In 3 weeks I am in favor of Democrats trading Trump his whole border wall to save the DACA people

[TeamPooka]

if necessary.
Let him have the money.
If we save these kids it's worth it and it comes with a bonus.
Trump loses twice if he takes the deal.

First, his base will hate that he gave ANYONE amnesty.
The will hate the GOP Senators and House members that vote for it too.
They all might get primaries because of it, because of their hate.
I mean capital "H" Hate.
The GOP base has such hate for people of color it clouds everything else they do.
They don't care that like 80% of people think they should get to stay.
This people will go ape-shit.

Second, then every Democratic Party campaign gets to talk about how Trump is WASTING Americans money for the wall he promised them over and over again that Mexico will pay for, that we don't even need.

It's a hammer and chisel combo that will chip away at his base and other followers from now til 2020.
When we win with the Blue Wave coming in 2018 we will stop the wall in the House or Senate anyway.

[Eliot Rosewater]

1. Very risky but in the end it wont be built, cant be, at least much of it cant be for

reasons chief traitor is too fucking dumb to understand and his supporters dont understand.

The risky part is letting the "he mastered the negotiation" lie to perpetuate, but if it means saving these kids, then save them we must.

[Demsrule86]

6. We are all in agreement here.

[Eliot Rosewater]

7. Seems like common sense to me. I mean if their well being is our top priority anyway.

Either we walk the walk or we dont.

[Irish_Dem]

2. The estimated wall cost: $50 billion over 25 years?

Wow, we sure got blackmailed big time.

[Canoe52]

13. Hey now, He said Mexico was paying for it!

Don’t you believe him?

[Irish_Dem]

14. Sure, Mexico has an extra $50 Billion to spare and they would love to give it to Trump. nt

[VMA131Marine]

3. Planning for the wall will take years

Give Trump some planning money for now and then cancel it after he's been impeached.

[scheming daemons]

4. Dems can give Trump his "wall" in exchange for DACA.... because Dem congress can defund wall in 2019

...when we control the purse strings.

Good point.

[TeamPooka]

11. exactly. Meanwhile it pissess off his base along the way.

[Demsrule86]

5. I agree. The DACA kids are the most important thing.

[renate]

8. I agree. It's like giving candy to a screaming toddler to get them to shut up

A good parent doesn't cave, but it's not as though we care about raising Trump right. Those 800,000 families don't care about the principle of the thing. Just let him have it.

[scheming daemons]

9. And after the midterms, we can defund it. Or use defunding it as a bargaining tool for other things

....like protecting SS or Medicare.

or protections for the ACA.

[renate]

10. that's a really good point

I kind of like the idea of turning the tables and using it as a bargaining chip.

[NCTraveler]

12. Im all for this...

As long as the two aren’t tied to each other in any way. I don’t think many have thought their way through the wall. Outside of small sections, most will be hung up in the courts for years. The visual of small I completed sections won’t look good for Republicans.

[TeamPooka]

19. that is a good point. Rusting monuments to their racism across the southwest.

[sellitman]

15. Never bargain with terrorists

No.

Hard line in the Sand. Let the GOP run after seeing DACA people deported.

It will be a blue wave the likes we have never seen.

[TeamPooka]

18. I am unwilling to sacrifice the lives of 700,000 people, where America

I am unwilling to sacrifice the lives of 700,000 people, where America Is the only home they have ever known, To be deported For a political agenda. Our party does the right thing by people, not letting them suffer so we can score political victories. That’s what the Republicans do.

[standingtall]

16. No sorry DACA is less than

0.3% of the total population. That border wall will be a lasting symbol of racism to marginalize Hispanic Americans for generations. Not worth the trade off.

[TeamPooka]

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