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Thu Jan 18, 2018, 12:17 PM

 

Do not count on young disaffected Republicans to vote for Dems in droves

Maybe a few here or there may cross over, but not in droves. There has been way too much brainwashing that it's either Republicans or nothing. Democratic Party voting does not play into any disaffected voting strategy. They are more likely not to vote at all.

So....disaffected young voters can still make a difference. It's been a proven fact that a lone isolated disaffected person is less likely to speak up and less likely to ultimately stray from the herd. However, the more often that these young disaffected Republican voters hear from other young disaffected Republicans that are willing to publicly admit their dismay and disappointments and lack of support for the orange anus, the more likely they are to look for a way to disassociate themselves from the corrupt Trump regime. Nothing works as well as peers for the younger crowd. It's important the media highlights and displays RWers that are mad and angry at Trump.

It makes sense that MSNBC has angry RWers on their shows, but I'm not sure these MSNBC shows are a magnet for RWers. There needs to be concerted effort to sow discord directly to the RWers using their own disaffected voters. Not in an effort to gain votes, but simply for the purpose of having them walk away from the GOP.

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Reply Do not count on young disaffected Republicans to vote for Dems in droves (Original post)
BoneyardDem Jan 2018 OP
beachbum bob Jan 2018 #1
lagomorph777 Jan 2018 #2
BoneyardDem Jan 2018 #4
lagomorph777 Jan 2018 #5
BoneyardDem Jan 2018 #8
Orrex Jan 2018 #3
lagomorph777 Jan 2018 #6
DinahMoeHum Jan 2018 #7
BoneyardDem Jan 2018 #9
Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #10
NewJeffCT Jan 2018 #15
msongs Jan 2018 #17
NewJeffCT Jan 2018 #18
onecaliberal Jan 2018 #11
Wounded Bear Jan 2018 #12
NewJeffCT Jan 2018 #13
Bradshaw3 Jan 2018 #14
BoneyardDem Jan 2018 #16
pnwmom Jan 2018 #19
crazycatlady Jan 2018 #20

Response to BoneyardDem (Original post)

Thu Jan 18, 2018, 12:40 PM

1. not voting would serve democrats well, as republicans give them nothing to vote FOR

 

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Response to BoneyardDem (Original post)

Thu Jan 18, 2018, 12:41 PM

2. Why would we be doing that? We've got to stop tilting at those idiotic windmills.

Get the base out. Decent people are still a strong majority.

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #2)

Thu Jan 18, 2018, 12:49 PM

4. agreed that is ONE strategic move

 

but politics and voting is always multi faceted. I attempted to address just one facet.

GOTV is a priority for sure, but I do belive we should chew gum and walk at the same time and get out the information to young RWers taht they are no alone in their disaffection for the GOP and Trump and it's ok to walk away from them.

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Response to BoneyardDem (Reply #4)

Thu Jan 18, 2018, 01:00 PM

5. Good luck.

Their heads are deeper down their shitholes than the Money Pit at Oak Island.

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #5)

Thu Jan 18, 2018, 01:14 PM

8. I don't think they will ever vote Dem....but perhpas they are no longer wanting to vote REP

 

...and media can play that part. I personally don't plan on spending a moment trying to "convert" a Rep, I know it can't be done.

Psych games...That's what I'm suggesting, appealing to young disaffected Reps by letting them know they are not alone. Certainly seemed to work during the Dem primaries.

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Response to BoneyardDem (Original post)

Thu Jan 18, 2018, 12:46 PM

3. Until they pledge never to vote Republican again, they are idiot racist fuckheads

Show me one hundred "remorseful" Trump voters, and I'll show you 99 people who are more or less absolutely guaranteed to vote Republican next time around.

Far from counting on them to vote Democrat, I'm very confident that they are even more likely to vote Republican.


Fuck them.

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Response to Orrex (Reply #3)

Thu Jan 18, 2018, 01:01 PM

6. Deplorable, Despicable, and Disposable.

Let 'em live in their sealed Shithole Universe.

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Response to BoneyardDem (Original post)

Thu Jan 18, 2018, 01:07 PM

7. Better to get the Democratic voters to SHOW UP.

When Democrats show up to vote, Democrats WIN.

As for disaffected GOoPers, if they stay home and not vote, that will count as more votes for Democrats, because those are votes not going to the GOP.


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Response to DinahMoeHum (Reply #7)

Thu Jan 18, 2018, 01:14 PM

9. THAT...is what I'm saying!!

 

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Response to BoneyardDem (Original post)

Thu Jan 18, 2018, 01:17 PM

10. According to what I have seen there are few almost( none')'young' GOP voters...the GOP is cooked as

a party in the coming years...deservedly...sewage scum is what they are. And the kids are getting their student loan agreements ripped up as we post and will pay way more...I think there is a wave coming of all sorts of voters...also why post something so negative?

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #10)

Thu Jan 18, 2018, 01:52 PM

15. In 2016

Clinton won voters under 30 by only 53-37%, a big dropoff from Obama's 60-32% margin against Romney in 2012 and 66-32% margin against McCain.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/11/09/behind-trumps-victory-divisions-by-race-gender-education/

That difference likely swung Michigan, PA and Wisconsin to Trump.

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Response to NewJeffCT (Reply #15)

Thu Jan 18, 2018, 03:32 PM

17. obama the cool dude vs clinton the grandma. image makes a big difference

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Response to msongs (Reply #17)

Thu Jan 18, 2018, 03:45 PM

18. It was a lot of things

youth turnout was some of it, the constant negative coverage of Clinton while Trump's huge negative explosions never lasted, Russian and Cambridge Analytica targeting, the Comey letter,

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Response to BoneyardDem (Original post)

Thu Jan 18, 2018, 01:35 PM

11. Im good if they just stay home.

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Response to BoneyardDem (Original post)

Thu Jan 18, 2018, 01:40 PM

12. Agreed....

Repubs are repubs and we'll probably never win them over.

Better to focus on the base, and on the 30% or so of people who normally stay home. If we can take a big bite out of that demographic and get them to vote for some sanity, we might just make this wave happen.

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Response to BoneyardDem (Original post)

Thu Jan 18, 2018, 01:47 PM

13. They won't vote for Democrats in droves, and Democrats don't need them to

If the pool of young Republicans in 2018 is similar to 2010 or 2014, we don't need them to vote in droves for Democrats.

If five of every 100 of them vote Democratic, five vote 3rd party and five to ten more of them stay home, it will make a huge difference in close elections. A 5% swing is no where close to "droves" voting Democratic.

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Response to BoneyardDem (Original post)

Thu Jan 18, 2018, 01:47 PM

14. Not true according to some

One of the voting experts I saw yesterday - think it was Sabato - said the exurbs have been going against repubs due to young republicans switching over because of trump. I don't have a link but neither does the OP. I did find two stories that tend to back up the experts claim.

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/333865-poll-more-young-republicans-left-gop-during-2016-election-than-democrats

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-politics/historic-turnout-of-young-voters-in-virginia-election-hints-at-national-problem-for-republicans/2017/11/24/8e90d978-cf03-11e7-9d3a-bcbe2af58c3a_story.html?utm_term=.b6498353a029

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Response to Bradshaw3 (Reply #14)

Thu Jan 18, 2018, 02:31 PM

16. These and many article are easy to find

 

polling stats often indicate young republicans as being upset at the GOP and Trump, but most claim they will vote RW anyway and not vote in droves for Dems. I guess I'm trying to find a way for the younger voting republicans to realize that they are not alone in feeling antagonistic towards the GOP, that many are choosing not to vote and it's ok to think that way because their peers are already "there". It's not a difficult Social Psychology method to understand "group" mentality.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/13/opinion/alabama-republicans-trump.html

Many once-Republican young people left the party, and many young people who might have considered themselves Republicans in the past are simply electing to stay independent. In the most recent Harvard Institute of Politics poll of Americans under 30, only 22 percent identified as Republican. The largest affiliation category was independent, at 39 percent. Research by NBC has confirmed that young voters increasingly see no need to identify with either party and are unsure if either one


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/10/06/does-the-republican-party-really-have-a-young-person-problem/?utm_term=.a988b14f3aaf

Although Americans younger than 30 are less likely to identify as Republicans than are older people, the trend has been stable. The graph below, which draws on surveys from the American National Election Studies (ANES), shows that the gap between different age groups that emerged in the early 2000s has stabilized. There is no clear downward trend in Republican identification among young people.
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Moreover, there is little evidence that younger Republicans view the Democratic Party much more favorably than older Republicans do. When asked to rate the Democratic Party on a 0-100 scale, where 100 is the most favorable rating, Republicans ages 18-29 gave the Democrats an average rating of 29.5 in 2016, while Republicans ages 65 and older gave the Democrats a rating of 21.7. Over time, Republicans of all age groups have become less favorable to the Democratic Party while remaining consistently favorable to their own party.

Second, within the Republican Party, young people are not always more consistently liberal than older people. For example, although young people are often described as racially progressive, younger Republicans do not have different views of African Americans. The graph below shows trends in Republicansí views on a scale ranging from 0-100, where 100 is the most favorable rating. Not only is there little change over time, but the views of all age groups are very similar. Trends in evaluations of Asian Americans and Hispanics tell a similar story.

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Response to BoneyardDem (Original post)

Thu Jan 18, 2018, 03:47 PM

19. Fortunately, there are fewer and fewer young Republican voters. n/t

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Response to BoneyardDem (Original post)

Thu Jan 18, 2018, 03:52 PM

20. If candidates want the young to vote, they have to speak to them

Talk about issues that pertain to them (such as student debt).

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