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Mon Feb 5, 2018, 01:39 PM

Breaking news: The Supreme Court DENIED a request for a stay in PA partisan gerrymandering case

Breaking news: The Supreme Court DENIED a request for a stay in PA partisan gerrymandering case. GOP lawmakers wanted court to let them hold off on redrawing map before 2018, Court said no.

Top Republican lawmakers in Pennsylvania suffered another defeat on Monday when the U.S. Supreme Court denied their request to delay drawing a new congressional map ahead of the 2018 midterm elections.

In January, the Pennsylvania Supreme Court ruled that the state’s congressional map gave Republicans such a clear political advantage that it “clearly, plainly and palpably” violated the state’s constitution. The Pennsylvania Supreme Court gave Republican lawmakers about three weeks to redraw the map, and said the court would redraw the map itself if the lawmakers failed to agree on one with Pennsylvania Gov. Tom Wolf (D).

Hinting that there weren’t federal questions at stake, the Pennsylvania justices wrote the Pennsylvania Constitution was the “sole basis” for their decision.

Pennsylvania Republicans appealed the state court’s ruling to the U.S. Supreme Court, saying the U.S. Constitution only granted legislatures, not state courts, the power to draw congressional districts. They also said an entirely new congressional map would cause chaos in the system’s election process, set to begin at the end of February. Pennsylvania’s top election official says they can run the election in a timely manner with a new map in place.

Their request went before Justice Samuel Alito, who oversees the 3rd Circuit, which includes Pennsylvania. Alito denied the request on Monday.




https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/supreme-court-pennsylvania-gerrymandering_us_5a74bf28e4b06ee97af274d4?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009



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Reply Breaking news: The Supreme Court DENIED a request for a stay in PA partisan gerrymandering case (Original post)
kpete Feb 2018 OP
vi5 Feb 2018 #1
dsc Feb 2018 #11
vi5 Feb 2018 #18
FakeNoose Feb 2018 #38
DeminPennswoods Feb 2018 #55
FakeNoose Feb 2018 #62
DeminPennswoods Feb 2018 #63
louis-t Feb 2018 #2
Loki Liesmith Feb 2018 #27
gratuitous Feb 2018 #3
unblock Feb 2018 #4
calimary Feb 2018 #26
louis-t Feb 2018 #31
unblock Feb 2018 #32
BumRushDaShow Feb 2018 #5
atreides1 Feb 2018 #6
oasis Feb 2018 #7
meow2u3 Feb 2018 #12
oasis Feb 2018 #15
FakeNoose Feb 2018 #42
GeoWilliam750 Feb 2018 #54
lindysalsagal Feb 2018 #8
Wounded Bear Feb 2018 #9
meow2u3 Feb 2018 #10
crazycatlady Feb 2018 #13
FakeNoose Feb 2018 #43
rainin Feb 2018 #14
Loki Liesmith Feb 2018 #30
toddwv Feb 2018 #46
murielm99 Feb 2018 #16
scheming daemons Feb 2018 #19
Renew Deal Feb 2018 #17
scheming daemons Feb 2018 #21
n2doc Feb 2018 #29
malthaussen Feb 2018 #20
kpete Feb 2018 #22
MyOwnPeace Feb 2018 #39
DFW Feb 2018 #60
spanone Feb 2018 #23
Mr. Sparkle Feb 2018 #24
IllinoisBirdWatcher Feb 2018 #25
kpete Feb 2018 #28
haele Feb 2018 #36
old guy Feb 2018 #33
kpete Feb 2018 #34
Gothmog Feb 2018 #35
trueblue2007 Feb 2018 #37
Jim__ Feb 2018 #40
keepleft101 Feb 2018 #41
Javaman Feb 2018 #44
flying_wahini Feb 2018 #61
eleny Feb 2018 #45
klook Feb 2018 #47
durablend Feb 2018 #48
pnwmom Feb 2018 #49
durablend Feb 2018 #50
democrank Feb 2018 #51
Honeycombe8 Feb 2018 #52
Cha Feb 2018 #53
BlueDog22 Feb 2018 #56
OliverQ Feb 2018 #57
SunSeeker Feb 2018 #58
BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2018 #59

Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Feb 5, 2018, 01:40 PM

1. Oh shit, now they'll have to redraw them!

 

Ha! Just kidding. They're Republicans. They'll do whatever they want and nobody can stop them.

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Response to vi5 (Reply #1)

Mon Feb 5, 2018, 01:50 PM

11. Dem gov there who can veto the maps

which lets the court draw, court already has a map maker in mind.

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Response to dsc (Reply #11)

Mon Feb 5, 2018, 02:04 PM

18. Well, I sure hope so...

 

...because it really has started to seem like nothing matters and even victories are meaningless because there is nobody in charge...nobody with any control over any of the GOP's reckless, lawless actions.

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Response to vi5 (Reply #1)

Mon Feb 5, 2018, 03:32 PM

38. The GOP has no say in this

The redrawing will be done by an independent committee, and I think they report to Gov. Wolf who is a Democrat.
The lawsuit was brought by an independent group, and they already won the suit last month.

This delay was just the latest BS because the Republicans don't want to turn over the polling data that they used when they drew up the district lines in 2012. They can't delay any more because they were spanked by SCOTUS, and that's what this is about.

Time's up guys!

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Response to FakeNoose (Reply #38)

Tue Feb 6, 2018, 01:49 AM

55. This is not true

The legislature will draw a map. They might use the same process as for a normal re-districting which is a panel of 5 (2 Rs, 2 Ds (appointed by their caucuses) and 1 head of the committee), though.

The new map will have to be approved by Gov Wolf, so it can't be too partisan. Wolf has hired his own redistricting map expert.

The Supreme Court has also hired an redistricting map expert. The court has also invited the relevent parties to submit new maps for its consideration.

The bottom line is there were be at least a few new maps for the court to consider.

FTR, this ruling does not affect the upcoming special election in CD-18 next month.

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Response to DeminPennswoods (Reply #55)

Tue Feb 6, 2018, 10:37 AM

62. OK

Thanks for the clarification. I believe they've got it started already but maybe not completed yet.
Will be completed by March, as I understand it.

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Response to FakeNoose (Reply #62)

Tue Feb 6, 2018, 03:18 PM

63. FairdistrictsPA

is backing HB 722 and SB 22 to create a non-partisan commission for redistricting. The house bill is currently stalled in Metcalfe's gov't operations committee as he will not allow it come to a vote despite the bill having nearly 1/2 the state house as co-sponsors. These bills need to pass by July in order to make it onto the ballot.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Feb 5, 2018, 01:40 PM

2. Right, GOP says "Let us cheat one more time

after you told us our scheme is illegal."

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Response to louis-t (Reply #2)

Mon Feb 5, 2018, 02:21 PM

27. They have no choice

If they can’t draw a map acceptable to the governor the court itself will commission a new map.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Feb 5, 2018, 01:41 PM

3. Unexpected but welcome news

Maybe some of the Shelby County majority is re-thinking its conclusion that racism is dead in the United States?

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Feb 5, 2018, 01:43 PM

4. their next argument: "can we have until december? we're having a tough time finding a pencil."

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Response to unblock (Reply #4)

Mon Feb 5, 2018, 02:20 PM

26. LOL!

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Response to unblock (Reply #4)

Mon Feb 5, 2018, 02:24 PM

31. Or someone who knows how to read and write.

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Response to louis-t (Reply #31)

Mon Feb 5, 2018, 02:30 PM

32. yeah i think i should have gone with "crayon", too.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Feb 5, 2018, 01:43 PM

5. Woo hoo!!!



Off to the greatest!

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Feb 5, 2018, 01:44 PM

6. This should be interesting

Without a stay, the Republicans in the state legislature will either have to turn over the information requested by the court, or face contempt of court charges!

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Feb 5, 2018, 01:45 PM

7. GOP must let the people vote!

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Response to oasis (Reply #7)

Mon Feb 5, 2018, 01:51 PM

12. Believe me, the judges will likely end up redrawing the districts

The GOP will try to go as far as they can to tweak the gerrymandered districts, but I predict neither Gov. Wolf nor the PA SC will have any of it.

And the GOP won't like it one bit if the SC of PA draws the districts; the repukes can't stand fairness.

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Response to meow2u3 (Reply #12)

Mon Feb 5, 2018, 01:58 PM

15. Russians and GOP doing their best to undermine American democracy.

Wake up America!

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Response to meow2u3 (Reply #12)

Mon Feb 5, 2018, 03:41 PM

42. No that's incorrect

There's an independent non-partisan group behind this lawsuit and they're the ones who will redraw it.
They're reporting to the Governor and I believe the SC of PA will have final review in March.

The delay was caused because the GOP didn't want to give up their secret polling info that they used in 2012 to draw up the previous cngressional district boundaries. They claimed they owned the data but it's really not theirs. State funds were used to create the data and it never should have been secret in the first place.

Of course we all know the real reason - it's their secret weapon in how they were able to gerrymander themselves into winning 15 out of 18 congressional seats. The state of PA is roughly 50/50 as far as Dem/Rep voting, and yet they won 15 out of 18 congressional seats?

What the ever-loving fuck? Even SCOTUS could see what a travesty this is.


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Response to FakeNoose (Reply #42)

Mon Feb 5, 2018, 11:59 PM

54. Actually, I think it was 13 of 18 seats

And they won 53.9% of the popular vote.

Still, it is badly gerrymandered.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Feb 5, 2018, 01:45 PM

8. So much GOP winning.

45 promised we'd tire of it.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Feb 5, 2018, 01:47 PM

9. I must admit to being surprised, at least a little...

Although it is pretty obvious what happened there, given the actual representation is so badly representative of actual votes cast.

One win for the good guys.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Feb 5, 2018, 01:50 PM

10. Great news for democracy!

Bad news for GOP cheaters. They wanted to make a Federal case of the PA state Constitution.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Feb 5, 2018, 01:52 PM

13. They don't have much time

Petitioning starts next week.

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Response to crazycatlady (Reply #13)

Mon Feb 5, 2018, 03:54 PM

43. It will be completed by March

I'm sure they had already started redrawing, since the court case was won in January. This case was heard in the Pennsylvania Supreme Court which decided in favor of redrawing the districts immediately.

The reason it went to SCOTUS is because of the Republican Party's delay in turning over the secret polling data that they used to draw up the districts in 2012. They got spanked by SCOTUS and were told that they can't delay it any more. They have to turn over the data now.

I'm happy that other states will be able to cite this case as a legal precedent now that SCOTUS has a ruling on it as well as the state Supreme Court.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Feb 5, 2018, 01:56 PM

14. The courts should ask for 2 maps by a deadline.

One from the Rs and one from the Dems. If the Rs miss the deadline, they adopt the dem map. If Rs try to submit another unconstitutional map, they accept the dem map.

Otherwise, Rs will just stall. November is coming fast!

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Response to rainin (Reply #14)

Mon Feb 5, 2018, 02:22 PM

30. They cant stall

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Response to rainin (Reply #14)

Mon Feb 5, 2018, 04:11 PM

46. The PA Supreme Court already took care of that.

State legislators are being given an opportunity to redraw the map in time for the May 15 primary election, subject to the governor's approval, and file it with the court by Feb. 15.

But the decision also invites "all parties and interveners" to submit their own proposed replacement maps. If lawmakers can't make it happen on time, the justices will choose a new map based on the court record.


https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/01/22/579788104/pennsylvania-supreme-court-strikes-down-voting-map

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Feb 5, 2018, 01:58 PM

16. Show me a link.

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Response to murielm99 (Reply #16)

Mon Feb 5, 2018, 02:05 PM

19. From the AP:

 

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Feb 5, 2018, 02:02 PM

17. Why was this one permitted but not NC?

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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #17)

Mon Feb 5, 2018, 02:06 PM

21. Because PA case was argued strictly on PA State constitution,makes it outside jurisdiction of SCOTUS

 

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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #17)

Mon Feb 5, 2018, 02:21 PM

29. Probably because their state constitutions differ

In PA case, the gerrymandering clearly violated parts of PA state constitution. I am guessing that wasn't the case in NC.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Feb 5, 2018, 02:05 PM

20. Unexpected.

This could have some implications for other states. And that was Mr Justice Alito's ruling, interesting.

-- Mal

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Response to malthaussen (Reply #20)

Mon Feb 5, 2018, 02:12 PM

22. completely unexpected

and Alito?

wow, but wonderful news

kp

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Response to kpete (Reply #22)

Mon Feb 5, 2018, 03:37 PM

39. Alito!?!?

WOW! What wonderful news. This is MOST unexpected, giving us hope for greater things to come?

THE WORLD TURNED UPSIDE DOWN!

https://www.americanheritage.com/content/1781-world-turned-upside-down

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Response to kpete (Reply #22)

Tue Feb 6, 2018, 03:20 AM

60. The fact that it was Alto stunned me

He and Thomas are the two that I would have trusted to find ANY convoluted argument to let the gerrymandering of Pennsylvania continue.

I can just hear Karl Rove paraphrasing LBJ: "If I've lost Alito, I've lost the nation...."

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Feb 5, 2018, 02:12 PM

23. K&R...

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Feb 5, 2018, 02:15 PM

24. The republicans are so bent they will never be able to draw a straight down the line map.

the Pennsylvania Supreme Court is going to end up drawing it, which should be interesting.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Feb 5, 2018, 02:17 PM

25. Justice ALITO???

Bush appointee Justice Samuel Alito is one of the most conservative members of the SC. That makes this denial even more significant.

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Response to IllinoisBirdWatcher (Reply #25)

Mon Feb 5, 2018, 02:21 PM

28. I know

i know


!!!

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Response to IllinoisBirdWatcher (Reply #25)

Mon Feb 5, 2018, 02:59 PM

36. Alito is a literalist/states rights type of guy - that is...

Unless the Justice or Commerce departments are involved.

Which can occasionally work for the common good, as much as he's a selfishly elitist Federalist d**k.

This was a cut and dry statutory law situation, not one of those touchey-feely "civil rights" law situations. There's no competing interests involved that could be unduly harmed - so the GOP is going to have to go back to the fallback of voter suppression.
It would do more harm to the power of the Supreme Court if he did get involved, and he's at least smart enough to figure that out.

Haele

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Feb 5, 2018, 02:48 PM

33. There are other lawsuits around the country over this issue.

How much will this effect those rulings at lower courts if at all?

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Feb 5, 2018, 02:56 PM

34. From Joy Reid:

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Feb 5, 2018, 02:57 PM

35. From the Brennan Center

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Feb 5, 2018, 03:27 PM

37. thanks Ruth bader !!!!!

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Feb 5, 2018, 03:40 PM

40. Great news! I was afraid the Supreme Court was going to let the republicans ...

... draw the lines any way they wanted.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Feb 5, 2018, 03:41 PM

41. This is great news!

 

I live in PA. This gerrymandering needs to stop!

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Feb 5, 2018, 03:55 PM

44. hopefully the same will happen with Texas. nt

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Response to Javaman (Reply #44)

Tue Feb 6, 2018, 10:15 AM

61. I hope so, Javaman



Texas has been gerrymandered for decades and even though we proved it still nothing happens...

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Feb 5, 2018, 03:57 PM

45. What a nice way to start the week

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Feb 5, 2018, 04:12 PM

47. Excellent development! (nt)

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Feb 5, 2018, 04:33 PM

48. Wow even Alito told them to fuck off!

What's left for Scarnati and his cabal? Sit in?

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Feb 5, 2018, 04:37 PM

49. This is good for PA but I'm not so sure it's a good sign for the rest of us.

The decision was made based on the clear, plain, and palpable wording of PA's constitution.

SCOTUS could use this to draw a line in the sand -- and say that the US constitution lacks a similar clear, plain, and palpable requirement.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Feb 5, 2018, 04:38 PM

50. Watch those voting machines!

Can't see them giving up this easily. Those Russians are going to be busy reprogramming all of them.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Feb 5, 2018, 07:24 PM

51. Yes!

Some good news....

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Feb 5, 2018, 08:28 PM

52. Chalk one up for the left. The PA gov better use all the power he has...

to ensure the maps are done right.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Feb 5, 2018, 09:20 PM

53. Bet pubbies are Pissed

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Feb 6, 2018, 01:51 AM

56. Good

This is Good!

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Feb 6, 2018, 01:54 AM

57. So apparently a Republican in the State House is

 

asking to bring up Articles of Impeachment against 5 of the 7 State Supreme Court judges for striking down gerrymandering.

Holy crap Republicans are insane fascists.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Feb 6, 2018, 02:23 AM

58. Did not see that coming.

Pleasantly surprised.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Feb 6, 2018, 03:02 AM

59. Thanks, SCOTUS!

Ending gerrymandering would be great 👍🏾.

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