What happens when our overwhelming votes get flipped by Russian hackers?

[onecaliberal]

Tweet from Eric Holder: Russian meddling in our elections is a clear and present danger. Fact. Unbelievably no one taking action to prevent harm. Whatever you think of possible Trump involvement all must demand that White House and Congress act to strengthen our electoral systems against the threat-NOW

Why are Dems not doing anything about this? No one is even talking about it really.

[L. Coyote]

1. Same as when they get flipped by Republicans.

[Orrex]

10. Nice!

[DURHAM D]

2. I am hoping that the Russian hacking

will result in all Republican votes being changed to Democratic votes in every precinct in the country. I can see Moscow exploding in laughter.

Shits and Grins

[lagomorph777]

3. I've been worried about this since Nov 2016.

[Irish_Dem]

4. We do not have a secure voting system. Putin thinks we asked for interference.

We do not care enough about our democracy to protect it.

[NCTraveler]

5. Too much power at the state level.

One of our first items when we get power should be to expand the federal governments involvement in elections. Push boundaries. Make them take us to court. This needs to be done in order to protect the American people. The number one job of the federal government.

[spicysista]

36. This!

A thousand times, this! Whether we're talking about the antiabortion movement, marriage "protection" advocates, or school choice, etc.......they all constantly push the local and federal legal limits. In this, we should be more like them!

[pandr32]

43. I completely agree

[FreepFryer]

6. Federal leadership vacuum, focus on 'voter fraud' (suppression) instead of electoral fraud,

distribution of responsibility to the states, etc.

[FreepFryer]

7. And, any steps that are being taken aren't being made known to the public (nor the Russians). (n/t)

[onecaliberal]

13. Well thats easy there are NO steps being taken.

[FreepFryer]

15. Wow! So glad you are here to tell us all what's happening! And you know this, how? (n/t)

[onecaliberal]

17. Eric Holder KNOWS THIS.

If you think anything is being done, I’ve got a bridge to sell you.

[FreepFryer]

18. Eric Holder would reveal any classified or secret measures underway/in place? I DON'T THINK SO. (nt)

[onecaliberal]

21. He publicly tweeted that nothing is being done.

I copied his tweet in my post. Did you read it?

[FreepFryer]

23. I did - and if you think a tweet encapsulates all knowledge, you might wanna vote Trump '20

[onecaliberal]

25. Okay Im done- peace out

[FreepFryer]

27. You too! Have a good one.

[NightWatcher]

8. When polls favor us 70-30 and we lose 51-49, it will give us legitimacy Demand a revote.

It would also give us legitimacy when we Strike and it should shake the republicans to their core. It will also rip the thin veil off of the administration and leave no doubt that they are Russian puppets.

[tonyt53]

35. Most polls are national. Got to go state by state. When there are more red states than blue, we lose

[Golden Raisin]

9. Election Integrity is the Number 1

issue for salvaging our Democracy. The disaster of 2016 made that crystal clear. Too many of us are thinking we will, "Throw the bums out!" in the great blue wave of 2018 (and 2020) and I have grave doubts. There's gerrymandering, homegrown interference/suppression/manipulation and Russia. If anything concrete is actually being done about it it sure seems to be way in the background or being kept a big secret. Republicans are complicit. Democratic leadership (I'm looking at you: Pelosi, Schumer and Perez --- as well as others in the House and Senate) should be shouting about this every day and on every TV appearance. November 2018 is around the corner.

[onecaliberal]

14. This is what keeps me up at night.

[FreepFryer]

11. If (when) the Russian hand is caught in the act of attacking our election...

...it will be painted red, and dealt with accordingly.

If Putin found the sanctions inconvenient, he's gonna plotz next time.

[onecaliberal]

12. like them trying to jail the British intel officer who blew the whistle on dump to the FBI

Republicans are complicit traitors and they are not going to do a damn thing about Russia sitting in the Oval Office. They’ve been there for a year already. Traitorous republicans yawn.

[FreepFryer]

16. 'Traitorous Republicans yawn' spoken like a person who has argued away their own agency.

Literally, and figuratively.

Shame, that courage is so hard to find.

[onecaliberal]

19. Courage and republicans should never be mentioned in the same sentence.

[FreepFryer]

20. It takes courage to oppose a corrupt Republican conspiracy. THERE. I DID IT ANYWAY.

[onecaliberal]

22. A la Diane Feinstein.

[FreepFryer]

24. Precisely. (n/t)

[brooklynite]

26. No indication that the Russians (or anybody else) engaged in vote-flipping...

Let's not get distracted from the real risks.

[FreepFryer]

28. We know 39 states' systems experienced attempted 'intrusions' by Russia. THAT IS A REAL RISK. (n/t)

[FreepFryer]

29. The Russian campaign hit 39 states in one case hackers tried to delete and alter voter data

https://www.vox.com/world/2017/6/13/15791744/russia-election-39-states-hack-putin-trump-sessions

[FreepFryer]

31. N the Bloomberg piece...

In Illinois, investigators found evidence that cyber intruders tried to delete or alter voter data. The hackers accessed software designed to be used by poll workers on Election Day, and in at least one state accessed a campaign finance database. Details of the wave of attacks, in the summer and fall of 2016, were provided by three people with direct knowledge of the U.S. investigation into the matter. In all, the Russian hackers hit systems in a total of 39 states, one of them said.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-06-13/russian-breach-of-39-states-threatens-future-u-s-elections

[mythology]

34. That doesn't mean any votes were changed

All the evidence from polls and the recounts in Wisconsin show there was no vote flipping. I don't see how this is any different than Republicans claiming in person voter fraud is a thing.

[FreepFryer]

37. No it doesn't - but the burglar was in our house, looked around, probably took pictures.

We have no proof anything was taken or changed, but how confident are we that we would notice?

Let's try not to ignore the unknowability of the question, and get our security system up and running.

[brooklynite]

38. Intrusions into the voter databases, not into the vote tallies.

[FreepFryer]

39. Impossible to prove a negative - but your apparently blithe confidence is unjustified. (n/t)

[brooklynite]

40. My confidence is based on the fact that no candidate has claimed vote flipping occurred...

...nor has any campaign manager

...nor has any Democratic Party leader

I defer to the experts.

[FreepFryer]

42. There is a difference between believing an event did not happen, and knowing that it did not happen.

Obviously no politician should campaign on any such accusations of flipping or vote count tampering - it would only further marginalize any party or candidate (eg Roy Moore) unless there was a near-literal tide of evidence of vote flipping (which there is not).

While perhaps helpful for lobbying, basing one's 'beliefs' on political argumentation (whether platform, soapbox or cocktail party) is not a particularly wise strategy for actual knowledge (to say nothing of wisdom). It may be that whatever your circles, you are thinking less astutely and critically about actual reality in favor of more malleable and less challenging political reality.

[FreepFryer]

44. And the confidence to KNOW, not just BELIEVE, that it did not happen is what we must build...

...we won't do it by insisting we already can place such confidence and trust in the integrity of our electoral systems.

[Phoenix61]

33. Exactly

Changing data without leaving a trail is incredibly difficult if not down right impossible. Stealing data on the other hand is much, much easier. If there's a weak leak it's the electronic voting machines but that would be a local issue.

[triron]

50. I know you will probably pooh pooh this

but exit poll analysis (and pre-election predictions) indicates otherwise.
Why are exit polls so successfully indicative of results in other nations?

[brooklynite]

51. Exit polls aren't scientific...

...and what you really mean are "exit poll analysis in the races we lose, as opposed to the races we win, right?

The Virginia Governors race was won by a much larger margin than polling suggested; vote flipping?

[SharonAnn]

55. Maybe they just haven't done it YET!

[no_hypocrisy]

30. Remedies

1. Computer blocking walls
2. Paper receipts
3. Return to lever machines

[uponit7771]

32. CHECK PROVISIONAL BALLOTS !!!

[Iwasthere]

41. We vote by mail in Oregon

I have complete confidence in our system. I love voting in my living room. So tired of all the vote flipping, when there are proven, accurate methods.

[Drahthaardogs]

45. Anonymous will do a denial of service attack

And save us all...

[onecaliberal]

56. They didnt in 16

[Drahthaardogs]

57. I was being facetious, because Anonymous talks big

Then all they do is a denial of service.

I mean, if you are the self proclaimed computer vigilantes, don't you think they could do a little better?

Heck, steal the Trump bed pissing tape. Release some killer Intel. Wipe out credit card debt like in Fight Club. WikiLeaks has done more damage than Anonymous.

[onecaliberal]

58. Right.... i dont think theyre anything either.

[NRaleighLiberal]

46. The "election" of dump

[Hekate]

47. "No one"? Former members of the Obama admin like Holder are working on it...

...but they can't do it without us.

[jimmil]

48. The truth is....

We should not have to worry about hacking elections if all the politicians who run are for "we the people." It should not matter whether a republican or democrat get into office because both parties have the wellness of our nation in their hearts first. What we have now driven by greed mostly is a pre-revolution. Whether we will have a revolution driven by the greed to hold dominion over the masses or the masses revolting against the greed we will just have to wait to find out. Either way, our system is broken and I fear cannot be repaired.

[librechik]

49. We will be ridiculed for even suggesting it might have happened. Move on. Nothing to see here.

but that's me.

[NurseJackie]

52. Here we go again... yet another "do-nothing-Dems" post.

[parkerMcDavis]

53. Republican version of strengthen

will make it harder for the poor to vote. Voter ID’s for example.

[spanone]

54. this is why republicans are doing absolutely nothing about russian interference.

maybe putin will fuck them over by supporting democrats?

[lagomorph777]

59. Probably less pretty than in 2016.

The American public is on to them now and will not let that stand again. Whatever it takes.