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Mon Jan 22, 2018, 02:13 PM

mark my words. The immigration deal will fail.

It won't work because Mc Connell already said he will put on the agenda after Feb 8th, DACA along with border security and related items. In short, its not a clean DACA bill, they will attach a load of bullcrap that we wont be able to go for.

McConnell will be able to say he kept his promise and we will be screwed.

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Reply mark my words. The immigration deal will fail. (Original post)
drray23 Jan 2018 OP
TheCowsCameHome Jan 2018 #1
atreides1 Jan 2018 #4
global1 Jan 2018 #2
Baitball Blogger Jan 2018 #3
annabanana Jan 2018 #6
Joe941 Jan 2018 #23
TDale313 Jan 2018 #5
unblock Jan 2018 #7
avebury Jan 2018 #14
RandomAccess Jan 2018 #20
Atticus Jan 2018 #8
Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #16
RandomAccess Jan 2018 #21
kentuck Jan 2018 #9
global1 Jan 2018 #10
kentuck Jan 2018 #11
scheming daemons Jan 2018 #13
scheming daemons Jan 2018 #12
Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #15
The_Casual_Observer Jan 2018 #17
Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #19
Justice Jan 2018 #18
Vinca Jan 2018 #22

Response to drray23 (Original post)

Mon Jan 22, 2018, 02:15 PM

1. Yup. Under the bus we go.

Sad.

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Response to TheCowsCameHome (Reply #1)

Mon Jan 22, 2018, 02:16 PM

4. Under the bus...

...the Dreamers go!!!!

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Response to drray23 (Original post)

Mon Jan 22, 2018, 02:16 PM

2. Totally Agree With You.....nt

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Response to drray23 (Original post)

Mon Jan 22, 2018, 02:16 PM

3. Yep. Schumer fell for the Lucy scam.

Schumer, you blockhead!

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Response to Baitball Blogger (Reply #3)

Mon Jan 22, 2018, 02:21 PM

6. +1. . . n/t

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Response to Baitball Blogger (Reply #3)

Mon Jan 22, 2018, 04:12 PM

23. What on earth was he thinking?!?

 

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Response to drray23 (Original post)

Mon Jan 22, 2018, 02:22 PM

7. the specifics of the promise don't much matter.

we didn't agree to pass whatever daca bill he comes up with no matter the strings attached.

nor did we agree to fund the government beyond the 3-week negotiating period.


if congress can't pass something democrats can live with, then the shutdown returns and we renegotiate.


at worst all we gave up was a 3-week delay.

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Response to unblock (Reply #7)

Mon Jan 22, 2018, 02:33 PM

14. And if the Democrats don't dig in the next time

they may end up with trouble with their own base. They will be able to prove that the Rethugs can't be trusted. I am so sick and tired of the Democrats caving. The budget votes are the only time that the Democrats have any kind of leverage and I hate to see them waste it.

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Response to avebury (Reply #14)

Mon Jan 22, 2018, 04:07 PM

20. they may end up with trouble with their base NOW

 

IMO Schumer had no business getting into this if he didn't intend to see it through.

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Response to drray23 (Original post)

Mon Jan 22, 2018, 02:23 PM

8. Yeah, but gee whiz, kids! Our leaders can't be expected to pick up on

such intricate and totally not obvious probabilities. Boy, those Republicans are SLICK!

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Response to Atticus (Reply #8)

Mon Jan 22, 2018, 02:35 PM

16. Gee whiz kids...too bad voters didn't put the Dems in power so none of this happened...

The Dems do what they can...but voters fucked up badly.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #16)

Mon Jan 22, 2018, 04:09 PM

21. BOY, are YOU off base

 



pnwmom:
Hillary didn't lose because she was less POPULAR. She lost because of James Comey's letters and because of some even more important factors -- more important because they're not going away. They will be used against us in every election going forward, unless we can stop them.

The big problems are voter suppression, Russian meddling, and targeted voter propaganda through Twitter, Google, Facebook, and other forms of social media. There is no question that the Trump campaign, through Cambridge Analytica, did this -- and that the Russians did this. The only question is how much they conspired together in the propaganda campaign.

We need to figure out how to defend the democratic process from fake news and micro-targeted AI propaganda -- or lose our democracy. https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029576691



Here is how they stole the election, well this and KGB operatives V Crosscheck in action:
Trump victory margin in Michigan: 13,107
Michigan Crosscheck purge list: 449,922

Trump victory margin in Arizona: 85,257
Arizona Crosscheck purge list: 270,824

Trump victory margin in North Carolina: 177,008
North Carolina Crosscheck purge list: 589,393
http://www.gregpalast.com/election-stolen-heres/



23:00 6/25/2017
PALMER: Rigged election: Donald Trump won every surprise swing state by the same 1% margin
http://www.palmerreport.com/opinion/rigged-election-donald-trump-won-every-surprise-swing-state-by-the-same-1-margin/118/

The most commonly posited explanation of Donald Trump’s shocking election victory was that every professional pollster in the nation – despite each working independently and using differing methodologies – somehow managed to overlook the same pockets of Trump voters in these states. If such pockets did exist, they would have existed in varying sizes in each of the four states, thus resulting in different sized wins in each.

Ask any statistician and they’ll tell you that a reasonable distribution of the results would have been Trump winning one of the states by one percent, won one of them by perhaps three percent, won one of them by two percent, lost one of them by one percent, or something along those lines. But instead the voting tallies looked startlingly different from any natural distribution. In fact they looked startlingly the same.

According to the New York Times, the voting results broke down like this: Trump won Florida by just over one percent of the vote. He also won Pennsylvania by just over one percent. He won Michigan by just under one percent. And he won Wisconsin by precisely one percent. That’s not how numbers tend to work in the real world.

On its own, this kind of suspiciously consistent numerical dispersion across the four states that decided the election would be something that could be written off as a mere fluke. But when you put it within the context of the numerous other ways in which the voting tallies make no mathematical sense, it points to the numbers having been rigged or altered.

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Response to drray23 (Original post)

Mon Jan 22, 2018, 02:24 PM

9. It will come to the floor for a vote...

And most of the Senators that voted to re-open the government today will vote to protect the "Dreamers". However, there will be no guarantees beyond that. Since Democrats do not control either branch of government, that would be a victory, in my opinion.

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Response to drray23 (Original post)

Mon Jan 22, 2018, 02:25 PM

10. Another Scenario Is That McConnell Will Keep His End Of The Deal - The Senate Will....

come up with some deal on DACA and Trump will scuttle it.

I wouldn't be surprised if Mitch and Trump have worked that out already.

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Response to global1 (Reply #10)

Mon Jan 22, 2018, 02:28 PM

11. But when a vote gets 81 Senators...

Any President will have to think twice before talking about a veto. It would be terribly embarrassing to have your veto over-ridden.

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Response to global1 (Reply #10)

Mon Jan 22, 2018, 02:31 PM

13. In that case, the visual of dreamers being rounded up will INCREASE the blue wave in November

 

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Response to drray23 (Original post)

Mon Jan 22, 2018, 02:30 PM

12. There will be a DACA vote.... or Dems will have buttloads of TV ads for '18.

 

Dems hold the leverage now.

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Response to drray23 (Original post)

Mon Jan 22, 2018, 02:34 PM

15. And? That would be the GOP's fault not the Democrat's fault...we have no levers of power to get it

done...any chance we could do much of anything ended in November of 16...our leaders have done a remarkable job thus far but there are limits...I hope it works...but it may not. We have no other option.

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Response to drray23 (Original post)

Mon Jan 22, 2018, 02:37 PM

17. Won't they be back doing the same thing Feb 8th? They could face another shutdown, No?

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Response to The_Casual_Observer (Reply #17)

Mon Jan 22, 2018, 02:40 PM

19. The difference is that CHIP is now funded for six years...so no more DACA vs CHIP.

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Response to drray23 (Original post)

Mon Jan 22, 2018, 02:37 PM

18. Definitely have 60 votes for a deal - question of getting there.


I think McConnell will be forced by his own fellow GOP to put up bill. The real issue is what happens if Senate passes? What will Ryan do?

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Response to drray23 (Original post)

Mon Jan 22, 2018, 04:09 PM

22. If it eventually fails, it will only be because we are in the minority. VOTE!

You can't wave a magic wand and turn Republicans into sane people.

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