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peggysue2

(10,828 posts)
Tue Jan 16, 2018, 12:42 PM Jan 2018

Did You Know: Anyone Opposing Chelsea Manning's Senate Bid Has An Old Straight White Man Fetish?

According to Glenn Greenwald this is absolutely the case because:

“ . . . Democrats [have] so quickly decided to back a white, straight male politician steeped in privilege, while devoting themselves to opposing a candidate who would make history by becoming the first trans woman ever elected to the U.S. Senate, in the process inspiring trans youth around the world and helping to erode the stigma that has made them so vulnerable to discrimination and violence?”

They’ve decided to do this presumably because they find Cardin’s centrist ideology and politics more appealing than Manning’s more radical politics, and believe that this trumps what could be the historic value of Manning’s candidacy. They’ve apparently decided to prioritize their own centrist ideology over the important gender, sexual orientation and trans equality progress that Manning’s victory would ensure.”

Greenwald also states that Cardin’s career has been unremarkable with few accomplishments. But far worse: he’s a . . . vile centrist!

Ben Cardin’s unremarkable career can be found in his official Senate bio here:

https://www.cardin.senate.gov/about

I find his advocacy for the Chesapeake Bay Project particularly irritating. I mean who needs clean water or National parks?

And here:

"He led the fight for the Patients' Bill of Rights and, because of his efforts, the law ensures that individuals in private health insurance plans have the right to choose their primary care provider, women have direct access to an ob/gyn, and patients with medical emergencies are guaranteed coverage for necessary ER visits."

Horrific!

But just take a gander where Cardin ranks according to Govtrack:

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/benjamin_cardin/400064

The tracking graph is based on voting history and where in the leadership pack an individual falls. Curiously, Cardin is at the top of the leadership graph. Really! The grotesque nerve of the man wheedling his way to Ranking Member of the Foreign Relations Committee, he Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works or the Committee on Finance, yada, yada.

Then, unlike some Senators I could mention, he was a primary sponsor of 18 bills that were actually enacted, as in:

S.1221 Countering Russian Influence in Europe and Eurasia Act of 2017
S.284 Global Magnitsky Human Rights Acountability Act
S.599 Improving Access to Emergency Psychiatric Care

A glance at the graph indicates that Cardin’s overall voting history puts him in the same category as Leahy, Wyden and Booker. Should we primary these senators as well? How about Kaine, Coons or Duckworth because these members are to the right of Cardin?

His voting record has afforded him a 100% by the Human Rights Campaign, 100% by the Planned Parenthood Action Fund and 92% by the League of Conservation Voters.

He must be stopped!!

This is why I rarely pull up Greenwald’s columns anymore.

Btw, when I mused about who exactly was backing/advocating Ms Manning’s primary bid?

I think I found my answer.


https://theintercept.com/2018/01/15/centrist-dems-launch-smear-campaign-against-young-trans-woman-all-to-keep-an-old-straight-white-man-in-power/

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Did You Know: Anyone Opposing Chelsea Manning's Senate Bid Has An Old Straight White Man Fetish? (Original Post) peggysue2 Jan 2018 OP
Yep that is my assumption on a lot of the primaries being toted for incumbent dem seats lunasun Jan 2018 #1
Yup! peggysue2 Jan 2018 #7
They tricked me for a minute. But I see what is happening now, but then I said a long time ago Eliot Rosewater Jan 2018 #29
We Dems have our own brand of Trumpism simmering beneath the surface... Wounded Bear Jan 2018 #2
Think you're absolutely right. peggysue2 Jan 2018 #8
Greenwald's a snake in the Democratic grass. Hortensis Jan 2018 #11
Sorry, you lost me as soon as I read "According to Glenn Greenwald." rogue emissary Jan 2018 #3
LOL peggysue2 Jan 2018 #9
I really don't know anything about Chelsea Manning's run for office. PoindexterOglethorpe Jan 2018 #4
Yes! peggysue2 Jan 2018 #12
Glennie can GFH leftynyc Jan 2018 #5
Oppose? Why bother janterry Jan 2018 #6
Yeah, well ...... Glen Greenwald. Chelsea needs to go after a GOP held seat. marble falls Jan 2018 #10
I agree that electing a Transgender person to Congress would be a BFD Proud Liberal Dem Jan 2018 #13
Probably because this particular senate seat is a member of the SIC. Initech Jan 2018 #19
Exactly Proud Liberal Dem Jan 2018 #21
i agree trans folks bdtrppr6 Jan 2018 #14
Sorry, this is ridiculous... IluvPitties Jan 2018 #15
Unfortunately, this same ridiculous stuff lost us 2016. Hortensis Jan 2018 #18
+1000, so much propaganda! Its the same undermining R B Garr Jan 2018 #32
He's obvious. But smart malicious intruders on social media Hortensis Jan 2018 #36
That is so true and so well put. Its amazing how people R B Garr Jan 2018 #40
Fortunately, the average MD voter has no idea who Glenn Greenwald is, much less reads his columns. brooklynite Jan 2018 #16
Didn't he also join/lead the chorus against HRC? mcar Jan 2018 #17
"Interesting." I sometimes search on hostile phrases here to see Hortensis Jan 2018 #37
The manner in which he writes is even devolving. NCTraveler Jan 2018 #20
You're going to find very few Greenwald supporters on DU these days Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jan 2018 #22
GG is a libertarian; and his political aims include promoting libertarian candidates struggle4progress Jan 2018 #23
Fuck Glenn Greenwald n/m RhodeIslandOne Jan 2018 #24
I have a decided bias against traitors and spies Stinky The Clown Jan 2018 #25
Hey Glenn -- Old, straight white dude Bernie Sanders says hi Blue_Tires Jan 2018 #26
Lovely guy! peggysue2 Jan 2018 #28
Fuckhead is Projecting Again. Cha Jan 2018 #39
Wow!!! Congrats on breaking the 200k barrier! Blue_Tires Jan 2018 #41
lol.. it's nothing Cha Jan 2018 #42
One of our long-term resident trolls was pushing that same talking point just the other day. Squinch Jan 2018 #27
Yes, I vaguely . . . peggysue2 Jan 2018 #31
Interesting. Wouldn't put it past the PTB to... Beartracks Jan 2018 #30
That's . . . peggysue2 Jan 2018 #33
What the hell is Glenn Greenwald trying to do? LiberalFighter Jan 2018 #34
Divide and Conquer peggysue2 Jan 2018 #35
Greenwald who rails against identity politics when it comes to race is stoking the hell out of Cha Jan 2018 #38
Hi back, Cha! peggysue2 Jan 2018 #43
So either Chelsea is a plant or she's a lot fucking dumber than we thought: Blue_Tires Jan 2018 #44
kick Blue_Tires Jan 2018 #45
Okay, SHE'S OFFICIALLY A LOT FUCKING DUMBER THAN WE THOUGHT Blue_Tires Jan 2018 #47
Tokenism strikes again. McCamy Taylor Jan 2018 #46
Greenwald is a Dolt. MineralMan Jan 2018 #48

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
1. Yep that is my assumption on a lot of the primaries being toted for incumbent dem seats
Tue Jan 16, 2018, 12:45 PM
Jan 2018

From sea to shining sea....who is promoting this? I also had the same questions about Stein 2016

Eliot Rosewater

(31,109 posts)
29. They tricked me for a minute. But I see what is happening now, but then I said a long time ago
Tue Jan 16, 2018, 06:13 PM
Jan 2018

primary dems is a no no, therefore you can count on certain people doing it.

Wounded Bear

(58,648 posts)
2. We Dems have our own brand of Trumpism simmering beneath the surface...
Tue Jan 16, 2018, 12:47 PM
Jan 2018

Need to be vigilant, and GOTV this fall, big time.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
11. Greenwald's a snake in the Democratic grass.
Tue Jan 16, 2018, 01:07 PM
Jan 2018

Greenwald knows Senator Cardin, no friend of Putin's, will become chairman of the senate Foreign Affairs Committee in 2018, and Greenwald's working to prevent that.

rogue emissary

(3,148 posts)
3. Sorry, you lost me as soon as I read "According to Glenn Greenwald."
Tue Jan 16, 2018, 12:49 PM
Jan 2018

Living in NOVA, I'd love to have Cardin represent me. Not that I dislike Kaine or Warner.

peggysue2

(10,828 posts)
9. LOL
Tue Jan 16, 2018, 01:04 PM
Jan 2018

I think we share a general mistrust of all things Greenwald at this point.

The fall from grace for a lot of these people has been stunning. Assange, anyone?

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,853 posts)
4. I really don't know anything about Chelsea Manning's run for office.
Tue Jan 16, 2018, 12:50 PM
Jan 2018

Other than she's filed to run.

But it strikes me as incredibly naive that she's running for the Senate against a popular Democratic incumbent. If she's serious about a political career, she should start with something that's at least somewhat winnable. I have no idea what the political landscape is exactly where she lives, but running for the state legislature would be a better start. If she is living in a district (house or senate) that she could realistically run for.

My guess is that she has had zero connection to actual on the ground politics, probably doesn't even know what a precinct chair is, has never attended any kind of meeting of local Democrats.

I'm also willing to predict that her campaign, such as it is, won't even last through the primary.

And it's possible to see Chelsea Manning as utterly unqualified at this point to be a United States Senator and not be someone who hates transgender people. Or women.

peggysue2

(10,828 posts)
12. Yes!
Tue Jan 16, 2018, 01:12 PM
Jan 2018

Poindexter. wrote:

"And it's possible to see Chelsea Manning as utterly unqualified at this point to be a United States Senator and not be someone who hates transgender people. Or women."

Of course, someone can or certainly should be able to view those two things at the same time without being deemed sexist or anti-trans.

I think there's an element out there throwing things against the wall to see what sticks and/or divides the Democratic Party before the November elections.

This is just one of them.

 

janterry

(4,429 posts)
6. Oppose? Why bother
Tue Jan 16, 2018, 12:54 PM
Jan 2018

She has close to zero chance of winning. The best strategy, imo, is to just support Ben Cardin.

We need his name front and center at all times. That other person? Naw.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,412 posts)
13. I agree that electing a Transgender person to Congress would be a BFD
Tue Jan 16, 2018, 01:13 PM
Jan 2018

but CM choosing this upcoming election and this particular seat to fight for doesn't make any sense to me. Why doesn't she find a Republican seat at the federal, state, or local level to start with? It's so weird how progressive activists always seem to target current Democratic officeholders moreso than Republican-held seats. Why is that?

Initech

(100,068 posts)
19. Probably because this particular senate seat is a member of the SIC.
Tue Jan 16, 2018, 03:11 PM
Jan 2018

And is authoring a huge document on Russian interference in western elections. Call it a hunch, but I think this is a bad deal and could potentially be dangerous. I support Ms. Manning, but I think she is doing this for all the wrong reasons.

 

bdtrppr6

(796 posts)
14. i agree trans folks
Tue Jan 16, 2018, 01:14 PM
Jan 2018

need representation and acceptance. I don't know that Chelsea Manning is the best rep for that group or any other actually. Just cause she's trans and running doesn't mean she knows what she's doing. If she can put out platforms and plans, maybe.

Working to get Cardin out is a mistake for the party in general.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
18. Unfortunately, this same ridiculous stuff lost us 2016.
Tue Jan 16, 2018, 03:02 PM
Jan 2018

We lost those famous 3 states by less than the number of declared Democrats/progressive independents who went to Jill Stein alone. Then there were the others who also, persuaded by the Greenwald-type agitators to reject Democrats, voted Trump, libertarian, or not at all.

Anything but Democrats because, as the Greenwalds pushed, pushed, pushed, our candidates were just too corrupt to support and people needed to better, moral choices.



Same propaganda being pushed right here, right now on DU for the midterms.

R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
32. +1000, so much propaganda! Its the same undermining
Tue Jan 16, 2018, 06:18 PM
Jan 2018

done in the name of “critiquing”. Agitators is s good name for it.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
36. He's obvious. But smart malicious intruders on social media
Tue Jan 16, 2018, 06:25 PM
Jan 2018

become embedded, comfortably familiar members of on-line communities over time, then start spreading their insidious poisons.

R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
40. That is so true and so well put. Its amazing how people
Tue Jan 16, 2018, 06:58 PM
Jan 2018

can believe the propaganda, and it can’t be effectively called out because of so-called “unity”, so the undermining continues.

mcar

(42,309 posts)
17. Didn't he also join/lead the chorus against HRC?
Tue Jan 16, 2018, 01:28 PM
Jan 2018

And scolded us "vagina voters" for supporting her just cause she's female?

Also interesting that the pro-Manning camp was, just a week ago, anti-Oprah bc she didn't have political experience.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
37. "Interesting." I sometimes search on hostile phrases here to see
Tue Jan 16, 2018, 06:28 PM
Jan 2018

where people are bringing them from, and of course many are launched from anti-Democratic propaganda nodes and spread far and wide by Republican agents, Koch agents, white supremacists, Russians, Greenwalds, and of course deluded dupes as well as MIs.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
20. The manner in which he writes is even devolving.
Tue Jan 16, 2018, 03:13 PM
Jan 2018

He is catering all aspects of his writings to the Bro's. To the point he is even dumbing down his verbiage.

When a snake-oil salesman meets for-profit media.

struggle4progress

(118,282 posts)
23. GG is a libertarian; and his political aims include promoting libertarian candidates
Tue Jan 16, 2018, 05:46 PM
Jan 2018

A few years back, he was pushing for a coalition between progressives and Paulites to support Gary Johnson for President

The basic strategy he and his ilk use -- bad-mouthing other people -- may have helped libertarians in 2016, when they pulled nearly 4.5 million votes (or over 3% of voters) for Johnson

He seems to have been arguing more recently that Russia didn't really interfere in the 2016 election, so right-wingers currently adore him

Poor Manning may not be a libertarian ideologue like GG, and evidently has even less political insight than GG, but the two do share a craving for attention










Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
26. Hey Glenn -- Old, straight white dude Bernie Sanders says hi
Tue Jan 16, 2018, 05:59 PM
Jan 2018

Last edited Tue Jan 16, 2018, 06:40 PM - Edit history (1)

and I'll just leave this classic here:

“Hillary is banal, corrupted, drained of vibrancy and passion. I mean, she’s been around forever, the Clinton circle. She’s a fucking hawk and like a neocon, practically. She’s surrounded by all these sleazy money types who are just corrupting everything everywhere. But she’s going to be the first female president, and women in America are going to be completely invested in her candidacy. Opposition to her is going to be depicted as misogynistic, like opposition to Obama has been depicted as racist. It’s going to be this completely symbolic messaging that’s going to overshadow the fact that she’ll do nothing but continue everything in pursuit of her own power. They’ll probably have a gay person after Hillary who’s just going to do the same thing."

http://www.mediaite.com/online/greenwald-bashes-neocon-hillary-clinton-shes-a-fcking-hawk/

peggysue2

(10,828 posts)
28. Lovely guy!
Tue Jan 16, 2018, 06:10 PM
Jan 2018

I actually missed this piece. Can't say I'm sorry about that either.

This garbage is exactly why The Trumpster is sitting in the WH, pretending to be King. Hope GG and his BFs are happy. Because they certainly aren't/weren't wise. But then, Greenwald had other pressing matters--wondering if or a movie was going to be made about him and Snowden. Yeah, that James Bond is so-o-o dumb. We all share his anxiety, I'm sure.

Ugh!

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
41. Wow!!! Congrats on breaking the 200k barrier!
Tue Jan 16, 2018, 06:59 PM
Jan 2018

Skinner-Earl-Elad owe you a gold Breitling or something, don't they?

Squinch

(50,949 posts)
27. One of our long-term resident trolls was pushing that same talking point just the other day.
Tue Jan 16, 2018, 06:03 PM
Jan 2018

While insisting he's not a troll.

peggysue2

(10,828 posts)
31. Yes, I vaguely . . .
Tue Jan 16, 2018, 06:16 PM
Jan 2018

recall that exchange. And many others. Curious how it's always the Democratic leadership that's targeted, must be removed, off with their heads, yada, yada, yada.

Seems as if there are plenty of GOP seats to challenge, no??

Strange that. Good thing I'm not the suspicious type.

Beartracks

(12,809 posts)
30. Interesting. Wouldn't put it past the PTB to...
Tue Jan 16, 2018, 06:16 PM
Jan 2018

... try to split the Dem vote by cynically ensuring solid, dependable Democrats are challenged by "history-making" candidacies that Dems are "supposed" to vote for so as to not appear hypocritical or less than progressive. Or at the least, ensuring coverage of such candidacies from people like Greenwald, to keep the shitpot stirred.

Me, if choosing between Dems, I go by issue positions, track record, and leadership qualities. It's just a bonus if it's a history-making candidate.

You know what would really make history? Dems winning back a Congressional chamber or two!

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peggysue2

(10,828 posts)
33. That's . . .
Tue Jan 16, 2018, 06:18 PM
Jan 2018

exactly the kind of history I'm interested in at the moment. First regain power. Then we set the table.

Cha

(297,196 posts)
38. Greenwald who rails against identity politics when it comes to race is stoking the hell out of
Tue Jan 16, 2018, 06:32 PM
Jan 2018



greenwald is a Hypocrite and a fucking Liar.. he's a useless pos.

peggysue
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