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Segami

(14,923 posts)
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 11:13 AM Jul 2012

Jack Gilchrist OWES President Obama and TAX PAYERS An Apology

Star of Romney Ad Did Receive Government Assistance


In a Mitt Romney ad last week, a stern Jack Gilchrist of Gilchrist Metal Fabricating tells President Obama that his family -- and not the government -- built his company.





But John DiStaso reports Gilchrist "did receive some government help:





MONDAY, JULY 23, UPDATE: HE GOT HELP. In the Mitt Romney campaign web and television ads that received national attention last week, a blunt Jack Gilchrist of Gilchrist Metal Fabricating in Hudson tells President Barack Obama that he, his father and his son _ and not the government _ built his company.


But as it turns out, Gilchrist did receive some government help for his business, albeit a long time ago.


In 1999, Gilchrist Metal received $800,000 in tax-exempt revenue bonds issued by the New Hampshire Business Finance Authority “to set up a second manufacturing plant and purchase equipment to produce high definition television broadcasting equipment,” according to a New Hampshire Union Leader report at the time.


The federal government allocates to each state a certain amount of tax-exempt bonding capacity each year for business and housing loans.


Because the bond buyers do not pay federal taxes on the interest, the interest rate for the borrower is typically lower than that of standard bank financing.


Last year, Gilchrist Metal also received two U.S. Navy sub-contracts totaling about $83,000 and a smaller, $5,600 Coast Guard contract in 2008, according to a government web site that tracks spending.











“It was a loser and I wish I had never done it,” he said. “I bought some equipment with it.”


But he did not shy away from the fact that he has utilized government programs.


He also said his company received a U.S. Small Business Administration loan totaling “somewhere south of” $500,000 in the late 1980s.


He said his business has also received matching funds from the New England Trade Adjustment Assistance Center (NETAAC), which is federally-funded.


Gilchrist said about 10 percent of his company's contracts are defense-related.


“It's a small piece,” he said. “But we do business with a plethora of industries and certainly defense is one of them.


“Defense business is a good way to help the economy. But the President wants to cut the crap out of the defense budget.


“I'm not going to turn a blind eye because the money came from the government,” he said. “As far as I'm concerned, I'm getting some of my tax money back.


“I'm not stupid, I'm not going to say 'no.' Shame on me if I didn't use what's available,” he said. “As a matter of fact, right now, I'm driving on a road.


“So, no,” said Gilchrist, “I don't feel as though I've compromised anything or misled anybody.”


The Romney campaign also stands by the ad.


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Jack Gilchrist OWES President Obama and TAX PAYERS An Apology (Original Post) Segami Jul 2012 OP
I hope Obama campaign makes a response ad to this. nt nanabugg Jul 2012 #1
K&R CJCRANE Jul 2012 #2
“As a matter of fact, right now, I'm driving on a road" Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2012 #3
All businesses salavate, like Pavlov's dog, for government contracts and low interest loans. xtraxritical Jul 2012 #27
Here's why it's useful to have Mitt out there making this argument alcibiades_mystery Jul 2012 #4
Unfortunately, that message has NOT been properly communicated. Segami Jul 2012 #5
If Jack had ANY testicular integrity, he would come clean Segami Jul 2012 #7
“As far as I'm concerned, I'm getting some of my tax money back. " toddwv Jul 2012 #6
Same old, tired rant. Segami Jul 2012 #9
great post /eom LittleGirl Jul 2012 #19
Nothing wrong with his claim that he is getting some of his tax money back. JDPriestly Jul 2012 #24
The entire premise of the ad is a lie, JBoy Jul 2012 #8
$800,000 is certainly not peanuts. proud2BlibKansan Jul 2012 #10
The question I would like to ask him is why didn't he go get a LOAN from HIS bank? Segami Jul 2012 #11
Contact info Oilwellian Jul 2012 #12
Thanks for the link. Segami Jul 2012 #13
This is the same as "Keep government out of my Social Security" BumRushDaShow Jul 2012 #14
They love to play the poor "clueless" soul when confronted with the truth but Segami Jul 2012 #15
Are you so comfortable about baldly lying, Mr. Gilchrist? JHB Jul 2012 #16
You're correct. He's NOT a stupid man BUT Segami Jul 2012 #18
Did he educate all of his employees too? maxrandb Jul 2012 #17
And the 2012 rethuglican xxqqqzme Jul 2012 #20
Same old rethug template. The McCain Campaign used the blue collar image of ' Joe-The-Plumber ' Segami Jul 2012 #22
1999 wasn't that long ago. Zoeisright Jul 2012 #21
A good illustration of the corroded soul of America's managing class Mopar151 Jul 2012 #23
Does he use the socialist roads and highways to move his goods to market? bluestateguy Jul 2012 #25
Republicans wave Old Glory around like a scripted play directed at their base Segami Jul 2012 #26
This post got pulled from unionleader. Sirveri Jul 2012 #28

Hassin Bin Sober

(27,461 posts)
3. “As a matter of fact, right now, I'm driving on a road"
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 11:22 AM
Jul 2012

Which is exactly the point Obama was making before you and your ilk chopped up the statement, Jack.

 

xtraxritical

(3,576 posts)
27. All businesses salavate, like Pavlov's dog, for government contracts and low interest loans.
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 06:52 PM
Jul 2012

I'm sure lots of companies owned by Bain took lots of government money over the years. Maybe that's why Rmoney won't share his tax returns? Fuck their lying anti government bullshit.

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
4. Here's why it's useful to have Mitt out there making this argument
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 11:24 AM
Jul 2012

It is, indeed, almost impossible to find a business that hasn't had some sort of subsidy, assistance, waiver, contract, or other help from the government. Obama is not making an "ideological" argument that we don't do it alone; he's making an empirical one. It is Romney who is making ideological points divorced from reality. So everytime Romney "finds" some supposed self-reliant business, it turns out not to be that at all. Romney is making Obama's case for him.

 

Segami

(14,923 posts)
7. If Jack had ANY testicular integrity, he would come clean
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 11:34 AM
Jul 2012

and cut a NEW ad for the Obama Campaign thanking the tax payers and government for helping him and his family expand their business.

toddwv

(2,831 posts)
6. “As far as I'm concerned, I'm getting some of my tax money back. "
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 11:31 AM
Jul 2012

That is a reoccurring theme amongst the most ardent (and some not-so-ardent) right-wingers.

"The gubmint didn't help me out, As far as I'm concerned, I'm just getting some of my tax money back."

 

Segami

(14,923 posts)
9. Same old, tired rant.
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 11:37 AM
Jul 2012

Typical Jack mind:



A DAY IN THE LIFE OF A REPUBLICAN


By John Gray


Joe gets up at 6:00am to prepare his morning coffee. He fills his pot
full of good clean drinking water because some liberal fought for
minimum water quality standards.

He takes his daily medication with his first swallow of coffee. His
medications are safe to take because some liberal fought to insure
their safety and work as advertised.

All but $10.00 of his medications are paid for by his employers
medical plan because some liberal union workers fought their
employers for paid medical insurance, now Joe gets it too. He prepares
his morning breakfast, bacon and eggs this day. Joe's bacon is safe to
eat because some liberal fought for laws to regulate the meat packing
industry.

Joe takes his morning shower reaching for his shampoo; His bottle is
properly labeled with every ingredient and the amount of its contents
because some liberal fought for his right to know what he was putting
on his body and how much it contained. Joe dresses, walks outside and
takes a deep breath. The air he breathes is clean because some tree-
hugging liberal fought for laws to stop industries from polluting our
air.

He walks to the subway station for his government subsidized ride to
work; it saves him considerable money in parking and transportation
fees. You see, some liberal fought for affordable public
transportation, which gives everyone the opportunity to be a
contributor.

Joe begins his work day; he has a good job with excellent pay,
medicals benefits, retirement, paid holidays and vacation because some
liberal union members fought and died for these working standards.
Joe's employer pays these standards because Joe's employer doesn't
want his employees to call the union.

If Joe is hurt on the job or becomes unemployed he'll get a worker
compensation or unemployment check because some liberal didn't think
he should loose his home because of his temporary misfortune.

It's noon time, Joe needs to make a Bank Deposit so he can pay some
bills. Joe's deposit is federally insured by the FSLIC because some
liberal wanted to protect Joe's money from unscrupulous bankers who
ruined the banking system before the depression.

Joe has to pay his Fannie Mae underwritten Mortgage and his below
market federal student loan because some stupid liberal decided that
Joe and the government would be better off if he was educated and
earned more money over his lifetime.

Joe is home from work, he plans to visit his father this evening at
his farm home in the country. He gets in his car for the drive to
dad's; his car is among the safest in the world because some liberal
fought for car safety standards.

He arrives at his boyhood home. He was the third generation to live
in the house financed by Farmers Home Administration because bankers
didn't want to make rural loans. The house didn't have electric until
some big government liberal stuck his nose where it didn't belong and
demanded rural electrification. (Those rural Republicans would still
be sitting in the dark)

He is happy to see his dad who is now retired. His dad lives on Social
Security and his union pension because some liberal made sure he could
take care of himself so Joe wouldn't have to. After his visit with dad
he gets back in his car for the ride home.

He turns on a radio talk show, the host keeps saying that liberals
are bad and conservatives are good (He doesn't tell Joe that his
beloved Republicans have fought against every protection and benefit
Joe enjoys throughout his day). Joe agrees, "We don't need those big
government liberals ruining our lives; after all, I'm a self-made man
who believes everyone should take care of themselves, just like I
have."





JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
24. Nothing wrong with his claim that he is getting some of his tax money back.
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 01:42 PM
Jul 2012

That's the whole point of paying taxes. We the people through our government can spend the tax money to help whoever needs it most, and wherever it will help the entire nation most. And that helps businessmen like him.

Helping him is important to the entire nation.

We don't just give our tax money away. The government does not just take it and throw it away. The tax money comes back to us in a million ways. He forgot to mention that his employees, most of them, went to public schools -- educated with tax money. He got a little of his tax money back in that way too. To say nothing of government underwriting of student loans and house loans and business loans by keeping our banking system afloat.

In fact, we all benefit from the money we pay in taxes. We saw under Bush what happens when rich people are excused from paying a good share back into taxes. We get mounting debt and failing infrastructure.

I hope that this fellow will figure this out before he votes in November.

The whole point in taxes is that it is a way to pool money and get some back in a better life for yourself and others.

JBoy

(8,021 posts)
8. The entire premise of the ad is a lie,
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 11:35 AM
Jul 2012

so having lies within the ad aren't surprising.

proud2BlibKansan

(96,793 posts)
10. $800,000 is certainly not peanuts.
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 11:41 AM
Jul 2012

How many other taxpayers have received that much from their government?

BumRushDaShow

(169,746 posts)
14. This is the same as "Keep government out of my Social Security"
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 12:24 PM
Jul 2012

One wonders whether they are that clueless or they do it on purpose figuring no one will call them on it?

 

Segami

(14,923 posts)
15. They love to play the poor "clueless" soul when confronted with the truth but
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 12:41 PM
Jul 2012

the reality is, they still come back to the trough to stuff their face and drink.


See post #9.

JHB

(38,213 posts)
16. Are you so comfortable about baldly lying, Mr. Gilchrist?
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 12:47 PM
Jul 2012

You are arguing against something that NO ONE SAID. That one little sound clip is as naked a case of "out of context" as it gets, sawing one part of a sentence off from the rest.

Given your business success, it's unlikely you're a stupid man or that you didn't understand the point the president was expressing. The candidate you're supporting said the very same thing to Olympic athletes a few years ago.

So if you understood what was said ("you didn't build that (infrastructure)&quot but are still starring in an ad that pretends he said "you didn't build that (your business)", then you are a liar. Nakedly.

 

Segami

(14,923 posts)
18. You're correct. He's NOT a stupid man BUT
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 01:00 PM
Jul 2012

he is stupid enough to ALLOW himself to be used as a ' propaganda tool ' by the Romney Campaign. Months from now, the Romney team will have moved on BUT he will be left behind no further ahead and still a 'lying tool' in the eyes of many and may I say that some of those dissenters live in his community and possibly even work for his company.

maxrandb

(17,425 posts)
17. Did he educate all of his employees too?
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 12:53 PM
Jul 2012

What an "ass-pickle".

This guy crapped in Rmoney's punch-bowl, and now, he's not only trying to polish that turd...he thinks he can pick it up by the clean end.

 

Segami

(14,923 posts)
22. Same old rethug template. The McCain Campaign used the blue collar image of ' Joe-The-Plumber '
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 01:24 PM
Jul 2012

( which was ridiculously laughable ) and now the Rmoney Campaign has resorted to the same old tactics by using the blue collar testimonial ( of which are lies ) of ' Jack-The-Metal-Fabricating-Guy '.

Mopar151

(10,348 posts)
23. A good illustration of the corroded soul of America's managing class
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 01:32 PM
Jul 2012

And I've qc'd Gilchrist work - they are good, but there are better out there. But the combination of ego and denial is typical of business owners in this area - to hear them tell it, they carried their whole business into the wilderness, one piece at a time. And they go all weak in the knees around a "money man" like Mitt......

bluestateguy

(44,173 posts)
25. Does he use the socialist roads and highways to move his goods to market?
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 02:08 PM
Jul 2012

Also, I don't think it's very patriotic to be going against our Commander in Chief at a time when we have troops in the field.

 

Segami

(14,923 posts)
26. Republicans wave Old Glory around like a scripted play directed at their base
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 06:23 PM
Jul 2012

anointing themselves Defenders of Freedom & Liberty. Its a running corporatist con game their clueless base swallow , hook, line and sinker every time.

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