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WilliamPitt

(58,179 posts)
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 03:44 PM Jul 2012

Learn to swim.

Satellites see unprecedented Greenland ice sheet surface melt

Extent of surface melt over Greenland’s ice sheet on July 8 (left) and July 12 (right). Measurements from three satellites showed that on July 8, about 40 percent of the ice sheet had undergone thawing at or near the surface. In just a few days, the melting had dramatically accelerated and an estimated 97 percent of the ice sheet surface had thawed by July 12. In the image, the areas classified as “probable melt” (light pink) correspond to those sites where at least one satellite detected surface melting. The areas classified as “melt” (dark pink) correspond to sites where two or three satellites detected surface melting. The satellites are measuring different physical properties at different scales and are passing over Greenland at different times. As a whole, they provide a picture of an extreme melt event about which scientists are very confident.



Read: http://phys.org/news/2012-07-satellites-unprecedented-greenland-ice-sheet.html

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malthaussen

(17,186 posts)
1. Jesus Harold Fucking Christ on a Pogo Stick Wearing a Propeller Beanie
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 03:50 PM
Jul 2012

... there have been times, recently, when I've wondered if maybe the Mayans were on to something after all.

And tomorrow my electricity goes off all day with expected highs in the upper 90s. I'm so happy to be alive.

-- Mal

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
6. I'm still happy to be alive, but
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 06:40 PM
Jul 2012

I wish that there was some way I could do more to educate and convince people that we are not doing enough. I wish I didn't have to fight every time someone parrots Rush with the "humans can't harm the world" bullshit.

But I am happy I am still alive to fight the fight.

hatrack

(59,583 posts)
3. Summit Station is near the highest point on Greenland, two miles above sea level - it melted there
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 04:14 PM
Jul 2012

EDIT

Even the area around Summit Station in central Greenland, which at 2 miles (3.2 kilometers) above sea level is near the highest point of the ice sheet, showed signs of melting. Such pronounced melting at Summit and across the ice sheet has not occurred since 1889, according to ice cores analyzed by Kaitlin Keegan at Dartmouth College in Hanover, N.H. A National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration weather station at Summit confirmed air temperatures hovered above or within a degree of freezing for several hours July 11 to 12.

"Ice cores from Summit show that melting events of this type occur about once every 150 years on average. With the last one happening in 1889, this event is right on time," said Lora Koenig, a Goddard glaciologist and a member of the research team analyzing the satellite data. "But if we continue to observe melting events like this in upcoming years, it will be worrisome."

Nghiem's finding while analyzing Oceansat-2 data was the kind of benefit that NASA and ISRO had hoped to stimulate when they signed an agreement in March 2012 to cooperate on Oceansat-2 by sharing data.

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http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2012-217

padruig

(133 posts)
7. an 'extreme event', yes, but before you get out the water-wings ...
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 06:52 PM
Jul 2012

Greenland keeps everyone guessing and this is no different. We've seen her glaciers speed up, slow down, watched her edges accreted. Its been a lively couple of years of observations.

We always see a summer melt but this years melt is more substantial than previous which leads to the suspicion that the winter wasn't as cold or there was a heating event. Data from Goddard indicates the latter.

from NASA Earth Sciences News team, GSFC

"The Greenland ice sheet is a vast area with a varied history of change. This event, combined with other natural but uncommon phenomena, such as the large calving event last week on Petermann Glacier, are part of a complex story," said Tom Wagner, NASA's cryosphere program manager in Washington. "Satellite observations are helping us understand how events like these may relate to one another as well as to the broader climate system."

Son Nghiem of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif., was analyzing radar data from the Indian Space Research Organisation's (ISRO) Oceansat-2 satellite last week when he noticed that most of Greenland appeared to have undergone surface melting on July 12. Nghiem said, "This was so extraordinary that at first I questioned the result: was this real or was it due to a data error?"

Nghiem consulted with Dorothy Hall at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Md. Hall studies the surface temperature of Greenland using the Moderate-resolution Imaging Spectroradiometer (MODIS) on NASA's Terra and Aqua satellites. She confirmed that MODIS showed unusually high temperatures and that melt was extensive over the ice sheet surface.

Thomas Mote, a climatologist at the University of Georgia, Athens, Ga; and Marco Tedesco of City University of New York also confirmed the melt seen by Oceansat-2 and MODIS with passive-microwave satellite data from the Special Sensor Microwave Imager/Sounder on a U.S. Air Force meteorological satellite.

The melting spread quickly. Melt maps derived from the three satellites showed that on July 8, about 40 percent of the ice sheet's surface had melted. By July 12, 97 percent had melted.

This extreme melt event coincided with an unusually strong ridge of warm air, or a heat dome, over Greenland. The ridge was one of a series that has dominated Greenland's weather since the end of May. "Each successive ridge has been stronger than the previous one," said Mote. This latest heat dome started to move over Greenland on July 8, and then parked itself over the ice sheet about three days later. By July 16, it had begun to dissipate.


Even the area around Summit Station in central Greenland, which at 2 miles above sea level is near the highest point of the ice sheet, showed signs of melting. Such pronounced melting at Summit and across the ice sheet has not occurred since 1889, according to ice cores analyzed by Kaitlin Keegan at Dartmouth College in Hanover, N.H. A National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration weather station at Summit confirmed air temperatures hovered above or within a degree of freezing for several hours July 11-12.

"Ice cores from Summit show that melting events of this type occur about once every 150 years on average. With the last one happening in 1889, this event is right on time," says Lora Koenig, a Goddard glaciologist and a member of the research team analyzing the satellite data. "But if we continue to observe melting events like this in upcoming years, it will be worrisome."


To quote Roger Revelle

"Thus human beings are now carrying out a large scale geophysical experiment of a kind that could not have happened in the past nor be reproduced in the future. Within a few centuries we are returning to the atmosphere and oceans the concentrated organic carbon stored in sedimentary rocks over hundreds of millions of years."

11 Bravo

(23,926 posts)
8. I hope Limbaugh avoids choking on a pork chop long enough to see the ocean rise up ...
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 07:03 PM
Jul 2012

and swamp his Palm Beach home. Eat shit and die, Pigboy!

Tsiyu

(18,186 posts)
12. That blue is so stunning
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 09:40 PM
Jul 2012

Sad what's happening, and we need to get serious about our climate and what we're doing to it, but just must say those pics were so absolutely refreshing after a hot day.

Gregorian

(23,867 posts)
11. The human race is out of control. I've posted my thoughts on this forum.
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 09:38 PM
Jul 2012

We are in a crisis as the result of not realizing limits. Our ingenuity has rolled over our humanity. We didn't know when to stop. Now we're drunk on the power we enjoy, and turning back is a hard road.

Having said that, this two part problem has easy solutions. Both of which consist of literally nothing. No technology. No effort.

We got to this place in this time through noble attempts to create a better world. I have to ask, when is it good enough? When we had refrigeration? Novocaine? Internal combustion? All of these things are legitimate steps toward a life that is far better than what we found when we first woke up here.

The answer is that we need to slow down the usage. And this goes far beyond global warming. And that means one, if not two things. I don't know how we can accomplish it if no one will entertain the idea. We can stop our activities, or we can decrease the number of those who are using resources.

That's it. It's not open to debate. It's simply what must be. The alternative is going to rapidly show us results that will force us into a situation which will be far worse than taking control of the situation and reversing the forces that are destroying the planet.

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