Trump voters are upset because people are calling them stupid.

[shockey80]

Trump voters elected the most unqualified, incompetent, dishonest, greedy, corrupt person ever to the presidency. They do not have the ability to recognize any of it. What are people supposed to call that? Smart.

Not only are they stupid they also have a mental defect that does not allow them to recognize all of what I described about Trump. It's a mental defect that has killed millions of people throughout history. Blindly following until your life is destroyed.

[Kirk Lover]

1. Yes and their devotion certainly has cult like feel to it. n/t

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

2. It's the Dunning-Kruger effect.

Basically, it's when people are too stupid to know that they're stupid.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect

[onetexan]

26. right on, you can't fix stupid

[LastLiberal in PalmSprings]

38. I thought you said the Durning-Kruger effect

[certainot]

43. int's bigger than that. 1500 radio stations have been sued for 30 years to rationalize their stupid

and the racism and sexism...

and democrats and the left have completely ignored rw radio while it created the alternate reality they thrive in.

not only that, we let 88 major universities endorse 257 limbaugh stations with sports broadcasting. so, for instance, black athletes (and others) are being used to attract advertising for KKK radio stations!

not only are they stupid, we are bloody idiots to keep a free speech free ride to a few hundred ignorant racist think tank-scripted shitholes on 1500 radio stations get shithole traitors like trump elected and destroy our democracy.

[mountain grammy]

78. Exactly!

Right wing radio has been propped up by right wing billionaires.. Plenty of wealthy Democrats could take them on.. I remember when the LA channel went right wing and dumped a popular Stephanie Miller show for Rush shithole. Even with Rush ratings crashing, the right wing owners keep him on the air and pay him a fortune to sell his crap to stupid Americans.

But why aren't these things countered. Why doesn't Oprah buy fox news? I love listening to radio and Sirius has plenty of good progressive shows, worth the subscription.

[certainot]

81. i think it has to come down to protests at stations and the university and pro teams

that broadcast sports on them

the planet will burn up before liberals can buy enough stations.

and when those unis start pulling their games from limbaugh stations those stations might start offering slots to liberals to 'balance' their programming. they might try, but that puts truth and lies head to head and the right will lose that one.

[jazzcat23]

82. Thanks!

If only I could afford to get sirius....I only have am talk radio in Chgo for 3 wonderful hours of Thom Hartmann! I wondered about what happened to progressives with tons of cash to startup new radio shows? How do we get their attention?

[Major Nikon]

54. Trump is ate up with the Dunning-Kruger

There’s more to the syndrome than just being stupid. Those afflicted believe smart people are really the stupid ones and vise versa, so those in power surround themselves with those who are as incompetent as they are and fire smart, capable employees.

It’s actually a big problem in both government and private industry because once you are infected with Dunning-Kruger at high levels it is viral to the organization. Gross incompetence at high levels is a big cause of bankruptcy, which perfectly explains Trump’s business failures.

[Fortinbras Armstrong]

96. Are you suggesting that the Very Stable Genius

Overestimates himself?

[Major Nikon]

104. At the Dunning-Kruger Research Institute...

they should put up posters with his picture on them.

[uponit7771]

73. +1, their bubble confirms their intelligence often

[Bernardo de La Paz]

77. Coupled with Confirmation Bias

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

[smirkymonkey]

3. Well, they are stupid.

They should own it.

[Jarqui]

11. +1 If they voted for him, that's proof... period nt

[ailsagirl]

19. That's right

Sometimes the truth hurts

[thbobby]

4. There are two kinds of stupid people

Those that are smart enough to know they are stupid (including me).

Those that are too stupid to know they are stupid. trump voters.

[SWBTATTReg]

5. And not only just stupid...they are lashing out at anyone that ...

is doing better than them. Most economic development is going to occur in more highly developed areas of the country, e.g., the cities, where access to more raw materials, labor, etc. is simply there, vs. out-in-the-sticks-some-where-no-one-else-wants-to-be-there will live.

My folks lived out there and that is because my dad wanted to live out there when he retired. However, it was a struggle for them to keep their businesses going (insurance and CPA) since they were 20 miles + from town...my mom hated it too, since she wasn't close to anything anymore...

[Yavin4]

27. People moved to those kind of places to avoid "those" people

Fear of any diversity cuts them off from opportunities and keeps them in ignorance.

[DBoon]

103. Fear of diversity drives out the people who would save their local economies

Immigrants and the educated do not live where they are not appreciated. People who are born into an insular intolerant community will leave if they don't fit in.

[Va Lefty]

6. They are a cult

[TarponSnook]

7. The Cult of Trumpisms!!!!!

These deplorables are deaf, blind, and ignorant. I have finished trying to reason with people who are devoted Trumpis.
Therefore, I will gladly help push the bus over the cliff with a bunch of them white supremist, nazis, and even some of the evangelical conservative republican hypocrites.

[WhiteTara]

16. Welcome to DU!

Remember this is a marathon, not a sprint. The price of liberty is vigilance. I've been around for Nixon, Bush the Meaner and Bush the Dumber and now this. So, what I mean, is don't burn out on trumpers...there seem to be so many, they're like cockroaches.

I just heard a speech from a woman's march...Together we rise.

[FakeNoose]

76. Yes it has become a cult

... because there's no other sane reason for these people to cling to their idiocy.

If you were around during the days of Watergate, maybe you'll recall those misguided souls who insisted on remaining "loyal" to Nixon even after all the evidence was in and everyone could see how guilty he really was. It's going to be like that with Trump too. You wait and see.

[C_U_L8R]

8. Not just stupid. Mean and stupid.

Self-righteous assholes who believe in just about any old rightwing baloney, no matter how dumb or untrue.

[BSdetect]

9. They were defly guided by russian bots and Cambridge Analytica with Jared's input too.

[CountAllVotes]

10. Why they aren't just STUPID

They are STUPID & GREEDY!

They are now ONE with the shithole POS they admire!

If the shoe fits ...

& recommend.

[Persondem]

12. Shoe, meet foot. nt

[global1]

13. And They Are Being Let Off Easily By Only Being Called Stupid....nt

[NightWatcher]

14. Mama always said "Stupid is as stupid does"

[malaise]

17. I think they are right - they are not stupid

they are fucking stupid.

[bullwinkle428]

15. To quote Judge Judy - "Beauty fades, but stupid is forever!"

[ailsagirl]

18. Ummmm...

[PatrickforO]

20. I'm sick of catering to, and trying to reason with, people who remain

willfully and proudly ignorant.

I'm a progressive and support progressive candidates and progressive policies.

I will be voting in November, and my hope is that many, many other Americans who are as disgusted as I am with this ignorant, crazy group of people that make up the Republican base will ROLL OVER THEM at the polls and elect a sane government.

To be willfully and proudly ignorant IS to be stupid. So, let us send these stupid people back under their rocks in November. That is where they belong, not governing the country. They have proven time and again they have no idea how to do that. In my state, tea party people, when elected to local governments and school boards, invariably fuck things up because they literally don't have a clue how to make things run.

I'm so mad over this government shutdown I could spit.

[maryellen99]

21. Truth hurts nt

[WestIndianArchie]

22. No Doubt

How can you justify supporting a rich scumbag, that once in office gives himself a tax cut and raises taxes on you (the poor)? yup your a dunce

[not fooled]

69. Well said

Welcome to DU!

[UCmeNdc]

23. Trump is truly their cult leader.

They drink his orange Kool Aid.

[Beartracks]

24. And greedy. The irony is that they describe Democrats...

... as Me! Me! Me! selfish people, when the gist of conservatives vs liberals is this: Republicans don't want to help people, don't want to "pay for others." Can't get much more selfish than that.

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[lunasun]

51. Yes it is a combo platter I believe

[George II]

25. Proving that they ARE stupid. Duh!

[Freethinker65]

28. Meh

[MFM008]

29. They should hear

What I call them........

[underpants]

30. Ma Mama always said, "Stupid is as stupid does"

and that's all I got to say about that.

[usaf-vet]

32. We are telling the truth STUPID.

Otherwise seek immediate medical mental health care if you think you aren't stupid.

Delusional is also a possibility.

[RussBLib]

33. and gullible, and a little bit racist

and Fox News and the conservative blowhards on talk radio also come in for a heapin' helpin' o' scorn

[grumpyduck]

34. What bugs me isn't so much making a mistake

as it is refusing to admit the mistake.

I've been seeing this for years in several fields, and it seems to be more and more prevalent. I saw it at a couple of my jobs, and I started calling it "arrogant ignorance."

And then, of course, is the finger-pointing that follows it.

[alwaysinasnit]

35. Dangerously Stupid

The difficulty we have always faced was that the "deplorables" have always been manipulated by the unscrupulous (the GOP machine) into voting for them (the unscrupulous). Since there is no reasoning with the deplorables, then we must do our best to become more activist and to convince those in our sphere of influence to, if not become more activist, then to at least go vote. That seems to be the only way to make headway.

[raging moderate]

36. But I thought they didn't LIKE political correctness.

They keep saying the Orangeman's insults constitute "telling it like it is."

[sarge43]

37. Well look at it this way, Stupids

We could be calling you names more often found on truck stop privy walls.

[world wide wally]

39. And ugly too.

[Nitram]

40. This headline made my day!

[Stonepounder]

41. First they came for the Dreamers.

First they came for the Dreamers, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Dreamer.

Then they came for those on Obamacare, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not on Obamacare.

Then they came for those on Medicare, Medicaid, CHIPS, and Food Stamps and I did not speak out—
Because I didn't need those things.

Then they closed the factories and exported my job to China—and there were no jobs left for me.

(with apologies to Martin Niemöller)

[yuiyoshida]

42. They are not STUPID..THEY ARE

Fucked up.

[Major Nikon]

55. Both

Many people in rural areas consider stupid virtuous, and are suspicious of well educated folks.

[Different Drummer]

65. This, to the power of infinity! n/t

[PubliusEnigma]

44. At this point, to admit what they've done would be admitting they've done wrong.

They can't make this leap easily.

[LakeArenal]

45. Maybe they would feel better if we called them dangerously stupid..

[BobTheSubgenius]

46. Even Forrest Gump knew he was "not a smart man."

His IQ (if you believe in those) was 75, so where does that leave these cretins?

[onecaliberal]

47. Their stupidity is burning us all.

[ancianita]

48. They are. Lifelong groupthink validations keep them reinforcing their "consensus reality."

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I'll be saying this to some of them in the weeks ahead: " it's okay, you made a bet and you're not winning. I get it.

1. Don't hold on to a mistake just because you spent a long time making it.

2. Sometimes you've got to let a ship sink. And

3. There are two kinds of pain -- the pain of disease and pain of healing. Don't confuse the disease pain of clinging with the healing pain of letting go."

[Iggo]

106. Re: #1

That's one of those "rock bottom" lessons that are really hard to teach before the bad thing happens.

[muntrv]

49. I don't call them stupid

I call them ignoramuses.

[SharonClark]

50. It is less that we call them stupid and more that their leaders claim we call them stupid

The right wing loves to claim that they know what progressives/Dems/liberals/feminists/gays/blacks, etc., think and say. They are brilliant that way and their followers eat it up.

[duforsure]

52. They ought to be grateful

I've heard a lot worse words used for them.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

53. Aw the poor snowflakes

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They can dish it out but can't take it.

[3catwoman3]

56. If the tinfoil hat...

...fits -

[easttexaslefty]

57. Poor snowflakes

[Richard D]

58. They should be happy with "stupid" . . .

. . . I mean, it's better than "complete moronic fu$king assholes with IQ's you can count on one hand who make a broken brick look intelligent . . . "

[iluvtennis]

59. Trump voters are white racists - many of which are also stupid.

[Gothmog]

60. But trump supporters are very stupid

[bluestarone]

61. they must be STUPID IF THEY THINK

we're gonna call them smart

[JI7]

62. They need to hang on to their White Superiority

[democratisphere]

63. Lemmings that would follow drumpf into the sea. Stupid.

[reflection]

64. I make mistakes all the time.

Who doesn't? But some very bad consequences when I was younger forced me to take self-inventory and rethink some things. Even today I try to stop every now and then and reflect on past decisions and attitudes and recalibrate as needed. I think that a responsible person never stops learning and never stops growing. Many of these Trump voters are utterly incapable or unwilling to admit their mistake, probably because Trump himself views that sort of thing as weakness. It's very sad.

[Skittles]

66. they are worse than stupid

if they STILL support him now they are racist, fascist ASSHOLES

[Enoki33]

67. They choose to not look beyond if l believe it, it must therefore be true. They

are ignorant by choice and stupid by actions.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

68. Trump voters probably don't think they're dumb.

[bucolic_frolic]

70. Tell them you call then stupid because you care about them

consider it an intervention

After you tell them off, say "you're welcome" and walk away.

[uponit7771]

71. BINGO !!! They don't want to be held responsible for believing Pizza Gate !!!

[Doitnow]

72. One of my favorite sayings is---Stupid people don't know they're stupid---and today I've added

to it---Stupid people don't know who else is stupid.

[JDC]

74. Dimwitted. My bad

[Honeycombe8]

75. They ARE stupid...except for the top 10% rich ones. They know; it's just they chose the gold. nt

[jrthin]

79. Why would anyone be upset

About saying water wet.

[Squinch]

80. Good to know. I'll be upping my frequency of saying it.

[The Wizard]

83. They voted for Trump because

he said he'd keep the coloreds in their place. It's the simpleton vote that's dividing the nation.

[summer_in_TX]

84. Painting them with a broad brush is a mistake.

Though I live in a rural area of Texas, the Trump voters I know were retired NASA engineers and scientists, retired military, school teachers, people who had been in oil and gas.

Intelligent people, kind and helpful people much of the time. Many are very civic minded and volunteer their time.

The common denominator seems to be watching FOX News and listening to RW media.

They very much resented being judged and called racists, stupid, and deplorables. While a percentage of Trump voters are racists, some believed the propaganda about Hillary, held their nose in some cases, and voted for Trump. In my opinion, the judgment and labeling makes them mad as fire and then they rejoice in spiting us, as they see it.

While the hard core supporters will never move, I believe some are already waking up. But I'm not sure they'll actively turn on Trump, because they would hate to give the liberals they see as snobby elites any satisfaction.

Of course Fox is stirring up the resentment constantly - but if we look in the mirror, we're doing much the same ourselves.

I admire Sarah Silverman's approach and I suspect it will allow the R's who are having second thoughts speak up.

[Alwaysna]

89. I agree with you.

To generalize trump voters is a huge mistake. They can be won over but not by calling them stupid or talking down to them. This can not be a hopeless situation. Indeed Fox has brain washed their minds. One mistake the democrats make is to allow the other side to frame the narrative and to define what it is to be a Democrat. I wish there were more public radio stations in the rural areas. Usually next to a public radio station on the dial is a religious station with a more powerful signal. You tube ads representing
democratic ideals targeting young voters placed on the type of videos they watch can be powerful. Something like the "daisy commercial" from 1964. Or the pollution and American Indian ad from long ago. We have too much at stake to view all Trump voters as impossible.

[JI7]

91. they ARE racist if they are still supporting Trump now

[Pacifist Patriot]

94. Believing the propaganda seems to support the accusation of stupidity though.

Intelligent people in their field unable to use critical thinking skills regarding the media they consume is a type of stupidity.

I personally do not call Trump voters stupid to their face, and do try to engage them amiably and reasonably. I work with several. But these conversations, which never devolve into name calling or insults, have only cemented my initial impression of stupidity. The things they believe are astounding, and their resistance to fact-based argumentation and persistence in believing things that go against their own self-interest is indeed stupid.

[Bradical79]

100. Really doesn't matter what we call them on this forum

They made a stupid, racist, and deplorable choice by supporting someone who wears all of those traits on his sleeves. They do embody at least one of those destructive traits. When it comes down to it, a very large number of people are going to point that out on the internet when you've willingly made such a choice, and there's nothing that can be done about it.

There's also no shortage of people explaning how bad their choice was in a more emotionless analytical manner. Everything is there for them to take part in some introspection next time around. If you want to lead an effort locally to change their minds and realize their mistakes, more power to you, but asking the internet to coddle them in the meantime isn't going to get you anywhere, practically speaking.

[jmbar2]

85. Rather than labeling them as stupid....

Consider what George Lakoff has to say.

Conservatives and progressives have two different moral hierarchies. Their's is the strong, authoritarian father. Ours is the nurturing family. Mental frames are hardwired into our brains over time. When you challenge them to understand the other side, their brains are not capable of processing that information.

There are ways to get through to them. Here is a link to a a detailed discussion of the cognitive bases for the great divide. It's about one hour, but a good investment of time:

Conservative Moral Hierarchy- Lakoff
https://soundcloud.com/user-253479697

The hardest right will not change. But there are those in the middle that can be helped to understand. We have to start by not calling them stupid.

[Turbineguy]

86. To call them stupid is unkind.

Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, Alex Jones and a host of other enemies of the USA sucked their brains out.

[sharedvalues]

98. Yes! They were lied to by right wing propaganda

[47of74]

87. They are unfamiliar with Russian epic of Cinderella....

....if shoe fits.

[DoctorJoJo]

88. Many Are Evangelicals, Who Appreciate His Moral Rectitude and Piety, And ....

... who must also believe marriage is between a Man, His Third Wife, and Multiple Porn Stars! Now these people ARE stupid on a stick!

[marlakay]

90. He pulled a fast one on a lot of voters

That don’t pay attention and only vote for president by ads they see or people they know. These are mostly non political people that don’t really care who wins.

[es466]

92. I'll say! Their "snowflake" appelations are nothing more than projection

[HAB911]

93. Oh, bless their hearts

[sellitman]

95. I cannot argue with a Trumper anymore.

I consider them too stupid to argue with. It's the same reason I won't argue with my fence posts all around my yard.

[sharedvalues]

97. I prefer Suckers. They got suckered by Fox and Limbaugh.

[dlk]

99. If The Shoe Fits...

[CrispyQ]

101. They also will never admit when they're wrong. Just like Trump.

In fact, they often double down.

[Gothmog]

102. These idiots are so stupid that it is funny

[kydo]

105. They are just gullible. Which is worse then stupid. They hate being suckers.

But don't want to admit it when they were fooled. As it makes them look stupid. So they get mad at us for calling them stupid when they realized they got conned. Even though we didn't call them stupid, they just assumed we did because they would if the tables were turned. Of course we end up calling them stupid as what they just did was really stupid. But based on a misguided idea on what pride is, not their actual brains. So they end up looking like stupid losers and thus becoming that which they despise, stupid and gullible.