To be clear about the Salvation Army Issue

[dsc]

The Salvation Army isn't merely against marriage equality. They also don't just want to discriminate against gays in charitable activities funded by their own money. They discriminate in the provision of charity even when such charity is funded by the government and lobby to overturn local non discrimination laws. They also lobby to gain exemptions from such laws while still receiving government money. That is the issue. If they don't want gays in their church, that is their right. It isn't their right to keep gays out of their government funded charities.

[yardwork]

1. rec

[msongs]

2. salvation army fires gays and lesbians when it finds out about them. nt

[tammywammy]

3. I haven't donated to the Salvation Army in years.

[TheWraith]

4. This sort of thing is why I ignore the bellringers.

I don't care if I look like an asshole while doing it, there is no point getting into an argument with them.

[GodlessBiker]

5. They suck.

[Curmudgeoness]

6. This saddens me.

I have always looked up to the Salvation Army for all that they do to help people, and they have never asked anyone for financial statements and tax returns to prove that they are needy enough. They just help. I am saddened to hear of any lobbying efforts that they are doing. And needless to say, it hurts me to think that they are intolerant of others.

Another noble charity down the tubes!

[DURHAM D]

7. Rec

and thanks

[MuseRider]

8. Will not donate to them, have not for a very long time

because of this. Our local rescue mission is like this but we are working with them and I think we may fix that. SA gets not a penny from us.

Thanks for clearing that up so well. People really don't know this about them, we must keep it out there for them to see.

Hello DU3! Hello DSC!

[Morning Dew]

9. One of the reasons I don't like Government funding of so called "Faith Based Charities"

Many recipients don't realize they're receiving government funded services and think the church has done thema good turn


It also frees up the church group to use their own funds to work against rhe rights and dignity of those they oppose.

[WCGreen]

17. Exactly!

I don't want any public money going to charities that dsicriminate in any shape or form...

[FreeState]

10. K&R

Havent given them a dime in years - I give to the local LGBT center and homeless shelter instead.

[TheMadMonk]

11. There are plenty of other reasons aside from the org's attitudes...

...towards gays.

They also protected members over the wards that those members abused.

They pulled their wards from school at the earliest legal opportunity, and put them to work, taking most of those ward's wages, giving them back only a few dollars pocket money.

[aletier_v]

12. mormons are a bigger problem than Salvation Army

why not focus on them instead?

[Behind the Aegis]

14. It is possible to multi-task. n/t

[REP]

15. Don't recall Mormons ringing bells to collect money everywhere this time of year

[MADem]

30. The Catholics aren't angels either; nor are the Baptists and all sorts of faith-based charities.

Ignorance is bliss, I guess.

[Rhythm]

31. No, they're not... but their also not ubiquitous this time of year either

...and the knee-jerk thing for many shoppers to do as they exit stores is to toss that handful of change into the bellringer's kettle.

Information is power.

[MADem]

32. No, they simply have their ways the other eleven months of the year.

I'm not going to get into a justification of the SA's conduct, with regard to their refusal to hire gay people, which they have based on their religious beliefs. It's wrong, plain and simple.

However, they are the ones who consistently do business on skid rows, where none of the tonier charities seem to want to go. They do reach out to the people who smell the worst, have the least, and are the most desperate.

If you don't like them, don't support them.

[Starry Messenger]

13. k&r

[Delphinus]

18. off topic

I like your name. Starry Messenger. Very nice.

[Starry Messenger]

19. :)

Thank you!

[Aerows]

21. Starry Messenger is a nice person, too :)

Good poster.

[beam me up scottie]

16. K&R

[OnionPatch]

20. There are so many other good charities.

Why bother with them, anyway? I donate to the local homeless shelter instead or ANYTHING but a religious group who most likely does not share my values. I didn't know how they treated the issue of gays until recently (although I could have guessed.) All I knew is that they were religious and NOT the liberal kind of religious, so the last time I dropped money into their pot was decades ago.

[City Lights]

22. I have crossed the SA off my list of acceptable charities.

I'm always polite to their bell ringers, but I never drop anything into their kettles.

[demigoddess]

23. Won't give them a penny since they said that

they wanted to discriminate against who work for them. Get a clue, Salvation Army. Sounds like an awful bunch if they don't want to hire gays as if it would rub off or endanger their souls!!!

[peasant one]

24. we should let them know

We should email them that we disagree with their policies. Who knows-- if they get enough emails saying we won't contribute because of these policies they may rethink and get enlightened.

[slay]

25. Thank you

for posting this. People need to know what that group is really up to - and not just blindly donate to them. There are many other, better progressive places to donate your money - if you have any to donate - IMO.

[sarcasmo]

26. Kick!

[Warren DeMontague]

27. I never give em money

for precisely that reason. There are plenty of good, non-discriminatory charitable orgs. out there to choose from.

[Chemisse]

28. Thanks. I did not know about this.

My donations may be meager, but they will go to a GOOD charity this year, and from here on out. All these organizations that discriminate against gays will only get the message when people make it clear to them, by withholding their money and their participation.

[SaintPete]

29. It doesn't do anyone any good to just ignore them

you've got to let them know why