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[cthulu2016]

1. This should be the tipping point for re-banishing gun posts

[Edweird]

2. Thanks for the kick.

[samsingh]

21. i believe in Santa Clause. Prove he doesn't exist.

you obviously don't have to care about my belief, except where it could potentially harm you. So if someone started through tnt up in the air saying the Santa Clause will save us, that might change some minds about my beliefs.

[Edweird]

28. Thanks for the kick!

[samsingh]

55. i'm sure you're getting a lot of kicks right now. quite amusing during this stress time

when most of us are heart broken about the wasted lives and tragedy.

[Edweird]

120. Oh man. That's awesome. But what would really 'show me' is proof about the 'bullet proof' vest.

That would REALLY humiliate me. So it's your time to shine Bupkus. Show me what kind of vest he was wearing.

[Edweird]

144. Yeah, that's the one in my OP. It's not a 'bullet proof vest'. It's just a vest.

Look at the image in my OP. That's it. See? That's why I don't believe he had a 'bullet proof' vest on.

[Edweird]

157. Ok, now which one of those is a bullet proof vest? (Hint: NONE)

The 'Urban Assault Vest' is the image in my OP. It IS NOT a 'bullet proof' vest.

[pnwmom]

201. Why would you expect every piece of evidence to be already made public

only days after the murders?

[Edweird]

202. Seriously? We know what he bought and when and where he bought it. Why would this one item

be excluded?

[pnwmom]

215. Seriously? You think omissions never occur?

[Edweird]

218. About a 'bullet proof vest'? That's extremely significant.

That's not an afterthought - that's a story in itself.

[aka-chmeee]

153. Thank You! nt

[cthulu2016]

36. PS: I agree with you

I doubt he was wearing the level or quality of body armor reported.

And I think Will Pitt's OP was stupid.

But my comment stands. This OP is an in-your-face abuse of the recent relaxed moderation of GD.

IMO.

[freshwest]

4. Obama and the families don't want the shooter glorified by attention.

I don't give a damn what he was wearing and don't what to see anyone proven right or wrong about what he was wearing or what he used to commit this crime.

People are dead, their families grieving and others are going to be permanently disabled. That's what's important. Screw the technical arguments about the shooter.

JMHO.

[Edweird]

10. That's BS. We know everything he bought when and where.

[freshwest]

43. What's BS? Is that the liimit of your debating abilities? Here's my post, which you didn't read:

Obama and the families don't want the shooter glorified by attention.

BS? Did that mention what he bought and where?

I don't give a damn what he was wearing and don't what to see anyone proven right or wrong about what he was wearing or what he used to commit this crime.

BS? Did it look like I care about what he bought and where?

People are dead, their families grieving and others are going to be permanently disabled. That's what's important. Screw the technical arguments about the shooter.

BS? What does that have to do with what he bought and where?

You did not respond to my post, just kept repeating yourself. This is not Fox News, or right wing site where trying to talk over someone repeatedly like Nordquist saying 'Ashleigh, Ashliegh, etc.' will play well. Your post belongs in the Gungeon, you are not honoring anything that really matters.

[Edweird]

49. Well, thanks for the kick. Right now I'm looking for bullet proof vest info. We can fight later.

[NewMoonTherian]

12. Why this?

It's a perfectly reasonable discussion of the circumstances surrounding the incident.

If the media and police are reporting that he wore body armor, they should have some evidence of that. If not, it's all sensationalism. It's just as wrong to go around saying he had tear gas if he was actually using paintball smoke grenades. These details are nontrivial.

[samsingh]

30. for pro-gun people, anything that can be used in favor of gun control does not exist.

hence, the police word is not good enough. had someone shot the madman and he was wearing armor which was not pierced, the discussion would be one of the following:

- they should have learned to shoot better - e.g. aim for the little space in the face mask during a tear gas attack. Wait, we only heard there was tear gas, maybe it was a little bit of tailsmoke from someone's car, or someone was smoking a pipe.
- if only everyone in the theatre was carrying and they all shot together, there is no way the madman would survive. The innocent deaths caused by this action - well see point above
- if only everyone carried long, armor piercing bullets the madman didn't stand a chance

[Tejas]

129. Police have verified he wore a bulletproof vest????

Really?

[alcibiades_mystery]

14. ROFL

It's like a Tom Clancy novel up in here!

[NNN0LHI]

24. No shit!

[cali]

111. wouldn't that be great?

[dballance]

131. I SO agree with you. My first thought reading the orig post: "And this matters how?" /eom

[WilliamPitt]

3. The Derp is strong with this one.

This is by way of you putting forth the argument that armed moviegoers could have thwarted the attack, yes?

Go ahead, you can say it.

I'd also like to hear more about "dying a coward's death," my favorite comment of yours from another thread.

My fucking hero.

[Edweird]

13. Can't handle being wrong?

[samsingh]

33. i think that applies to you

[Edweird]

56. If I'm wrong PROVE IT. I'm begging for it. Show me what vest he was wearing.

I don't believe you can. I dare ya! I double-dog dare ya!

[H2O Man]

148. look in a mirror

[Edweird]

162. oooh BURN!

[CTyankee]

5. May I ask why you or anyone else should care?

I'm just trying hard to figure out the point of your thread...silly me...

[WilliamPitt]

8. See post #99

and the Derp festival that followed. Straight line to this particular masterpiece.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=1011852

[Lex]

25. I think I'll end every OP here now with "Prove me wrong!"

Kind of in the same category as "Right Fucking Now!"

[laundry_queen]

31. I know. That made me LOL.

I'll get right on it.

[Rex]

34. Now that is sad.

"Gun grabbers!?!" Geez...what other group do I always here talking about stuff like that...

You called it Will...Derp indeed. I would say that is a 'double down derp'.

[Edweird]

32. I just had a knock-down-drag-out over it. If I'm wrong I want to know.

[CTyankee]

72. well, ok then! I guess I'll just tiptoe out the door...don't get up. Really, I can let myself out...

[Edweird]

82. If you think I look beat up, you should see the other guys.

[CTyankee]

177. No, no, I'm good, really! No worries...

[Edweird]

203. That? Oh that's just how I say "HI" :)

I'm talking about some other people.

[samsingh]

37. he's trying to argue that everyone should have been armed in the theatre and that would prevented

the massacre.

of course that's only his opinion and not fact

[Edweird]

57. Thanks for the kick.

[louis-t]

6. Stop drooling. Still illegal for anyone to carry in a theater there.

Prove me wrong.

[Edweird]

15. I just had a knock-down-drag-out over it. If I'm wrong I want to know.

[Lex]

7. Is there a reason we should really care if he was?

I mean, really. What if he was? Or wasn't?

[Edweird]

20. I just had a knock-down-drag-out over it. If I'm wrong I want to know.

[Llewlladdwr]

197. Do you care if we have accurate information or not?

If the shooter was wearing a bulletproof vest then we need to know that. If he wasn't then we need to know that as well. And we sure need to know who's stating facts and who's pulling stuff out their ass.

[Posteritatis]

223. I like it when people don't lie about current events, myself. (nt)

[Lone_Star_Dem]

9. The level of discussion over this tragedy has just hit a new GD low.

Congratulations!

[WilliamPitt]

17. Let me help

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=1013076

[Edweird]

39. If I'm wrong I'm big enough to own it - hence this post.

[DocMac]

60. When you're right, let me know. nt

[Lone_Star_Dem]

102. I stand corrected.

It's a continuation of a previous low.

Silly me. In the wake of a horrific tragedy in our society, what else should I expect from GD?

[Edweird]

23. I just had a knock-down-drag-out over it. If I'm wrong I want to know.

[redwitch]

121. You are wrongheaded.nt

[samsingh]

11. i believe he was wearing a tshirt underneath. prove me wrong.

[Swede]

16. Boxers or briefs?

[Lex]

19. Boxers. Prove me wrong!

[GObamaGO]

27. Commando, silly!

[samsingh]

47. both - one was yellow the other was green

[Edweird]

18. Probably. Those things can chafe.

[Liberal Veteran]

42. It's true and the tshirt said....

Soft kitty
Warm kitty
Little ball of fur
Happy kitty
Sleepy kitty
Purr Purr Purr

[ProfessorGAC]

22. You Want Us To Prove A Negative

Pretty conveneient and intellecutally lazy, to boot.
GAC

[Edweird]

26. No, I want you to prove that he WAS wearing a bullet proof vest. Not "someone said"

but brand, model, when and where purchased, whatever. They know EVERYTHING this guy did, but there's nothing about this other than what I posted.

[ProfessorGAC]

90. See My Reply To Your Defender

Your syntax is not shielding you. You want people to prove something that is the opposite of the limited public knowledge. You can try to "grammarize" yourself out of this all you want, but my point stands.

Since you have no internal knowledge of the case or the investigation beyond what the rest of the public knows, it's IMPOSSIBLE to prove you wrong or right. The thing you're asking to have proven is your lack of correctness.

See how easy that is? LACK of correctness. Proving a negative. Your so busy arguing you're not even paying attention to what you're actually saying.
GAC

[Edweird]

100. We know everything he bought. When and where. The news articles, like the one in my OP,

that DO source the 'bullet proof vest' claim reference an item that IS NOT a bullet proof vest. How do we know about all the guns and ammo and everything else he bought - but the vest is somehow a secret? That doesn't make any sense. So, my post is a request for someone with greater knowledge. DU is a huge community and SURELY someone can find out something that can be verified instead of 'everyone says'.

[petronius]

29. You've got it backward - he's asking for proof of the bullet-proof assertion

He states the null hypothesis of 'No BP', and requests it be falsified...

[ProfessorGAC]

88. Don't Agree

It's not the syntax. It's the connotation. But, somehow i think you know that. (Correcting a typo.)
GAC

[trumad]

35. I don't believe Edweird is a Klondike Bar as reported. Prove me wrong.

[Rex]

45. Actually Edweird is a Mr. Goodbar, as reported.

Prove me wrong!

[Edweird]

51. Mmmm Mr Goodbar!

[Shining Jack]

180. In fact, acording to Chaos Theory...

Edweird's real name is Walter Mitty, as most people have already guessed.

[GoneOffShore]

86. Actually he would appear to be a Snickers

Or that brand of coffee you can still get sometimes - Chock Full o' something or other.

[Chorophyll]

38. 71 people shot. 12 dead. And you want to argue over this.

Nice.

[Edweird]

44. I just had a knock-down-drag-out over it. If I'm wrong I want to know.

[Remmah2]

48. How many innocent men have been executed due to incorrect facts?

Due process in our justice system requires that we collect the truth and present it to the court. Some people like the idea of pursuing the truth in spite of appearances.

Some have said he had a "bullet proof" vest on and that a CCW would not have made a difference.

Circumstances have changed. 71 shot and 12 dead because they obeyed the sign on the theater door.

But who's arguing?

[samsingh]

53. well in his mind they are cowards anyway

[Edweird]

62. Good way to distort what I said. I was referring to myself, and myself alone.

[Remmah2]

40. For $306.79 the order can not be duplicated, not even close.

http://tacticalgear.com/news/colorado-shooting/

Nawwwwwwwwwww.
The media could not have screwed it up (again).

[LanternWaste]

41. My name is Indigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prove me wrong.

My name is Indigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prove me wrong.


You're just a whole plateful of "bless your little heart" today...

[Edweird]

46. So.... nothing but a kick? Thanks for the kick!

[Lex]

50. People are kicking it to laugh.

But if you are enjoying it, why not?

[Edweird]

65. Hey, I got a little rough about this and I want to know if I'm wrong.

If I am I will offer my humblest apologies to those I was arguing with. You guys hate me so I figure if the truth is that he was wearing a bullet proof vest somebody will eventually slap me down. If no one can come forward with proof then.....

[leftynyc]

73. Hate you?

What makes you think you're important enough for such a strong emotion? And spamming your own thread for the kicks? Pathetic. As for the object of this post? Who the fuck cares what he was wearing?

[Edweird]

91. Yet you yourself spam and kick.....

[cthulu2016]

52. Presumably the police have whatever he was wearing

so the matter will not come down to receipts.

It is unknowable to us at this time. It will, at some point be a matter of public record.

With available data, nobody can prove you wrong, nor can you prove yourself right.

[Edweird]

61. No, it's not 'unknowable' - we have everything he bought - except the vest.

Why not? Hell, they can say "He was wearing a brand X threat level *** vest with/without trauma plate" - but they haven't. They HAVE told us everything else he bought and where. In fact, if you read the article in the OP it CLEARLY states that he bought the 'bullet proof vest' from TacticaGear.com - only what he bought from TacticalGear.com WAS NOT bullet proof. So.... what vest? I can't find anything.

[cthulu2016]

63. Certainly it is unknowable

Maybe he bought some awesome ceramic body armor at a yard sale for cash and left the nylon vest he'd bought at home that night.

It is unknowable. (To us, at this time.)

As a supposition, he probably did not have a bulletproof vest on. Your side seems likelier to be correct.

But there is no proof on either side.

And no matter how much evidence is assembled it will all be meaningless when his get-up becomes a matter of public record.

[Edweird]

67. We know the brand and model of everything else. I don't see how this is 'unknowable'.

[cthulu2016]

71. Then you don't see it.

His ownership of X does not mean that he was wearing X at a particular time.

Knowing some things he owned does not mean that he did not own things not yet known.

It's just normal logic. It is unknowable, given the facts in evidence.

You have made an educated guess as to what he was wearing over his chest that night. It's a good guess. It seems more likely than not.

But if it was a crime to wear the particular model of vest shown in the OP in a theater I could not convict him of that, using a reasonable doubt standard, based solely on the evidence in public record at this point in time.

[bluedigger]

69. Maybe it was a Christmas present.

Prove me wrong.

[Edweird]

74. No, it's been stated clearly that he bought it. But even if it was,

we know EVERYTHING ELSE, why not that?

[DocMac]

118. Have you never lived in Colorado?

The home of the Soldier of Fortune Magazine. I lived and worked there, in Kniwot, CO. I worked with a guy who spent a lot of time in the mountains with that group. This guy used to rig people's cars with small explosives that would go off as soon as you moved your car. Maybe you don't understand how crafty these people can be.

[Edweird]

124. I don't see what you're geting at. Was he wearing a 'bullet proof' vest or not?

[DocMac]

130. I'm sayin that your op is bullshit, for one.

Secondly, anyone that has the desire to don a metal cape can do so. Or, they can get more creative.

You're not really helping this thread with all these silly replies. But, i'm guessing you won't stop.

[Edweird]

135. Without proof your assertion is worthless.

[DocMac]

146. This thread is worthless! nt

[Edweird]

150. NO U!

[DocMac]

164. However, that post was good. lol. nt

[bluedigger]

145. You don't know shit.

He wore the tactical vest over the body armor. Prove me wrong.

[Edweird]

152. Meh. I made my case in the OP. Now you make yours. Show me some proof.

[AnotherMcIntosh]

54. You want accurate reporting based upon actual facts? Facts slow things down.

[doc03]

58. Why does it matter anyway? n/t

[Blue_Tires]

59. What does it matter? Bulletproof gear or not, are the victims any less dead?

If you just can't sleep without getting the last word in, keep in mind prosecutors are supposed to officially file charges on Monday...Those documents will be public and whatever the hell he was wearing will be known to all...

[WilliamPitt]

64. This thread

[Edweird]

70. I can't see it but I'm sure it's as witty as it is insulting - but shouldn't you be researching

his vest?

The way to truly humiliate me is to prove me wrong. Go for it. Hit me with your best shot.

[DocMac]

66. Clint Eastwood made his own

in "A Fistfull of Dollars." If this kid could manage napalm....

[Edweird]

80. Ok, so substantiate that. You've got a theory now prove it.

[DocMac]

101. Don't you have the ability to watch the movie?

I use to make, what we called a polish cannon, back when I was 12 yrs. old. It was made of tin cans, maybe 7 of them, taped together with electrical tape. You simply pour some lighter fluid down through the tube and light it on one end to create a blast. TWELVE YEARS OLD.

Now, just what do you plan to learn from this thread?

Edit: typo.

[Edweird]

114. I'm looking for someone to come forward and show me what kind of bullet proof vest he was wearing.

Be it Blackhawk, one bought at a guns show or one he made when he was 12 out of paper mache. The only reference I can find is to a nylon load carrying vest that isn't even remotely 'bullet proof'. Nothing leads ANYWHERE else.

[petronius]

84. So did Ned Kelly and his gang:

http://www.ripefruit.com/melbourne/sights/ned_kelly.htm

[DocMac]

105. And that's as good an answer as i've seen.

Thanks for that pic. That's pretty cool.

[Alduin]

68. With all due respect, but what does it matter if he was wearing one or not?

I'm confused.

[CTyankee]

75. I'm getting ready to get a glass of Prosecco. Care to join me?

[Alduin]

78. Sure.

But I prefer a good port.

[CTyankee]

193. too heavy for me but that's good!

[Edweird]

76. I just had a huge rough fight about it and if I'm wrong I want to know.

[Alduin]

81. Does it matter if you "win" an online "fight?"

[Edweird]

85. No, but I was harsh with some people and if I'm wrong I want to apologize.

I'm big enough to admit I'm wrong.

[Alduin]

96. Touche.

One doesn't see that enough online.

[krhines]

83. if everyone

telling you "You're wrong" doesn't tell you, you're wrong. I'm not sure what else will.

[Edweird]

93. Ok, so someone in that group of 'everyone' knows what he was wearing.

What is it? Show me. I've never been a 'joiner' and I'm one of those 'think for yourself' types so 'everyone says' doesn't cut it. My OP shows where the news specifically refers to his purchase at tacticalgear.com as when and where he bought the 'bullet proof vest' but that WAS NOT a bullet proof vest. So, where did it come from? What kind was it?

[zappaman]

77. So this is a continuation of the thread where you called the victims "cowards"?

Despicable.
Still running from those words I see...

[Edweird]

89. The only thing despicable is your deliberate micharacterization.

I am referring to myself and myself only. 'I' not 'they'. 'I'

[zappaman]

97. "Better than dying a coward's death. If I fight I at least have SOME chance."

So, the people in the theatre did not fight.
That's means they died a "coward's death" according to your words.
You can back away from your words all you want, but it's pretty clear.

[Edweird]

103. *I* *I* Mischaracterize all you want. *I* don't care. *I* have to live with my actions

and *MY* failures to act. If *I* SHOULD act but do not, then *I* will know that *I* am a coward and *I* will have to live with that for the rest of *MY* life.

*I* am not judging anyone for their actions. *I* am not them.

But whatever. The truth doesn't matter to a lot of people here.

Furthermore - that theater was a 'gun free zone' - no one could legally carry in there any - that's proof alone *I* wasn't talking about them.

[WilliamPitt]

104. "The truth doesn't matter to a lot of people here."

Too rich.

[Edweird]

108. I'm wide open. I'm begging you to show me I'm wrong. Show me. Shut me down.

[CreekDog]

176. Open mind?

Is that a swinging door?

[zappaman]

107. It's okay.

I'd want to back away from those words too.
Implying that the victims of this crime were "cowards" is a pretty shitty thing to say.
*I* can see who the real "coward" is here.

[Edweird]

110. Ok then.

[mythology]

182. Wow

Utterly despicable and pathetic. And to think the poster claimed that if he was wrong he'd like to apologize.

[Edweird]

184. Eh, that's people taking stuff out of context. We all know the theater was 'gun free'.

This was about myself. No judgment on the Aurora victims.

[krhines]

79. lol

You're delusional... Prove me wrong!

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

87. You can purchase surplus body armor in cash at gun shows.

There would likely be no receipt or paper trail given such a transaction.

[Edweird]

94. Ok, but there's going to be a tag on the vest. What kind was it?

[rfranklin]

99. I looked at his vest...it was definitely body armor...prove me wrong...

ha-ha, can't do it!

[Edweird]

136. I made my case in the OP - now make yours.

[Tejas]

139. No tag, but here's the instruction manual.

[Edweird]

147. Is that Star Wars?

[Tejas]

160. Brady: it'll stop 50BMG at 20 miles.

Should never be allowed for use by CIVILIANS! NEVAR!

[Lucinda]

115. Call the police dept and ask them. n/t

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

123. What do you mean "tag"?

You mean like "price tag" or something? Or do you mean like the tag inside a shirt collar?

The vest I have has the ballistic fabric information on the balistic panels (material, ballistic rating, care, expiration date, etc...). The panel holder is what comprises the actual worn "vest" portion of the body armor and can be any number of makers. The vest itself isn't the armor... the armor goes inside the vest.

I'm not sure any news agency has reported on who mfg his "vest" and whether or not it was just a tactical vest or was actually rated for ballistic protection.

[Edweird]

134. Yeah, that's the tag.

Actually, if you read the article in my OP it does say 'bullet proof' but it points to a "Urban Assault Vest".

[Boxcar Willie]

92. You are a prime example why we need more gun regulations

After reading this thread and other threads about Aurora shooting where you participated I see one conclusion - you are very disturbed and weird person. Exactly someone who should have NO accesses to guns. A mental check would eliminate you from becoming a gun owner, but I guess it's already too late for this... I'm sure you amassed a huge arsenal of weapons by now and you just itch to use them in real life situation. I wouldn't be surprised if one day you get in trouble with the law because you'll use your weapons while in your little, twisted mind be playing a hero. I just hope nobody gets hurt.
and BTW - get help, your behavior is not normal.

[Edweird]

95. LOL.

I mean - I know I'm weird. Just look at the screen name. But the rest is gun grabber BS. Stay classy Willie!

[chowder66]

126. WTF?

So you got into some rough argument that has something to do with whether or not Holmes had a bullet proof vest or not.
Please spell it out for us.

If Holmes had a bullet proof vest then (insert argument here)
If Holmes did not have a bullet proof vest then (insert argument here)

If someone cited the media/police reports that Holmes had a bullet proof vest (then insert argument here)
If someone made up this assertion that Holmes did or did not have a bullet proof vest (then...oh hell you know what to do)

No one is understanding your point. If you heard that the media or police stated he had a bullet proof vest and you have a problem with that then that is one thing. It's fine to bring that up.... it may be incorrect and you have every right to question it. That is perfectly fine but that is not some reason to go off the rails and throw out all coping skills to emotionally berate forum members.

Just make your point if you have one.

[Edweird]

155. Do you have ANY proof that he wore a 'bullet proof' vest besides "everyone says"?

[chowder66]

171. NO. I was not there. Were you?

I asked you what your argument is... to spell it out for us and it's interesting that you come here "demanding proof" for an argument you seem to be having with yourself mainly. That's okay. You can do that but remember we are not www.psychicunderground.com.

See it's easy for me to say I don't have proof because guess what? I don't. I am not in Aurora, I am not a cop in Aurora, I am not a reporter in Aurora, I am not the killer in Aurora and information is still coming out and being updated.

Tell me what PROOF you have. All I see is a picture of a vest that was purchased. That doesn't tell the entire story now does it?
There are only a few of the items on that receipt that were found in his possession or on/in his property.

What I see is that you posted a pic of a tactical vest which is black. Holmes was wearing ALL black... by reports. I'm pretty sure if you are in a dark theater, smoke is rising and the guy was wearing a throat and groin protector, a black vest, probably over a black shirt you might just think it is bullet proof. NOW with that said, reporting at a time when events are still moving can be tricky and incorrect. I bet you know that don't you?

There are multiple reports that several items (NOT ON THAT RECEIPT) were also found in his car. There are reports that a bullet proof vest or tactical ballistic vest was found in his car. Was he wearing this vest along with the vest you posted? I do not have proof that he was, do you have proof that he wasn't? If so PROVE IT. Could the vest you posted have been mistaken for a bullet proof vest...while yes...yes I think it could have been. I'm sure we will eventually find out more.

How about just having a discussion about it. Did that occur to you or are you fixated on something here that we are all not allowed in on?

Why is this so important to you? What is your beef with whether or not the guy was wearing a vest? Do you have any issues with the leg guards, the throat guard, the helmet, the tactical gloves, the groin guard? Do you have an issue on whether he was wearing all black? How about his hair dye? Do you know which brand he used and does it matter?

If you want someone to prove this to you why don't you contact the Aurora police department and ask them to verify the claim?
Maybe write a letter to the editor of the newspaper there?

[DocMac]

156. Please don't council people with low post counts.

Your post is an eye opener.

[Marrah_G]

122. What the hell is wrong with you?

Your post didn't just cross the line, in pole-vaulted the fuck across it.

[jberryhill]

106. Oh, okay, not guilty then

...or whatever.

[steve2470]

109. I'm really getting tired of these gun threads

I think the opposing factions of DU have drawn battle lines and few are changing their minds.

[likesmountains 52]

113. and quite a few are losing them...their minds I mean!

[Edweird]

119. It would sting so much more if you could prove he was wearing a 'bullet proof' vest.

[likesmountains 52]

125. I hesitate to even reply, but I could not really care less if he was wrapped in saran or encased in

lead from head to toe. All I care about is that he killed and wounded a bunch of innocent people who just wanted to watch a movie.

[Marrah_G]

132. It's getting really nasty

[Edweird]

205. Oh but this is a 'bullet proof vest' thread. Totally different.

[steve2470]

208. uh huh nt

[hobbit709]

116. With the right bullet, nothing is really bulletproof.

[Edweird]

140. Too true. That why I refer to it as 'bullet proof'.

[Trunk Monkey]

127. Why is this relevant?

Holmes was the only person in the theater (another gun free zone) with a gun. No one was going to shoot back

[Edweird]

137. That's true. I just had a rough fight with some long time members and if I'm wrong I want to know.

I'm big enough to admit I was wrong and apologize.

[JoePhilly]

128. I don't care if he was wearing this ...

I'm not sure why you care about what he was wearing.

[Tejas]

141. accuracy in reporting vs making crap up?

[JoePhilly]

161. In the days immediately following something like this ... the media

will make MANY, MANY mistakes.

But I can't figure out why some have decided to get so upset about that reality now, in those early days.

Over the next few weeks, we will learn that various reports over state, or under state what this whack job was wearing, how effective his weapons were, how dangerous his apartment bombs were.

The people masturbating over the smaller details now are doing nothing more but masturbating.

The details of what he was wearing will become known. They details of his weapons will become known. The details of how he tried to set a trap in his apartment will become known.

We can all masturbate about those things now, or wait for more official details to emerge.

Which do you think we should do?

[Texasgal]

133. I guess this is where I insert my recipe?

Pear crisp! YUM!


2 pounds ripe Bosc pears (4 pears)
2 pounds firm Macoun apples (6 apples)
1 teaspoon grated orange zest
1 teaspoon grated lemon zest
2 tablespoons freshly squeezed orange juice
2 tablespoons freshly squeezed lemon juice
1/2 cup granulated sugar
1/4 cup all-purpose flour
1 teaspoon ground cinnamon
1/2 teaspoon ground nutmeg
For the topping:
1 1/2 cups all-purpose flour
3/4 cup granulated sugar
3/4 cup light brown sugar, lightly packed
1/2 teaspoon kosher salt
1 cup old-fashioned oatmeal
1/2 pound (2 sticks) cold unsalted butter, diced
Directions
Preheat the oven to 350 degrees F.

Peel, core, and cut the pears and apples into large chunks. Place the fruit in a large bowl and add the zests, juices, sugar, flour, cinnamon, and nutmeg. Pour into a 9 by 12 by 2-inch oval baking dish.

For the topping:

Combine the flour, sugars, salt, oatmeal, and butter in the bowl of an electric mixer fitted with the paddle attachment. Mix on low speed for 1 minute, until the mixture is in large crumbles. Sprinkle evenly over the fruit, covering the fruit completely.

Place the baking dish on a sheet pan and bake for 50 minutes to 1 hour, until the top is brown and the fruit is bubbly. Serve warm.

[Marrah_G]

142. Yummy!!!

[zappaman]

143. Damn that sounds good!

Prove me wrong!!!!

[Texasgal]

172. LOL!

[Edweird]

163. Sounds AWESOME!

[DocMac]

216. Yes, but can you prove that it is the right one? nt

[Texasgal]

220. Yes I can!

Come to my house and eat a slice dammit!

[librechik]

151. Here is what he was wearing, according to earlier DU thread--looks different than

the OP claims.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=1012919

[Tejas]

158. Not even in the same universe with 'bulletproof'.

The vest pictured in your link is not bulletproof, it's an accessory for hi-speed lo-drag ninjas.

[Hoyt]

167. Maybe Holmes thought it was bullet proof. Doesn't change anything even if he were naked.

Besides, there's always one or two folks in the gungeon that want to know what kind of gun a mass killer used. I guess they want one too. Kind of sick, but not surprising considering.

Maybe same with armor. There are some gun nuts who want the whole militia outfit, and would get a kick out of saying Holmes wore one just like this. I guess they dress up when posing in front of the mirror practicing drawing their weapons, reloading, etc., so they'll be ready to kill someone when they can claim they feared for their life.

This whole tread is bizarre.

[Tejas]

170. So, you could care less about accuracy in reporting?

How about all the threads bitching about Holmes wearing a bulletproof vest? Or the threads screaming about body armor that if you're lucky will slow down a knife. Or the morons that crammed GD full of threads claiming it useless to shoot Holmes because he was invincible head-to-toe?



here's your sign:

[Hoyt]

175. In this case, I really don't give a dang whether he was wearing armor or not. He did use guns that

should never have been manufactured or offered for sale.

I wish you guys were more inquisitive about things that really matter.

[Tejas]

183. Yeah, he had bad breath too.

"I wish you guys were more inquisitive about things that really matter."


Apparently you missed the threads started by your RW gun-grabbing friends stating that only cops and military should have guns. Search?

[Posteritatis]

226. It's ... not really possible for someone to confuse a tactical vest for body armor. (nt)

[Edweird]

159. Ooh intimidating -but not supported by the information we have.

Do you have any corroboration (besides "someone said&quot ? We have receipts for all his stuff and NONE of that is on there. See my OP for the stuff he actually bought.

[Tejas]

165. Keep in mind that common knowledge isn't always common.

You and I know that one single plate for a bulletproof vest can easily cost $200+, but others might not know that and could be easily mis-informed by other sources. Next thing you know they'll be told a bulletproof vest can be had at Academy for $300 (less with a coupon). Yes, it's aggravating to deal with the misinformation and hype but do what you can, we'll all get through it.

[missingthebigdog]

221. Why do you keep insisting "we have receipts for all his stuff?"

PROVE we have all of the receipts. Your argument is based upon the receipts that are available, the ones that come from the same source as the information that the vest was bulletproof. Does the media even assert that we have ALL of the receipts???

You are asking for proof. Prove the elements of your own argument, and we will go from there.

[Tejas]

154. SCREW FACTS, ROLL THE PRESSES!

[Shining Jack]

166. I don't believe James Holmes is Human as reported. Prove me wrong.

He's a shape-shifter and here's how he really looks like:



Prove me wrong.

[Edweird]

168. I.... can't

[retread]

169. Don't you just love all the noise from the "cold, dead hands" crowd!!

[CreekDog]

173. If it didn't already exist, this post could've caused the invention of the word

Blithering.

[Edweird]

185. Oh man. Weak sauce. Seriously. You gotta up your game.

[jp11]

174. "HEY, who said he bought it retail?"

"Prove me wrong!"

[Edweird]

187. I'm not saying he bought it retail - or that he even bought it.

I'm just looking for some kind of corroboration that he actually had it and that it's not an exaggeration or misinformation.

[chowder66]

178. Does proof of one vest prove he does not own more?

Go on...prove it.

[Edweird]

189. No but the only proof I've come along so far leads to a 'tactical vest' or whatever

not a 'bullet proof' one. It goes to that Blackhawk Urban Assault Vest which is incorrectly identified as 'bullet proof'. Obviously there is some kind of disconnect.

[chowder66]

196. That's fine. Reports usually are a bit disconnected in the first week or so...

as I said it is okay to question the validity of a statement or reported evidence. It's a good catch on your part actually.

However, keep in mind that this guy bought tons of stuff from several gun shops (...via reports) and he bought stuff online and had tons of packages delivered. It is still possible that a bullet proof vest was in his possession.
It is also possible he wore one under the tactical vest (used more for carrying gun ammo, etc). The eyewitnesses (to be expected) and even the police could have mistaken the vest as bullet proof ....considering all of the other protective gear he had on and the black outfit which would have made it harder to see the gap in the vest. Plus he could have closed the vest tighter to make the gap smaller and less noticable. He doesn't look like a big guy so there is that to consider as well.

I think the disconnect is was there another vest? Was he wearing it? and if not then the tactical protective vest was not a bullet proof vest but he was dressed in other protective gear. The assumption is a bit understandable.

It's possible he made a mistake thinking he had a bulletproof vest (he had all that other gear) but it doesn't really matter except that if he was shot at he would have been a bit surprised....possibly killed.

[Kingofalldems]

179. I agree with you Edweird,tired of all this vest talk from

the gun grabber crowd. Gimme guns!

[dionysus]

181. Ed, the FUCK does it matter what he was wearing? you're just trolling with this post.

[Tejas]

186. Hyperbole is disengenuous, but don't let that stop you

from believing whatever you want.

[Edweird]

190. No

I got into a nasty fight with some old timers in another thread about this and it went a lot farther than I wanted it to. "Everybody knows" this guy was wearing a 'bullet proof' vest but nobody knows any of the details. So I was hoping someone here had better knowledge. I'm not trolling.

[dionysus]

194. if you say so, i'll take you at your word then.

[Edweird]

204. I might be a fucking weirdo, but I am an honest fucking weirdo.

I like to deal in facts.

[DocMac]

222. "I like to deal in facts."

Let's see one!

[librechik]

188. so you say you have already decided the issue, and now you want us to prove you wrong?

with you as the sole judge?

This reminds me of other pointless exercises in overgrown egos I have been forced to take part in. Oh, and to claim you are the only one here who is capable of judging these facts? With nothing but your own assertions and some internet catalogs to back you up?

I think you need to go back to trade school. And learn how to make an argument that's logical and fair.

[Edweird]

191. Meh. If you don't have anything other than "they say" it's ok.

Nobody else does but somehow "everyone knows".

[librechik]

192. your funny moon language is incomprehensible to me.

please make sense, somehow?

Never mind. I don't need to know what you mean. It's obvious you hate those people in the audience because they were piss poor at taking down thier well-armed attacker. I don't think you can make sense.

[Edweird]

200. The Moon? How dare you.

Only losers are from the Moon. (Ignignokt and Err!) Freaks like me are from Mars!

I looked at what was presented to me and drew a very different conclusion from what "everyone" was saying here at DU. I dug deeper and found evidence that confirmed my suspicion and made what I was told was "common knowledge" less likely. Then I got into a nasty fight about it. Things went much farther than I would have liked them to. All signs point to me being right, but I want people to play Devil's advocate and present what 'everyone knows' and use SOME kind of corroboration besides "somebody said". Do you believe he was wearing a 'bullet proof' vest? If so, have you hear or seen anything that actually confirms that? (Brand, style,model number, where he got it, how he got it) I can't. I've looked and looked. I basically need to know if I need to apologize for being wrong and an asshole or for just being an asshole.

[greytdemocrat]

195. Why do you care???

Other than to annoy Pitt...

[DevonRex]

198. Why the fuck should anybody prove anything

to you? And why the fuck would anybody on the internet be in a position TO prove anything to you even if they had the slightest desire to do so?

As far as I can see nobody has the desire to look into such a lame-ass demand.

[Edweird]

206. Because I'm an unpopular asshole?

It's genetic.

Lot's of people in this thread have called me 'stupid' but none have proven it. Are you up to it? Can you take me down a notch? Humiliate me?

[trumad]

207. Snarf...

No need Pal---you've done it all by yourself.

[Edweird]

210. ooooh you really showed me didn't you! I will cry myself to sleep for a thousand nights....

LOL

Seriously - you got any info about that 'bullet proof vest'?

[trumad]

212. Really dude--- step back for a minute and read your thread.

Is this how you want to go down here? Is this your legacy?

I'm serious... what the fuck is wrong with you?

[Edweird]

217. I need to start hiding threads until they put gun threads back in the gungeon.

[DevonRex]

211. Trumad, just the guy I had in mind.

If you're bored or not too busy, this guy seems to want some attention.

[DevonRex]

209. Not that interested, sorry.

I'm sure somebody will be, though.

[Edweird]

213. Maybe.. but look at this thread ^

I think if it was going to happen it would have happened already....

[Xipe Totec]

199. Ok, so you're not wrong. Happy now?

[HockeyMom]

214. So if theatre goers were carrying they could have shot him?

Your point? EEWWW, HAWWW. All Rambo wanna bees!!!!!

[Edweird]

219. Gun free zone.

[Whisp]

224. so what do you win if he didn't have a bp vest?

really strange OPs these days....

[GreatCaesarsGhost]

225. Imagine you're a deer

[Edweird]

227. I can't see imbeded videos :( Is it 'My Cousin Vinny'?

BTW - I'm not a hunter.