-whites to be fraudulent https://abovethelaw.com/2017/12/for-gop-all-black-vote-is-fraud/?rf=1

But it’s important that Moore is refusing to concede and it’s important that he’s using the old Republican canard of “voter fraud” as the foundation for his baseless lawsuit. What Moore is trying to do is nothing less than undermine an American election. And his efforts are just as dangerous as whatever the Russians did in the national election, even if Moore isn’t as effective as the Russians. Moore is telling his supporters — which still include a majority of white women and a super-majority of white men in Alabama — that they didn’t really “lose,” they were “cheated.” And you don’t have to be Superman to hear that Moore wants his supporters to know that black people did the cheating:

Mr. Moore’s court filing ran for dozens of pages, and it argued that returns in Jefferson County, the state’s most populous county, “confirmed election fraud.” It also said that turnout in the county was suspiciously high; it suggested that Mr. Jones had benefited from voter intimidation; and it argued that Mr. Moore’s opponents had spread “lies and fraudulent misrepresentations.”

For Moore and his supporters, the black vote just seems fraudulent. Not fraudulent in a way that can be supported by any evidentiary standard, but these people look at the black vote as a prima facie indication of voter fraud. If you pan the camera back from Alabama, you’ll find millions and millions of white people who simply can’t understand the black vote. Those white people think “massive, systemic voter fraud” is a likely explanation. Those white people also think Occam’s Razor is made by Gillette......

Republicans have no desire to actually encourage black people to vote for them — they don’t want black people in their party beyond mere tokenism (hi Tim Scott, you keep shining those shoes and I’m sure bossman McConnell will have your committee chairmanship just as soon as he can). There is no outreach, there is no even basic understanding of the issues that face black America. I promise you there isn’t a Republican strategist who could even EXPLAIN what’s going on between Cornel West and Ta-Nehisi Coates, much less devise a strategy to position Republican candidates on one side or the other.

I am tired of the GOP using the claim of voter fraud to try to suppress the vote. I am glad that Moore's lawsuit was rejected

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Reply Above the Law-For Republicans, All Black Vote Is Fraud (Original post)
Gothmog Dec 2017 OP
dalton99a Dec 2017 #1
thbobby Dec 2017 #2
ProudLib72 Dec 2017 #3
Gothmog Dec 2017 #4
ProudLib72 Dec 2017 #7
Gothmog Dec 2017 #12
ProudLib72 Dec 2017 #14
Ilsa Dec 2017 #5
sheshe2 Dec 2017 #6
Eliot Rosewater Dec 2017 #9
sheshe2 Dec 2017 #10
Gothmog Dec 2017 #13
mythology Dec 2017 #16
Cha Dec 2017 #8
brer cat Dec 2017 #11
irisblue Dec 2017 #15

Response to Gothmog (Original post)

Thu Dec 28, 2017, 02:17 PM

1. It's the same old "Only White People Matter"

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Response to Gothmog (Original post)

Thu Dec 28, 2017, 02:36 PM

2. Black Americans vote Democratic

So the GOP suppresses their vote showing no shame.

Well, you Russian Jerk Offs

Women vote Democratic too. And their preference for Dems is growing.

Time to suppress women voters?

And, Republican Mafia

Americans vote Democratic too. Only the old white fox watching men can stomach you.

Seems a fascist state is the only solution to save your soulless mafia political party.

Trump is your Fuhrer. Too bad he is so god damn stupid. But birds of a feather flock together. Right?

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Response to Gothmog (Original post)

Thu Dec 28, 2017, 02:40 PM

3. This pisses me off to no end

I remember reading an article at the time of the election about black people being dropped from the rolls. If there was any cheating going on, it was the rethugs doing it!

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Response to ProudLib72 (Reply #3)

Thu Dec 28, 2017, 02:46 PM

4. The GOP is the party of voter suppression

The GOP uses lies about voter fraud to justify voter suppression. Voter id laws only stop one type of fraud-in person voter impersonation which is a type of fraud that does not exist in the real world. In the North Carolina, Penn., and Texas lawsuits, the GOP could not point to any examples of this type of voter fraud.

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Response to Gothmog (Reply #4)

Thu Dec 28, 2017, 03:27 PM

7. The thing that really upsets me about all this

Is that moore will have been ranting about it, getting his supporters all worked up, convincing the low information voters that Dems are cheating. Yet there will be very little reporting about how wrong he was. There will be next to no reporting of voter suppression from rethugs. In the end, the narrative about how Dems cheat will remain strong.

I wish there was a way to push the voter suppression stories! I guess they just don't make for thrilling news the way moore riding his horse to the polls does.

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Response to ProudLib72 (Reply #7)

Thu Dec 28, 2017, 06:07 PM

12. We won a major legal victory in Texas on the Voter id law and we still have issues

The good guys won a major victory with respect to the Texas voter id law in part because the State of Texas had no proof of voter fraud. A new AG tried to argue before the trial judge that the Texas voter id law was needed due to fraud and judge jumped on her. http://www.caller.com/story/news/politics/elections/2017/02/28/voter-id-hearing-set-tuesday/98493448/

A federal judge who previously found Texas lawmakers disenfranchised minority voters when it passed a voter ID law questioned state lawyers Tuesday who denied legislators intended it to be discriminatory.

U.S. District Judge Nelva Gonzales Ramos interrupted Texas Assistant Attorney General Angela Colmenero three times during a hearing in the Corpus Christi courtroom. The judge questioned the lawyer's arguments meant to prove the legislators did not have ill intent and the law drew wide public support.

Despite these rulings, we still had GOP election workers tell voters that they needed the limited set of ids. Luckily, we had poll watchers out watching for this and got these election workers to stop lying about the law and the court's ruling.

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Response to Gothmog (Reply #12)

Thu Dec 28, 2017, 08:30 PM

14. We now have to deal with the Kobach commission

I can easily see them screwing over marginalized voters in 2018 and again in 2020. That's the major issue as I see it: you have these small wins, but can you really compete against tRump's commission (and the rethug narrative at large)? Kobach already has wide notoriety, for good or bad, but notoriety all the same. Everyone knows about the voter fraud commission. Think of how many low information people are willing to believe that the existence of the commission implies there is rampant voter fraud. We've had tRump pushing the fraud angle from well before November 2016, and the commission promotes that lie.

Sorry I'm being so pessimistic. I'm not trying to downplay the significance of the TX decision. I'm just mad as hell about the RW getting away with so much suppression and no one being aware of it.

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Response to Gothmog (Original post)

Thu Dec 28, 2017, 02:55 PM

5. Moore can't believe so many people were pissed off

at him enough to go bother to vote against him or stay at home if they had supported him before.

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Response to Gothmog (Original post)

Thu Dec 28, 2017, 03:07 PM

6. Fugg them.

They can't win without cheating. It makes me sick. So happy his lawsuit was rejected and voters told him to F**K OFF!

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #6)

Thu Dec 28, 2017, 04:39 PM

9. People are confused, there are WAY more of us than them, that is why

the election was stolen.

Remember the polls the day of the election?

It was stolen on election day by on the ground KGB agents and others flipping votes. When everybody who wants to vote is allowed to vote, we win the VAST vast majority of elections.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #9)

Thu Dec 28, 2017, 04:43 PM

10. We need to keep this momentum going.

...throughout 2018 and beyond.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #9)

Thu Dec 28, 2017, 06:09 PM

13. I heard from my sources that the Democrats had good number of poll watchers out

There were people on the ground helping voters get around the Alabama voter id law. The GOP attempted to suppress the vote but the party and the outside groups were ready for these efforts

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #9)

Thu Dec 28, 2017, 08:42 PM

16. This is absolutely inaccurate

 

The polls before the election were off by less than in 2012. That is objective fact.


http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/campaign/315145-one-last-look-2016-polls-actually-got-a-lot-right

National polling did much better in 2016 than in 2012, when the average of the final polls in the contest between President Obama and GOP nominee Mitt Romney was off by more than 3 points. Polls showed Obama winning the popular vote by only seven-tenths of a point, and on Election Day he captured a wider 3.9-point vote margin.

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Response to Gothmog (Original post)

Thu Dec 28, 2017, 03:36 PM

8. And, the dumbshits believe the dumbshit..

Just like trumputin idiots.. whatever "fraud" or "fake" accusation trump throws out there.. the brainwashed idiots suck up.

roy moore is a poor loser and will go down in history as the racist, ugly pervert that he is.

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Response to Gothmog (Original post)

Thu Dec 28, 2017, 04:51 PM

11. Black people are to blame!!

How typically republican.

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Response to Gothmog (Original post)

Thu Dec 28, 2017, 08:36 PM

15. Al.com article todays date.

Al.com & Roy Moore cross posted to Alabama group
posted out of sequence
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There's irony here we can't whistle past: The former Chief Justice of the Alabama Supreme Court lost his election court battle because the court where he filed his lawsuit said it didn't have jurisdiction to hear the case.
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No matter how rapidly he could recite scripture nor how fluidly he could quote the founding fathers, Moore was never that bright. His argument depended, in part, on the Supremacy Clause of the United States Constitution -- something Moore has been fighting against for his entire political career. But perhaps he knew that if he pleaded his case before a federal court, instead of state, he might be struck by lightning or, if not, disprove the existence of God.
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And Alabama has seen how Moore loses. In the end, it didn't matter whether he conceded or not. There's no law that says the election doesn't count if he doesn't concede, any more than a football team may go to the playoffs if it refuses to recognize the final score.

Roy Moore was nobody's hero. But he lost, and that made this sorry movie worth watching.


Worth the time to read.

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