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dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
Sat Jan 27, 2018, 12:30 AM Jan 2018

For those not around for Watergate, Trump crimes are mirroring exactly what it was like back then.

At first a few news stories, indicating something that made most aware people go "hmmmm"..the DNC break-in , kinda of strange, wonder why, what was THAT all about, back page of the newspaper, passing comment on the tv news.

followed a few days later by "gee, one of the burglars was ex-CIA, etc"
double Hmmmm.

Then we heard "WH denying" stories, which gradually got bigger and bigger and connected more dots.

and suddenly, dots came together and led to the WH, which led to WH denials, and then reports of trying to cover-up the burglary connections, then snowballed so that the story was staying on the front page.

and THEN....special prosecutor, followed by Nixon firing him, and BOOM! where we are now with Trump.
totally predictable behavior.

The difference was reporting was a bit slower, compared to Internet. So actions, followed by reactions, took a bit longer.
We had basically 3 tv news broadcasts, normally at 6 pm....ABC, NBC, CBS ( Cronkite, most people watched him) and newspapers usually came in am and in pm. That was it.
It did reach the "we interrupt this broadcast to bring you this important update"..that would happen during the day but networks were loath to break into evening programing..........JFK's murder was extremely rare coverage at the time.

When you think that Mueller was appointed only 9 months ago......just 4 months after the inauguration....we are moving at light speed.
It took years to get Nixon, and that included his re-election.



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For those not around for Watergate, Trump crimes are mirroring exactly what it was like back then. (Original Post) dixiegrrrrl Jan 2018 OP
I was around during Watergate. TomSlick Jan 2018 #1
I was around then too dflprincess Jan 2018 #5
Oh, yeah. TomSlick Jan 2018 #14
None of what Trump's doing is new DeminPennswoods Jan 2018 #2
Which hunt? Gabi Hayes Jan 2018 #3
Don't forget the role of the secret White House tapes, discovered when the process fierywoman Jan 2018 #4
The coverup is the same, but Trumps underlying crimes are worse YessirAtsaFact Jan 2018 #6
Right -- much worse and much more extensive. n/t pnwmom Jan 2018 #7
Democrats controlled congress. Voltaire2 Jan 2018 #8
In a way, we are fortunate that we have that history to look back on.... kentuck Jan 2018 #9
Good point.... dixiegrrrrl Jan 2018 #11
This is way way worse BumRushDaShow Jan 2018 #10
Who's deep throat? GeorgeGist Jan 2018 #12
Whoever he is, he is probably on twitter dixiegrrrrl Jan 2018 #13
Stormy Daniels. Possibly Hope Hicks n/t Orange Free State Jan 2018 #15

TomSlick

(11,098 posts)
1. I was around during Watergate.
Sat Jan 27, 2018, 12:34 AM
Jan 2018

This feels the same, only much faster. Then again Nixon was a crook. The Orange Abomination is at least a sociopath.

TomSlick

(11,098 posts)
14. Oh, yeah.
Sat Jan 27, 2018, 08:31 PM
Jan 2018

Watergate was small beer compared to what is coming. Nixon was a piker compared to the Orange Disaster.

DeminPennswoods

(15,286 posts)
2. None of what Trump's doing is new
Sat Jan 27, 2018, 12:36 AM
Jan 2018

Nixon did the same things Trump is doing now like politicizing DoJ and the FBI, tried to get the IRS to audit his "enemies", laundered campaign money, fired the special prosecutor, tried to destroy evidence (18 min gap in one of the WH tapes), saw a "witch hunt" everywhere he looked, even appealed to the "silent majority", the equivalent of today's Trump base.

fierywoman

(7,683 posts)
4. Don't forget the role of the secret White House tapes, discovered when the process
Sat Jan 27, 2018, 12:49 AM
Jan 2018

had gone along quite far.

YessirAtsaFact

(2,064 posts)
6. The coverup is the same, but Trumps underlying crimes are worse
Sat Jan 27, 2018, 01:06 AM
Jan 2018

Conspiring with a hostile power to win an election is much worse than breaking into the Watergate hotel.

Trump has a right wing media echo chamber that Nixon didn’t have, but Nixon had brains that the orange Mussolini doesn’t have.

And this investigation is moving much quicker because Trumps gang is clueless and criminal. Nixon’s gang was just criminal.

Voltaire2

(13,033 posts)
8. Democrats controlled congress.
Sat Jan 27, 2018, 01:20 AM
Jan 2018

There was also general consensus within both parties about what constituted normal political behavior and what didn’t.

When Dean spilled the beans, when “deep throat” provided the key background information to the wapo, it was the “establishment” declaring that Nixon had fouled out.

There is no consensus on political normalcy anymore. The president’s party controls congress. This might look like watergate but it isn’t likely to play out like watergate.

kentuck

(111,094 posts)
9. In a way, we are fortunate that we have that history to look back on....
Sat Jan 27, 2018, 09:30 AM
Jan 2018

Otherwise, this crisis could be a lot worse.

BumRushDaShow

(128,973 posts)
10. This is way way worse
Sat Jan 27, 2018, 09:50 AM
Jan 2018

due to the foreign intervention and other ancillary things going on (money laundering), in addition to just throwing an election - and not just focusing on the top of the ticket, but for the Senate and some state races. I expect this went a bit faster because of that other stuff, which was itself, pretty egregious. But then trying to map it and see what connections there were/are to the election, has been more difficult and pretty convoluted.

I.e., it seems one group wanted to use the "break-in" to win for domestic policy purposes and the other group wanted to win in order to gain overseas financial relief for themselves by means of changing U.S. policy in a pay-to-play scheme (with the expectation that it was a long shot but one that could bring rewards - or at least stave off financial ruin).

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
13. Whoever he is, he is probably on twitter
Sat Jan 27, 2018, 06:33 PM
Jan 2018

There are more than a few people there who are sharing info, with documents and links, about the whole mess.

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