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bluestarone

(16,853 posts)
Tue Jan 2, 2018, 05:34 PM Jan 2018

if Mueller hands out indictments (President,his son ,Daughter, Son in law,speaker of house & so on)

Can Repubs in Congress stop any of it? After Mueller does his thing, who takes it from there? (please don't say Sessions,as he may be one indicted) would it be Rosentein?

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if Mueller hands out indictments (President,his son ,Daughter, Son in law,speaker of house & so on) (Original Post) bluestarone Jan 2018 OP
I would think the department of justice could stop all of it by refusing to prosecute. AJT Jan 2018 #1
No, Mueller is the prosecutor marylandblue Jan 2018 #3
Thus why they are trying to destroy him as we speak. Eliot Rosewater Jan 2018 #6
Exactly. That's why we must defend him at all costs. marylandblue Jan 2018 #9
My prediction is NY indicts trump on money laundering and Mueller indicts Eliot Rosewater Jan 2018 #13
Actually he's not the Prosecutor...he is leading the Investigation titaniumsalute Jan 2018 #20
See my post 5. on 28 CFR 600.6 marylandblue Jan 2018 #22
Yep you are correct and I stand corrected thank you titaniumsalute Jan 2018 #29
Mueller has full prosecutorial authority marylandblue Jan 2018 #2
AWESOME bluestarone Jan 2018 #4
And Mueller is gibraltar72 Jan 2018 #26
28 CFR 600.6 marylandblue Jan 2018 #5
Nice responses to the question. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #27
Thanks, maybe I will do that. marylandblue Jan 2018 #28
Mueller doesn't hand out indictments. USAs indict. Mueller convened grand juries. L. Coyote Jan 2018 #7
so possibly bluestarone Jan 2018 #10
One of the grand juries is in Eastern District of Virginia. See Flynn plea nad Manafort charges. L. Coyote Jan 2018 #14
In this case, the crimes are multiple jurisdiction or international marylandblue Jan 2018 #18
Mueller does not report to any US Attorney and USAs do not indict marylandblue Jan 2018 #16
My guess is that Trump's attorneys would appeal any prosecution of Trump to the Supreme Court. Jim__ Jan 2018 #8
But then maybe bluestarone Jan 2018 #11
He couldn't pardon anyone who is charged by a state. Jim__ Jan 2018 #15
They will certainly appeal marylandblue Jan 2018 #12
Is there a way to prevent a president from pardoning someone under federal charges? Jim__ Jan 2018 #17
No DetroitLegalBeagle Jan 2018 #19
Probably No, but maybe yes marylandblue Jan 2018 #21
Just your thinking. Do you feel the supreme court of today bluestarone Jan 2018 #23
My opinion is they will not save Trump marylandblue Jan 2018 #24
TY for that bluestarone Jan 2018 #25

Eliot Rosewater

(31,106 posts)
6. Thus why they are trying to destroy him as we speak.
Tue Jan 2, 2018, 05:44 PM
Jan 2018

If they are successful, we no longer have a country or laws.

Very scary.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
9. Exactly. That's why we must defend him at all costs.
Tue Jan 2, 2018, 05:47 PM
Jan 2018

And it's also why I am pretty sure he will indict Trump. He's been a lawman all his life, he does not intend for the rule of law to end on his watch.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,106 posts)
13. My prediction is NY indicts trump on money laundering and Mueller indicts
Tue Jan 2, 2018, 05:50 PM
Jan 2018

everybody else on election tampering, computer tampering.

And, Mueller could have an obstruction indictment in his back pocket on trump, too.

titaniumsalute

(4,742 posts)
20. Actually he's not the Prosecutor...he is leading the Investigation
Tue Jan 2, 2018, 06:03 PM
Jan 2018

It would need to be revealed to the DOJ and Congress. Nothing will be done as long as Repukes run the House.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
22. See my post 5. on 28 CFR 600.6
Tue Jan 2, 2018, 06:06 PM
Jan 2018

It says he has the same authority to investigate and prosecute as a US Attorney. They don't need authority from DOJ or Congress to prosecute.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
2. Mueller has full prosecutorial authority
Tue Jan 2, 2018, 05:38 PM
Jan 2018

He prosecutes and the courts decide. Republicans can raise a fuss, but they can't stop the prosecution.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
5. 28 CFR 600.6
Tue Jan 2, 2018, 05:43 PM
Jan 2018

"... the Special Counsel shall exercise, within the scope of his or her jurisdiction, the full power and independent authority to exercise all investigative and prosecutorial functions of any United States Attorney."


And just to be clear, US Attorneys themselves act as independent prosecutors. They do not need approval from the Attorney General to investigate and prosecute a crime.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
7. Mueller doesn't hand out indictments. USAs indict. Mueller convened grand juries.
Tue Jan 2, 2018, 05:45 PM
Jan 2018

Grand jury has a prosecutor. Prosecutor seeks indictments from the gran jury. They vote to indict or not. Mueller reports to the USA. US Attorney then hands down any indictment and files charging papers.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
14. One of the grand juries is in Eastern District of Virginia. See Flynn plea nad Manafort charges.
Tue Jan 2, 2018, 05:52 PM
Jan 2018

I think one is in DC district? where Trump was trying to load that court system with a total ignoramus lackey. Manafort and gates were chargedin DC.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/30/us/politics/paul-manafort-indicted.html

“There’s a large-scale, ongoing investigation of which this case is a small part,” Aaron S.J. Zelinsky, a prosecutor on Mr. Mueller’s team, said at Mr. Papadopoulos’s plea hearing this month.

The grand jury has to be in the district where the crime is alleged. The District's USA is the one bringing the indictments. They are reported to Rosenstein, but the USA acts independently. Rosenstein gets a heads up beforehand and could inform Trump, et.al., so watch the tea leaves for clues something is about to happen.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
18. In this case, the crimes are multiple jurisdiction or international
Tue Jan 2, 2018, 05:57 PM
Jan 2018

Then it can be the DC district. For financial crimes, its often the New York District because most of the banks have an office there.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
16. Mueller does not report to any US Attorney and USAs do not indict
Tue Jan 2, 2018, 05:54 PM
Jan 2018

He is the grand jury prosecutor. The constitution requires that grand juries indict, but most of the time, the grand jury indicts whoever the prosecutor wants.

Jim__

(14,061 posts)
8. My guess is that Trump's attorneys would appeal any prosecution of Trump to the Supreme Court.
Tue Jan 2, 2018, 05:46 PM
Jan 2018

The Supreme Court is stacked.

Trump could pardon the others. Bush I already used the pardon to pardon people who could have implicated him.

Jim__

(14,061 posts)
15. He couldn't pardon anyone who is charged by a state.
Tue Jan 2, 2018, 05:53 PM
Jan 2018

I'm guessing his lawyers would appeal the power of any state court to try Trump while he is still president.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
12. They will certainly appeal
Tue Jan 2, 2018, 05:50 PM
Jan 2018

But this is different from Bush I. The evidence against him was less clear and he was much smarter about keeping his hands clean. He knew where Nixon went wrong and didn't make the same mistakes.

Jim__

(14,061 posts)
17. Is there a way to prevent a president from pardoning someone under federal charges?
Tue Jan 2, 2018, 05:56 PM
Jan 2018

The president does have the power to pardon. Bush did pardon people before they were convicted. Is there a way to block that?

DetroitLegalBeagle

(1,914 posts)
19. No
Tue Jan 2, 2018, 06:01 PM
Jan 2018

Barring a SCOTUS decision on it, the President's pardoning power is absolute.

Edit, I should have added, for Federal crimes only. The President cannot pardon state level convictions.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
21. Probably No, but maybe yes
Tue Jan 2, 2018, 06:04 PM
Jan 2018

Presidential pardon authority is broad and the limits have never been tested. So theoretically, the President can pardon anyone at any time. However, there could be an exception if the purpose is obstruction of justice. Courts have never decided the issue, but Mueller could choose to challenge the pardons on that basis.

However, I don't think Trump will be issuing blanket pardons, or if he does, it will help him. He's distanced himself from everyone who's been indicted or pled out so far. He's also has a long history of double crossing people. Based on that, even if he pardoned everyone, can they trust Trump won't later seek revenge for going against him in the first place? Moreover, if pardons, they can be forced to testify without 5th Amendment protection, a fact which Trump will no doubt be made aware of.

bluestarone

(16,853 posts)
23. Just your thinking. Do you feel the supreme court of today
Tue Jan 2, 2018, 06:06 PM
Jan 2018

will save tRump? After all this shit? I truly hope not,but could it be a tossup whether they would or would not? Your opinion please TY

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
24. My opinion is they will not save Trump
Tue Jan 2, 2018, 06:11 PM
Jan 2018

They still have an interest in the rule of law. This will not be some wishy-washy case. It will be clear that the rule of law is at stake, and whatever else bad you might say about them, the majority still believe in the rule of law.

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