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jodymarie aimee

(3,975 posts)
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 02:06 PM Jan 2018

I worked for the FEDS in the 90s..McCabe is using his accumulated leave to exit earlier than planned

I worked for the FEDS in the 90s....McCabe is using his accumulated leave to exit earlier than planned. I had a boss who, when he retired... had 9 years of sick leave and 11 years of vacation leave...he opted to get paid for it. This guy is using the leave to exit earlier than planned. Got it?

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I worked for the FEDS in the 90s..McCabe is using his accumulated leave to exit earlier than planned (Original Post) jodymarie aimee Jan 2018 OP
K&R uppityperson Jan 2018 #1
yep..im not worried. i would fret WAY more if it was Rosenstein stepping down! samnsara Jan 2018 #2
But he is still leaving earlier than planned Sanity Claws Jan 2018 #3
that is exactly what I just explained to you jodymarie aimee Jan 2018 #8
Does he not have the option to take that in pay? Sanity Claws Jan 2018 #10
In my agency, you lose any unused sick leave of less than a month at retirement wishstar Jan 2018 #12
if he took it as pay instead of actual vacation lapfog_1 Jan 2018 #14
You have to feel for someone who'd annabanana Jan 2018 #4
Thank you. I got it as instantly as many chose not to. Hate to say it but liberals like to panic Fred Sanders Jan 2018 #5
Thanks for some rationality. Plus, he was passed over for Director. Probably couldn't wait to get Hoyt Jan 2018 #6
CBS News reported that he was forced out of the building as of noon. Why the change? NightWatcher Jan 2018 #7
i get it -- but republicans got what they wanted, sooner rather than later -- mccabe out. unblock Jan 2018 #9
God forbid anyone believe the timing is suspect. LanternWaste Jan 2018 #11
IKR? Agschmid Jan 2018 #13
Given we just had the chef example this weekend mythology Jan 2018 #20
On its own, this probably isn't a big deal. Tommy_Carcetti Jan 2018 #15
Yep, I am beside myself with this. Whether he decided to leave today on his own doesn't really seaglass Jan 2018 #16
Is that based on confirmation or speculation? n/t FSogol Jan 2018 #17
Did he personally tell you this or are you just guessing? n/t seaglass Jan 2018 #18
I was wondering that myself. yardwork Jan 2018 #26
'Got it?' B2G Jan 2018 #19
My guess is anyone who isn't 50 years old yet wouldn't think of retiring blueinredohio Jan 2018 #21
this is your theory Skittles Jan 2018 #22
I agree - he is probably using that leave to exit earlier . . . however, as to your boss . . . DrDan Jan 2018 #23
20 years of PTO? Nt NCTraveler Jan 2018 #24
20 years? Bullshit. nt LexVegas Jan 2018 #25
I expect he IS using accrued sick leave (not annual) BumRushDaShow Jan 2018 #27

Sanity Claws

(21,846 posts)
10. Does he not have the option to take that in pay?
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 02:13 PM
Jan 2018

Unless he can't take it in pay, then he is leaving earlier than expected.
Your explanation is the mechanism that allows him to leave without forfeiting maximizing his security and losing benefits early. To my mind, it does not explain why he chooses to leave now rather than later.

wishstar

(5,268 posts)
12. In my agency, you lose any unused sick leave of less than a month at retirement
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 02:25 PM
Jan 2018

Retirees can only apply full months of accumulated sick leave towards increasing their pension. But amounts of under a month have to either be used before official retirement date or are completely lost. Employees can schedule medical procedures and exams for themselves or to help take their family members for medical procedures that qualifiy as proper use of sick days before date of retirement. He may be doing some of that plus adding in some vacation days too rather than taking all of his vacation days in pay, just to be able to get the hell out of an untenable job situation.

lapfog_1

(29,199 posts)
14. if he took it as pay instead of actual vacation
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 02:29 PM
Jan 2018

he wouldn't be able to retire at full benefits having not put in the full amount of time.

On the other hand, he IS being forced out ( in a fashion ) as he is only 49 which is young to be retiring.

The forced out is just that he refuses to serve in a government where Trump and Sessions lead his department... and Trump has made numerous disparaging comments about his professionalism and character.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
5. Thank you. I got it as instantly as many chose not to. Hate to say it but liberals like to panic
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 02:08 PM
Jan 2018

like everyone else, regardless of facts or logic or any knowledge of government pensions. "sigh"

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
6. Thanks for some rationality. Plus, he was passed over for Director. Probably couldn't wait to get
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 02:09 PM
Jan 2018

out and away from this mess. I don't think it is a harbinger of some takeover of the government by trumpsters or breakthrough in investigations, although you never know.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
11. God forbid anyone believe the timing is suspect.
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 02:15 PM
Jan 2018

God forbid anyone believe the timing is suspect, regardless of what you've got.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
20. Given we just had the chef example this weekend
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 03:12 PM
Jan 2018

Learning that leaping to conclusions doesn't help should be fresh in people's minds. Seeing some nefarious plot in everything is silly.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,173 posts)
15. On its own, this probably isn't a big deal.
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 02:35 PM
Jan 2018

On its own, it does appear that this is just McCabe using the mechanics of his retirement system for a quicker exit.

However, coupled with the rest of the day's news--that FBI Director Wray apparently has drawn a line in the sand against Trump when it comes to the Nunes memo, and rumors that Trump might use the Nunes memo as cause to fire Ron Rosenstein, which would likely be the start of a greater effort to fire Robert Mueller--it has a much higher angst inducing effect.

I have to admit I'm having that November 9, 2016 sick feeling in the pit of my stomach coming back today.

seaglass

(8,171 posts)
16. Yep, I am beside myself with this. Whether he decided to leave today on his own doesn't really
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 02:39 PM
Jan 2018

matter since he was forced out by the constant attacks and innuendo.

blueinredohio

(6,797 posts)
21. My guess is anyone who isn't 50 years old yet wouldn't think of retiring
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 03:53 PM
Jan 2018

much less leave early if he wasn't forced to do so.

DrDan

(20,411 posts)
23. I agree - he is probably using that leave to exit earlier . . . however, as to your boss . . .
Tue Jan 30, 2018, 08:08 AM
Jan 2018

a federal employee gets 4 hours of sick leave per bi-weekly pay period.

An employee therefore would accrue 13 days of sick leave per year of employment. A 30-year career would get an employee a total of 390 sick days. A 50-year employee would still only get 650 days of sick time during his career - far far from 9 years as stated.

The same argument applies to vacation time where a max of 26 days can be accrued per year.

BumRushDaShow

(128,844 posts)
27. I expect he IS using accrued sick leave (not annual)
Tue Jan 30, 2018, 08:40 AM
Jan 2018

to reach his full retirement eligibility, assuming this is a "retirement" vs "resignation". I.e., his position as an agent is age 50 w/20 years of service.

He apparently started his government career in 1996 so he has at least 21 years of government service. He reportedly interned with the FBI while in law school before finally getting a job there, so depending on how long that was, it could add a couple months onto his service time.

Since his age would have been reached in May, he might have enough months of sick leave banked to reach the milestone. I.e., the sick leave counts towards months of service (the annual leave gets reimbursed via a lump sum payment) - but again, all assuming this is a retirement vs a resignation (where he might return to service at some point in the future if he just resigns and doesn't apply for retirement).

Retirement Eligibility for Special Employee Groups
Law Enforcement Officers and Firefighters

Employees designated as federal law enforcement officers or firefighters pay an extra one-half percent salary deduction under either CSRS/CSRS Offset or FERS. They are eligible to retire earlier than other employees and receive benefits under an enhanced formula.

Generally, a law enforcement officer is an employee whose primary duties are the investigation, apprehension or detention of individuals suspected or convicted of offenses against federal criminal laws. The definitions differ somewhat between CSRS and FERS, with those under FERS being more stringent.

...

Law enforcement officers and firefighters may retire voluntarily at an earlier age with a special annuity computation if they meet the age and service requirements. To meet the age and service requirements, they must be at least age 50 at the time of retirement and have 20 years of law enforcement and/or firefighter service. Those under FERS also may retire at any age with 25 years of such service.

https://ask.fedweek.com/federal-retirement/retirement-eligibility/
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