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Rachel: Bad News (Original Post) OliverQ Jan 2018 OP
It will bring down the administration. madaboutharry Jan 2018 #1
Oh, they will try. Winter weather doesn't help the resistance. n/t rzemanfl Jan 2018 #6
Let's get LOUD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! N/T Kirk Lover Jan 2018 #8
Hope you're right. I'm not that confident. OliverQ Jan 2018 #9
I can't understand why all the FBI agents wouldn't walk out en mass. I've heard that there are over politicaljunkie41910 Jan 2018 #41
Looks like it's up there with "Patriotic Republican".....pretty scarce on the ground. OnDoutside Jan 2018 #48
First, a percentage of them are RW Maeve Jan 2018 #52
I don't doubt their patriotism, but they've got to see the handwriting on the wall. Mueller was one politicaljunkie41910 Jan 2018 #64
Saw that on Twitter this afternoon benld74 Jan 2018 #2
As much as I hate that weasel, Sessions needs to stay put. FM123 Jan 2018 #3
And let him roll back decades of marijuana progress? No thanks! Initech Jan 2018 #34
Senators will not let Sessions do it - states are making too much money womanofthehills Jan 2018 #40
Because weed is more important than anything else. we can do it Jan 2018 #61
Not good but the investigation doesn't rely on Mueller underpants Jan 2018 #4
Doesn't the entire team fall apart if Mueller is fired? OliverQ Jan 2018 #11
I thought that's why Mueller involved all those... Little Star Jan 2018 #31
A new york one got replaced with a trump AG just last week . damn. riversedge Jan 2018 #51
No, it the AG of NY that Mueller is working with, not the federal attorneys Maeve Jan 2018 #54
Thx for this uponit7771 Jan 2018 #58
Not convinced. TomSlick Jan 2018 #5
Yep. Trump is like a middle school mean girl. He snubs someone publicly if he tblue37 Jan 2018 #35
He can't fire Sessions!!!! If he does the Marijuana crackdown will cease and people will die!!! n.t. USALiberal Jan 2018 #7
He was supposed to be fired over Christmas Loki Liesmith Jan 2018 #10
it is indeed getting tiresome Skittles Jan 2018 #63
Pruitt would have to be confirmed by the Senate, right? Chasstev365 Jan 2018 #12
I don't think that's true. Pruitt is already in the Cabinet OliverQ Jan 2018 #13
He would have to be confirmed by the Senate OKNancy Jan 2018 #17
two have to bolt since tie pence tiebreaker Takket Jan 2018 #28
Not true...He could appoint someone confirmed for another job without further confirmation. tableturner Jan 2018 #30
he could only be acting attorney general until he is formally nominated n/t OKNancy Jan 2018 #43
Two. louis c Jan 2018 #55
Let the Dotard fucking try. Let him order a lickspittle to fire Mueller. Please, do it! VOX Jan 2018 #14
And they will ignore you superpatriotman Jan 2018 #15
Thats the spirit. VOX Jan 2018 #39
I applaud your spirit superpatriotman Jan 2018 #50
With all due respect leftynyc Jan 2018 #44
I'm more of a pragmatist superpatriotman Jan 2018 #49
Resisters are ready at a moments notice... BigmanPigman Jan 2018 #16
"be on it?" n/t rzemanfl Jan 2018 #18
This would be the worst timing though sarah FAILIN Jan 2018 #22
It would take at least a week for some one to BigmanPigman Jan 2018 #26
I think Sessions is one of the few of them in a politically good spot. NCTraveler Jan 2018 #19
She spent a lot of time listing avebury Jan 2018 #20
Yup, I'm so depressed. OliverQ Jan 2018 #24
+1 uponit7771 Jan 2018 #29
It IS depressing, and soul crushing and potentially devastating Guilded Lilly Jan 2018 #56
if mueller gets fired the people will seize congress and the white house. Takket Jan 2018 #21
Yeah, right. nt Codeine Jan 2018 #27
Could we not get two Republicans to agree with our side? kentuck Jan 2018 #23
He could appoint someone confirmed for another job without further confirmation. tableturner Jan 2018 #32
You Sure About That? ProfessorGAC Jan 2018 #46
I turned her off. DURHAM D Jan 2018 #25
When McCain gave the dossier to Comey they already had it because Steele handed it to the FBI JonLP24 Jan 2018 #42
Steele gave it to the CIA. nt DURHAM D Jan 2018 #45
A Veteran Spy Has Given the FBI Information Alleging a Russian Operation to Cultivate Donald Trump JonLP24 Jan 2018 #47
Mueller is the only hope then, issues RM outlined will only slow down the investigation not stop it uponit7771 Jan 2018 #33
If that happens I think all hell will break loose. I will be in the fucking street onecaliberal Jan 2018 #36
I supposed thats what they want. cilla4progress Jan 2018 #37
Folks have been predicting Muellers dismissal since May, its too late to accomplish Hoyt Jan 2018 #38
Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2018 #53
For the first time Clarity2 Jan 2018 #57
This is the fifth "Sessions is Gone" prediction Kilgore Jan 2018 #59
We also haven't had another Cabinet member step up to take the job OliverQ Jan 2018 #60
Yes, I had trouble going to sleep last night after watching her show. Really terrifying. SharonAnn Jan 2018 #62

madaboutharry

(40,207 posts)
1. It will bring down the administration.
Fri Jan 5, 2018, 10:11 PM
Jan 2018

There will be mass demonstrations, democratic officials and some republicans will join in, the government will be paralyzed. It will not stand. Let them try.

 

OliverQ

(3,363 posts)
9. Hope you're right. I'm not that confident.
Fri Jan 5, 2018, 10:16 PM
Jan 2018

People should be marching now, not waiting for catastrophe. The criminals are those with all the power. Hard to beat that.

politicaljunkie41910

(3,335 posts)
41. I can't understand why all the FBI agents wouldn't walk out en mass. I've heard that there are over
Sat Jan 6, 2018, 02:21 AM
Jan 2018

100,000 FBI agents. I can't understand why any would remain under these conditions. They have more power as a group. It's not like the government could replace them overnight, or even within a year for that matter. Would everything they do just come to a stop. How about the Secret Service. Would they not back up the FBI and walk out too? After all, is Dotard the one they had in mind when they thought someday they might have to take a bullet for? I had a girl on my block I grew up with in my neighborhood, who joined the FBI. There is a lot of training they go through. They all would have to know that tomorrow it could be them. Besides doesn't that Fidelity, Bravery, Integrity still mean something? Anything? Anybody?

Maeve

(42,279 posts)
52. First, a percentage of them are RW
Sat Jan 6, 2018, 10:19 AM
Jan 2018

Second, they take their resposibilities very seriously and their commitment to the country is greater than their politics--to walk out would be to turn their backs on their mission in life. The same could be said of the military. Most also believe the system of checks and balances will swing in democracy's favor eventually and until then, their job is to maintain what they can.

politicaljunkie41910

(3,335 posts)
64. I don't doubt their patriotism, but they've got to see the handwriting on the wall. Mueller was one
Sat Jan 6, 2018, 09:43 PM
Jan 2018

of them and the GOP is trying to destroy him. Same thing for Comey even though there was the Guiliani faction in the New York, New Jersey area that wanted to see Hillary brought down. They have to see that that could very easily be them if Trump isn't checked since no one in the GOP Congress has the balls to stand up to him. Left unchecked, and with the Dems having such a high hurdle to meet to take back the House and the Senate, there's no telling the damage Trump and Nunez can do with complete control of the Congress and the Courts, in the mean time.

First they came for the Jews and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew. Then they came for the Communists and I did not speak out because I was not a Communist. Then they came for the trade unionists and I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for me and there was no one left. Martin Niemöller

womanofthehills

(8,698 posts)
40. Senators will not let Sessions do it - states are making too much money
Sat Jan 6, 2018, 02:09 AM
Jan 2018

Colorado Senator Cory Gardner threatens to stall all DOJ nominees if Sessions does this.

we can do it

(12,182 posts)
61. Because weed is more important than anything else.
Sat Jan 6, 2018, 10:56 AM
Jan 2018

States are not going to fold on it. Too much money to be made and too popular.

underpants

(182,769 posts)
4. Not good but the investigation doesn't rely on Mueller
Fri Jan 5, 2018, 10:13 PM
Jan 2018

He has a great team there and they already have most of the information they need.

 

OliverQ

(3,363 posts)
11. Doesn't the entire team fall apart if Mueller is fired?
Fri Jan 5, 2018, 10:17 PM
Jan 2018

No Special Counsel means no Special Counsel team or staff.

Little Star

(17,055 posts)
31. I thought that's why Mueller involved all those...
Fri Jan 5, 2018, 10:35 PM
Jan 2018

states attorneys so it would be continued at the state level if anybody tried to shut him down.

Maeve

(42,279 posts)
54. No, it the AG of NY that Mueller is working with, not the federal attorneys
Sat Jan 6, 2018, 10:23 AM
Jan 2018

That is a NY state office, not the folks who are getting replaced. The new folk replace the 48 that got fired all at once last year, but Schneiderman in the one who can bring state charges against crimes in NY.

TomSlick

(11,097 posts)
5. Not convinced.
Fri Jan 5, 2018, 10:13 PM
Jan 2018

I think not inviting Beauregard to the big party is just the Orange One's way to make it clear he's still pissed.

tblue37

(65,322 posts)
35. Yep. Trump is like a middle school mean girl. He snubs someone publicly if he
Fri Jan 5, 2018, 10:58 PM
Jan 2018

wants them to know he is mad at them. He walks past them with his nose in the air and pretends he doesn't know they exist.

If Sessions were ditched, Trump couldn't enjoy punishing him the way he does now. I think he needs someone to abuse, and Sessions fits the bill so well.

Loki Liesmith

(4,602 posts)
10. He was supposed to be fired over Christmas
Fri Jan 5, 2018, 10:17 PM
Jan 2018

and Thanksgiving. And last summer.
One of these times it will happen.

But no reason to think it’s that time.

Chasstev365

(5,191 posts)
12. Pruitt would have to be confirmed by the Senate, right?
Fri Jan 5, 2018, 10:17 PM
Jan 2018

Good thing Al Franken will be there to..., oh wait. Never mind...

Thanks Schumer and Gillibrand!

 

OliverQ

(3,363 posts)
13. I don't think that's true. Pruitt is already in the Cabinet
Fri Jan 5, 2018, 10:17 PM
Jan 2018

and thus already went through Senate confirmation. I think he can just be moved.

OKNancy

(41,832 posts)
17. He would have to be confirmed by the Senate
Fri Jan 5, 2018, 10:24 PM
Jan 2018

if he does a straight forward nomination. I think he may not get 50 votes. Only one Republican would have to bolt.

tableturner

(1,680 posts)
30. Not true...He could appoint someone confirmed for another job without further confirmation.
Fri Jan 5, 2018, 10:35 PM
Jan 2018

In other words, he could move an existing cabinet officer to the Department of Justice without further hearings, instantly making that person the Attorney General.

 

louis c

(8,652 posts)
55. Two.
Sat Jan 6, 2018, 10:27 AM
Jan 2018

One makes the vote 50-50. VP pence would then break the tie.

You would be correct if one Repuke Senator bolts and McCain is still absent. Then 50-49 against will sink Pruitt.

VOX

(22,976 posts)
14. Let the Dotard fucking try. Let him order a lickspittle to fire Mueller. Please, do it!
Fri Jan 5, 2018, 10:18 PM
Jan 2018

Because when he does, we will hit the streets. We will go to our congressional offices like we did with the ACA euthanasia-attempt. No more silence.

We. Will. RAGE.

VOX

(22,976 posts)
39. Thats the spirit.
Sat Jan 6, 2018, 02:00 AM
Jan 2018

We have to get in their faces. No one else is going to. At least let them know that Democrats/progressives will not take this fascist shit lying down.

superpatriotman

(6,247 posts)
50. I applaud your spirit
Sat Jan 6, 2018, 10:15 AM
Jan 2018

And encourage it.

However, I must confess some ever-growing dismay at the seeming absence of our elected officials in the fray.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
44. With all due respect
Sat Jan 6, 2018, 06:59 AM
Jan 2018

to you and your username, your comment doesn't make you sound like any kind of patriot.

BigmanPigman

(51,584 posts)
16. Resisters are ready at a moments notice...
Fri Jan 5, 2018, 10:23 PM
Jan 2018

we were put on alert that Mueller could be fired over the holidays. If anyone fires him we will be on it within hours...the signs, places, planning are all in place for us!

sarah FAILIN

(2,857 posts)
22. This would be the worst timing though
Fri Jan 5, 2018, 10:28 PM
Jan 2018

The cold keeps me inside as much as possible. Ice and snow for people up north would not go well with a protest.

BigmanPigman

(51,584 posts)
26. It would take at least a week for some one to
Fri Jan 5, 2018, 10:30 PM
Jan 2018

be in place first before they can fire anyone. The meteorologists said that warmer weather is coming to the East Coast after the weekend so that would be good timing. Pussy hat's are nice and warm!

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
19. I think Sessions is one of the few of them in a politically good spot.
Fri Jan 5, 2018, 10:26 PM
Jan 2018

Sessions just has to ride out another year and then he will start lining up hid campaign for the senate. He has huge pull in Alabama.

avebury

(10,952 posts)
20. She spent a lot of time listing
Fri Jan 5, 2018, 10:26 PM
Jan 2018

all of the things that the Republicans are doing to totally tank the investigation against Trump et al. It is so depressing. Republicans are a clear and present danger to this countr and there just doesn't seem to be anyway to do anything about it.

 

OliverQ

(3,363 posts)
24. Yup, I'm so depressed.
Fri Jan 5, 2018, 10:29 PM
Jan 2018

And why is the FBI investigating Hillary again? Emails, the Foundation, and Uranium One? But not investigating Republicans or Trump? My level of disgust and fear just continues to rise.

Guilded Lilly

(5,591 posts)
56. It IS depressing, and soul crushing and potentially devastating
Sat Jan 6, 2018, 10:33 AM
Jan 2018

To the resistance and existence of America.
Republicans are going to any lengths to protect their own treasonous, guilty, wretched flesh.
It has nothing to do with the Cretin’s incompetence or insanity because he is their PERFECT tool...but it is about doing everything to protect Republican power and corruption.
“We” don’t and never have mattered.
Time for not just resistance.
REVOLT.

kentuck

(111,079 posts)
23. Could we not get two Republicans to agree with our side?
Fri Jan 5, 2018, 10:29 PM
Jan 2018

If Trump fired Sessions and appointed Pruitt?

That would be bad news.

tableturner

(1,680 posts)
32. He could appoint someone confirmed for another job without further confirmation.
Fri Jan 5, 2018, 10:38 PM
Jan 2018

In other words, he could move an existing cabinet officer to the Department of Justice without further hearings, instantly making that person the Attorney General.

Fire Sessions > Appoint Pruitt > Fire Mueller

DURHAM D

(32,609 posts)
25. I turned her off.
Fri Jan 5, 2018, 10:30 PM
Jan 2018

She does not know that Senator McCain turned the Steele dossier over to the FBI. She just said "when Steele turned over his dossier to the FBI..."

If she corrects it let me know.



JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
42. When McCain gave the dossier to Comey they already had it because Steele handed it to the FBI
Sat Jan 6, 2018, 04:58 AM
Jan 2018

She is correct. I follow the dossier very closely. Steele gave up on the FBI and started speaking to reporters, this was months before McCain got his hands on it and spoke to Sir Andrew Wood.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
47. A Veteran Spy Has Given the FBI Information Alleging a Russian Operation to Cultivate Donald Trump
Sat Jan 6, 2018, 08:16 AM
Jan 2018

On Friday, FBI Director James Comey set off a political blast when he informed congressional leaders that the bureau had stumbled across emails that might be pertinent to its completed inquiry into Hillary Clinton’s handling of emails when she was secretary of state. The Clinton campaign and others criticized Comey for intervening in a presidential campaign by breaking with Justice Department tradition and revealing information about an investigation—information that was vague and perhaps ultimately irrelevant—so close to Election Day. On Sunday, Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid upped the ante. He sent Comey a fiery letter saying the FBI chief may have broken the law and pointed to a potentially greater controversy: “In my communications with you and other top officials in the national security community, it has become clear that you possess explosive information about close ties and coordination between Donald Trump, his top advisors, and the Russian government…The public has a right to know this information.”

Reid’s missive set off a burst of speculation on Twitter and elsewhere. What was he referring to regarding the Republican presidential nominee? At the end of August, Reid had written to Comey and demanded an investigation of the “connections between the Russian government and Donald Trump’s presidential campaign,” and in that letter he indirectly referred to Carter Page, an American businessman cited by Trump as one of his foreign policy advisers, who had financial ties to Russia and had recently visited Moscow. Last month, Yahoo News reported that US intelligence officials were probing the links between Page and senior Russian officials. (Page has called accusations against him “garbage.”) On Monday, NBC News reported that the FBI has mounted a preliminary inquiry into the foreign business ties of Paul Manafort, Trump’s former campaign chief. But Reid’s recent note hinted at more than the Page or Manafort affairs. And a former senior intelligence officer for a Western country who specialized in Russian counterintelligence tells Mother Jones that in recent months he provided the bureau with memos, based on his recent interactions with Russian sources, contending the Russian government has for years tried to co-opt and assist Trump—and that the FBI requested more information from him.

Does this mean the FBI is investigating whether Russian intelligence has attempted to develop a secret relationship with Trump or cultivate him as an asset? Was the former intelligence officer and his material deemed credible or not? An FBI spokeswoman says, “Normally, we don’t talk about whether we are investigating anything.” But a senior US government official not involved in this case but familiar with the former spy tells Mother Jones that he has been a credible source with a proven record of providing reliable, sensitive, and important information to the US government.

In June, the former Western intelligence officer—who spent almost two decades on Russian intelligence matters and who now works with a US firm that gathers information on Russia for corporate clients—was assigned the task of researching Trump’s dealings in Russia and elsewhere, according to the former spy and his associates in this American firm. This was for an opposition research project originally financed by a Republican client critical of the celebrity mogul. (Before the former spy was retained, the project’s financing switched to a client allied with Democrats.) “It started off as a fairly general inquiry,” says the former spook, who asks not to be identified. But when he dug into Trump, he notes, he came across troubling information indicating connections between Trump and the Russian government. According to his sources, he says, “there was an established exchange of information between the Trump campaign and the Kremlin of mutual benefit.”

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/10/veteran-spy-gave-fbi-info-alleging-russian-operation-cultivate-donald-trump/

Also in the book Collusion it mentions Steele gave it to FBI contacts he previously worked with the FBI over the FIFA bribery case.

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
33. Mueller is the only hope then, issues RM outlined will only slow down the investigation not stop it
Fri Jan 5, 2018, 10:53 PM
Jan 2018

... Mueller is still in charge

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
38. Folks have been predicting Muellers dismissal since May, its too late to accomplish
Sat Jan 6, 2018, 12:17 AM
Jan 2018

anything for Trump by firing him.

Response to OliverQ (Original post)

Clarity2

(1,009 posts)
57. For the first time
Sat Jan 6, 2018, 10:36 AM
Jan 2018

I couldnt watch maddow last night. I need to stay positive.

My thoughts:
If mueller is fired, remember theres recourse to get reinstated in a court of law. They can only fire him under certain conditions.
If sessions is fired, remember the man knows A LOT. A fired man is a ticking time bomb. Mueller could try to get him to cooperate. Bad part about this is that worry for trump admin would possibly mean the need to dismantle mueller investigation as fast as possible.

It bears repeating over and over...besides marching there is economic walkouts/boycotts. Turn off the spigot. Money talks. If you do a google search, you will see they do and have worked. Huff Po has an article.

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