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Response to Post removed (Original post)

Mon Dec 12, 2011, 10:19 PM

1. of course he can afford to do that

he has lots already

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Response to demtenjeep (Reply #1)

Mon Dec 12, 2011, 10:21 PM

4. Do you know his net worth?

 

Seriously. He hasn't been a doctor in years...What do Reps make? And has he published any books like our POTUS (now a multimillionaire).

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Response to sadge goddess (Reply #4)

Mon Dec 12, 2011, 10:24 PM

7. I will never defend any repuke

he obviously has enough money he can run multiple times

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Response to sadge goddess (Reply #4)

Mon Dec 12, 2011, 10:27 PM

14. $4.9 million.

My moms net worth is probably $2000.

My net worth is a bit over that.

My brother's net worth is likely -$50000.

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Response to Post removed (Original post)

Mon Dec 12, 2011, 10:20 PM

2. I thought this thread title would be satire. ( n/t )

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Response to Post removed (Original post)

Mon Dec 12, 2011, 10:21 PM

3. smile at his gimmicks, then cry over his policies if elected.

 

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Response to leftyohiolib (Reply #3)

Mon Dec 12, 2011, 10:23 PM

5. I dunno about that...

 

I am crying now at the drone attacks (Paul wants to end all military involvements, as well as close bases around the world).

I am crying at the verge of complete scariness regarding the pending Senate bill where we'd all be at risk for being disappeared.

Paul cannot dismantle Social Security by himself (and I doubt he's such a fanatic that he'd even try to encourage it).

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Response to sadge goddess (Reply #5)

Mon Dec 12, 2011, 10:39 PM

30. Maybe

I am crying now at the drone attacks (Paul wants to end all military involvements, as well as close bases around the world).

I am crying at the verge of complete scariness regarding the pending Senate bill where we'd all be at risk for being disappeared.


....stop kidding yourself. Ron Paul is a racist, anti-government demagogue. Everything he does benefits the GOP and the rich.

One person voted against the original Afghanistan AUMF

Barbara Lee

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2001/roll342.xml

Ron Paul voted yes.


In 2007, the House voted to 218 to 212 to Set Date for Iraq Pullout

House, 218 to 212, Votes to Set Date for Iraq Pullout

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/24/washington/24cong.html

Ron Paul voted no.

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2007/roll186.xml


In 2007, Ron Paul introduced the Marque and Reprisal Act of 2007

Marque and Reprisal Act of 2007 - Authorizes and requests the President to issue letters of marque and reprisal to commission privately armed and equipped persons and entities to seize outside of the United States the person and property of Osama bin Laden, of any al Qaeda co-conspirator, and any conspirator with Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda who are responsible for the air piratical aggressions against the United States on September 11, 2001, and for any planned similar acts or acts of war against the United States in the future.

States that no letter of marque and reprisal shall be issued without the posting of a security bond in such amount as the President determines sufficient to ensure the letter's execution.

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-110hr3216ih/pdf/BILLS-110hr3216ih.pdf


Of course when he introduced it in 2001, it was "for the capture, alive or dead, of Osama bin Laden or any other al Qaeda conspirator"

September 11 Marque and Reprisal Act of 2001

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(b) The President of the United States is authorized to place a money bounty, drawn in his discretion from the $40,000,000,000 appropriated on September 14, 2001, in the Emergency Supplemental Appropriations Act for Recovery from and Response to Terrorists Attacks on the United States or from private sources, for the capture, alive or dead, of Osama bin Laden or any other al Qaeda conspirator responsible for the act of air piracy upon the United States on September 11, 2001, under the authority of any letter of marque or reprisal issued under this Act.

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-107hr3076ih/pdf/BILLS-107hr3076ih.pdf



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Response to leftyohiolib (Reply #3)

Mon Dec 12, 2011, 10:24 PM

8. Not more money than Obama

 

But anyways, yeah we'll cry over ending the wars.

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Response to Post removed (Original post)

Mon Dec 12, 2011, 10:24 PM

6. Smile? I wince.

He's a pandering buffoon with racist radical views that have no place in modern society.

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Response to trotsky (Reply #6)

Mon Dec 12, 2011, 10:25 PM

10. Bring it.

 

Tell me EXACTLY why. I keep hearing this on DU: "He's a racist" and rarely, if ever, are there any actual factoids to back up their claims.

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Response to sadge goddess (Reply #10)

Mon Dec 12, 2011, 10:28 PM

16. There is this thing called "Teh Google".

I suggest you learn how to use it, instead of demanding others to do the work for you.


Enjoy your stay.

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Response to Ikonoklast (Reply #16)

Mon Dec 12, 2011, 10:34 PM

23. LOL- Is pizza still on the menu 'round these parts?

 

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Response to sadge goddess (Reply #23)

Mon Dec 12, 2011, 10:59 PM

46. Why, since you asked, yes, yes it is.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=278815&sub=trans


Asshat Ron Paul has idiots for cult members who don't realize he's nothing but a corporatist Republican who puts corporations before citizens, yet says "Constitution!" in order to fool the simple-minded.

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Response to sadge goddess (Reply #10)

Mon Dec 12, 2011, 10:29 PM

17. Here you go.

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2011/09/07/10-quotes-that-make-ron-paul-sound-racist/

You seem like such a big Paul fan, are you sure you're on the right message board?

I call your attention to one quote in particular:

“There is no such thing as a hate crime.”

Do you agree with Ron Paul?

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Response to trotsky (Reply #17)

Mon Dec 12, 2011, 10:36 PM

27. The only thing I ever agreed with Dubya (and apparently Paul)

 

is that they're ALL hate crimes! LOL- are you gonna tell me that a husband killing his wife when she announces she's leaving him should serve less time than someone killing another person because of their ethnicity/sexuality? That is insulting! Murder is murder!

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Response to sadge goddess (Reply #27)

Mon Dec 12, 2011, 11:06 PM

53. yes they should

the first person is not a general threat to society, only to those he marries. The first crime is also easier to deter. The second criminal is way more dangerous to society in that he will attack anyone he thinks is gay, or black, or whatever. It also is harder to deter hate crimes.

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Response to sadge goddess (Reply #10)

Mon Dec 12, 2011, 10:35 PM

25. He thinks the Civil Rights Act should be repealed.

He wants to go back to the "good old days" of Jim Crow laws, businesses denying services to people of a different race, and segregated schools. Sure sounds racist to me.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #18)

Mon Dec 12, 2011, 10:30 PM

21. Another Paul fan?

What message board am I on?

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Response to trotsky (Reply #21)

Mon Dec 12, 2011, 10:41 PM

32. A far healthier, balanced one!

 

The change is awesome! I applaud Skinner for this!

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Response to Post removed (Original post)

Mon Dec 12, 2011, 10:25 PM

9. I want to pay my elected officials more not less

 

but then make sure they are banned from lobbying and taking any funds from corporations. And pay them a bonus if they actually balance a budget and get America back to business!

Fuck letting the corporations own our politicians!

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Response to think (Reply #9)

Mon Dec 12, 2011, 10:35 PM

26. I rather vote in men of integrity who take their oath to the constitution seriously.

 

If that were the case there would be a clear line separating the corporations from the politicians. Governemnt wouldn't be in the business of doing favors for corporations they would be in the business of protecting our borders and inalienable rights.

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Response to zforce (Reply #26)

Mon Dec 12, 2011, 10:44 PM

34. in an ideal world that would be great. in reality we get what we pay for JMO

 

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Response to Post removed (Original post)

Mon Dec 12, 2011, 10:26 PM

11. Fuck Racist Loon Ron Paul And Everyone That Wants Me To Admire Him.

Paulistas can all go piss up a rope.

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Response to Ikonoklast (Reply #11)

Mon Dec 12, 2011, 10:27 PM

13. Exhibit A

 

No substance whatsoever. Which only serves to make me think that perhaps he's better than I thought...

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Response to sadge goddess (Reply #13)

Mon Dec 12, 2011, 10:30 PM

19. Go away with your Paulista bullshit.

"Teh Google", use it.

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Response to Ikonoklast (Reply #19)

Mon Dec 12, 2011, 10:38 PM

29. Teh overused DU phrases

 

Get new ones.

(P.S. Thanks for underscoring my suspicions about you. You. Got. Nothing. Probably just repeating what others have said but never bothered to investigate for yourself.)

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Response to sadge goddess (Reply #29)

Mon Dec 12, 2011, 10:48 PM

37. You must be a re-tread.

Been here all of two days, and quite familiar with what happens to morons who support racist Republicans who call themselves "Libertarians" to fool gullible witless droolers who actually believe his bullshit.

And, quite frankly, about me, you know exactly nil.

There have been others in this thread who did the work for you, but I see you choose to ignore what an asshat Paul is and not read or rebut them with factual evidence to the contrary; i.e., his voting record, any speeches he might have made, etc.

Who got nothing?

Paulistas who always use that same line about "investigating him for yourself".

Straight out of the Cult of Paul handbook.

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Response to Post removed (Original post)

Mon Dec 12, 2011, 10:26 PM

12. What's

To offer to take only a $39K salary as President (reflecting the country's median incomes) is a populist move that may win over a lot of voters tired of these candidates running in order to line their pockets. Whether you are on the other side, an independent or a fed-up Dem, you gotta smile at Paul's tactics.


...preventing him from foregoing his Congressional salary to prove his point?

In fact, have his kooky son join him to make a bigger statement.

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Response to ProSense (Reply #12)

Mon Dec 12, 2011, 10:32 PM

22. He is running for Prez now

 

I believe this is something of a stunt but I think it's an ingenious one, given Romney's out-of-touch bet and Newt's hateful smearing of poor people.

This is great because it shows Paul as a caring person. I don't care for Libertarianism but I believe that we got in this clusterf*ck economy because of the war expenditures. It is also very bad karma.

The best part of this whole thing is that it is an attention-getter for a candidate marginalized by the mouthpiece for the Military Industrial Complex

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Response to Post removed (Original post)

Mon Dec 12, 2011, 10:28 PM

15. I really hope Paul doesn't run as a 3rd party

And take votes away from Obama- but I do like this- it will be interesting to see if any other canindates even comment on this

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Response to Dragonbreathp9d (Reply #15)

Mon Dec 12, 2011, 10:42 PM

33. Why would he take votes from Obama?

If anything, considering the Republican field, he would vacuum votes away from whoever manages to stumble out of that political train wreck known as the Republican primary.

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Response to toddwv (Reply #33)

Mon Dec 12, 2011, 10:49 PM

39. I think he would take some votes from each

 

because many younger voters like Ron Paul. Younger voters tend to vote more Democratic, so he would pull some votes from Obama.

I do think he would pull move votes from the Republican simply because most people who pay attention would be to smart to vote for crazy uncle Paul, even if they are young.


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Response to Post removed (Original post)

Mon Dec 12, 2011, 10:30 PM

20. It's nice Ron Paul can afford to only take a $39K salary

Of course, that's what he's saying now, but if by some chance he were actually elected would he keep that promise? Luckily we'll probably never find out. Ron Paul is, and has always been, a kook.

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Response to Post removed (Original post)

Mon Dec 12, 2011, 10:34 PM

24. California governors often take no salary. It's more of a stunt than a proposal.

 

After all, as far as I know he has no problem collecting his current salary.

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Response to Post removed (Original post)

Mon Dec 12, 2011, 10:37 PM

28. I think you took a wrong turn somewhere

This is a Democratic forum.

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Response to guitar man (Reply #28)

Mon Dec 12, 2011, 10:40 PM

31. So? I am seeing OPs on Newt, Romney, etc.

 

I just read this on HuffPo, for your information. I am able to appreciate ideas from other parties. I think this is great.

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Response to guitar man (Reply #28)

Mon Dec 12, 2011, 10:47 PM

36. Indeed,

 

this a a democratic forum as is my neighborhood, though 75 percent of them are changing their vote from obama to paul because they want someone who is more "democratic" than obama. Sure they don't like most of his demoestic policies but htey are smart enough to figure out there is no way he can change demestic policy, but hey do know he has the power to dramatically change our foreign policy footprint which they wholeheartedly believe he will do unlike obama.

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Response to zforce (Reply #36)

Mon Dec 12, 2011, 10:49 PM

38. You are a hoot.

You fool no one here, please believe me, we are all smarter than that.

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Response to Ikonoklast (Reply #38)

Mon Dec 12, 2011, 10:51 PM

41. OK. whatever you say nt

 

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Response to zforce (Reply #36)

Mon Dec 12, 2011, 11:03 PM

48. Dude---your spelling is horrible.

 

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Response to trumad (Reply #48)

Mon Dec 12, 2011, 11:04 PM

51. New keyboard:)

 

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Response to zforce (Reply #51)

Mon Dec 12, 2011, 11:10 PM

58. Yeah. It is annoying how they keep changing the key order every year.

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Response to Post removed (Original post)

Mon Dec 12, 2011, 10:44 PM

35. Ron Paul is a racist asshole...

Nothing he says is going to win me over. or make me smile. He is a dangerous loon.

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Response to Post removed (Original post)

Mon Dec 12, 2011, 10:51 PM

40. Kick Ass!

The president and I will make the same amount of money! Though, the least among us will lose what raggedy-assed social safety net is left. People can smoke pot - during the two hours a day they aren't working at their dangerous, underpaid jobs (as long as the boss is OK with it since he can still piss test them.) and my wife and kids won't be able to join me at the "Whites Only" diner.

But other than those minor things - what a brilliant idea!

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #40)

Mon Dec 12, 2011, 10:54 PM

42. And you better hope that diner won't poison you.

Paul wants to eliminate the FDA.

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Response to Ikonoklast (Reply #42)

Mon Dec 12, 2011, 10:58 PM

44. i will heal myself with my bootstraps, dammit

then back to work.

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #44)

Mon Dec 12, 2011, 11:03 PM

50. HA! You think you'll be allowed to have boots?

Ron Paul's policies, if implemented, would make Feudalism look good.

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #40)

Mon Dec 12, 2011, 10:54 PM

43. Silly

 

without getting into an argument as to why that would never be the case you can be rest assured Paul's presidency would NOT have the power to change domestic policy, though it would change foreign policy in our favor.

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Response to zforce (Reply #43)

Mon Dec 12, 2011, 11:02 PM

47. That was the single most moronic thing I've read coming from the Paulistas.

And that's saying a LOT.

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Response to Ikonoklast (Reply #47)

Mon Dec 12, 2011, 11:03 PM

49. Obviosuly

 

You don't undertand the power of the presidency.

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Response to zforce (Reply #49)

Mon Dec 12, 2011, 11:05 PM

52. We currently have the strongest foreign policy president in office in the last fifty years.

You don't know what the hell you are talking about.

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Response to Ikonoklast (Reply #52)

Mon Dec 12, 2011, 11:10 PM

57. LOL

 

indeed the strongest foreign policy with regard to enhancing Bush's policy.

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Response to zforce (Reply #43)

Mon Dec 12, 2011, 11:08 PM

54. oh yeah you right the president has nothing to do with domestic policy

if ron paul had his way there would be no medicare, medicaid, social security, progressive income tax, minimum wage, worker safety laws, federaly subsidized school lunches and breakfasts, federal student loans or "evil" federal "goons" telling private property owners such as restaurant owners that they can't refuse my family service.

Don't act like you don't know these things. Sure, maybe he couldn't get those things done - but not for lack of trying.

Thanks but no thanks - I'll take my whishy-washy, moderate dem. prez over a right wing utopian (dystopian) enemy of every social policy that has helped the poor, elderly and working class American for three-quarters of a century

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #54)

Mon Dec 12, 2011, 11:13 PM

61. He woudln't have his way

 

He could try to convince people and the congress but I am sure its not going to work, but in the meantime with all that money coming back from the military it would be much easier to fund those programs.

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Response to Post removed (Original post)

Mon Dec 12, 2011, 10:59 PM

45. You smile at Paul's tactics like people used to smile at the weak and infirm

This is Ron Paul's Plan to Restore America:

http://www.ronpaul2012.com/the-issues/ron-paul-plan-to-restore-america/

It's more like "Ron Paul's Plan to Restore America to 1865." He also wants a federal "Right to Work" law, so we can finally get rid of those pesky unions once and for all. Oh yeah: he wants to get rid of the IRS, without explaining how he expects the taxes to be collected without a tax collection agency.

Seriously. Elect me President, and the first thing I will do is to propose the "Get Rid of the Republican Party Before It Gets Rid of Us Act" be passed into law.

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Response to Post removed (Original post)

Mon Dec 12, 2011, 11:08 PM

55. isn't one of his other ingenious proposals to ban all abortions?

 

why yes it is.

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Response to Post removed (Original post)

Mon Dec 12, 2011, 11:09 PM

56. Here's your sign



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Response to Post removed (Original post)

Mon Dec 12, 2011, 11:11 PM

59. That bigoted old fool gets no smile from me

 

Convoluted, self contradictory, homophobic, racist, sexist. delusional man who is worth millions and thinks he can pretend otherwise. Why would a millionaire like him need to take any salary at all?

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Response to Post removed (Original post)

Mon Dec 12, 2011, 11:13 PM

60. what's so ingenious....

 

....about this blatantly obvious proposal?....every 'stump' in this country understands, "...poor people don't run for president."

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