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TheMastersNemesis

(10,602 posts)
Tue Feb 6, 2018, 12:38 PM Feb 2018

40% Of The Country Support Russia & Putin Because They Approve Of Trump.

It is utter madness that Trump has a 40% approval rating. Logically such support must mean that you support what the Russians did and a pro Russian agenda. Trump won't apply the sanctions. And the GOP will still support the use of Russian bots interfering in our democracy because they are denying it all and are intent on doing nothing to stop what is going on.

The same 40% probably also approve of all the obstruction that the GOP is cooperating in. Attacks on the FBI and DOJ are ok too. Add to that sending Dreamers to countries they never lived in is ok too, if you approve of Trump's job.

The fact that approval is not near zero just shows how fucked up this country is. There is nothing that makes us great in any way with these numbers. That fact that Trump could be elected after what Bush and the GOP did before Obama could be elected is totally crazy. And then to reward the GOP after 8 years of destructive obstruction is so unconscionable.

These events only prove that the country has really gone mad in a very fundamental way. How we survive all of this chaos I do not know.

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Eliot Rosewater

(31,121 posts)
1. The key is they are 40% and without unconstitutional gerrymandering, unconstitutional voter ID laws
Tue Feb 6, 2018, 12:43 PM
Feb 2018

they could not have any power including the WH if we also stopped the KGB or FSB from cooperating with the GOP.

crazycatlady

(4,492 posts)
6. Presidential elections are not gerrymandered
Tue Feb 6, 2018, 02:09 PM
Feb 2018

One could argue about the electoral college but a presidential election is ultimately a statewide race. Statewide races aren't gerrymandered.

Orrex

(63,224 posts)
7. You're correct, but targeted, ward-specific voter suppression is well known
Tue Feb 6, 2018, 02:19 PM
Feb 2018

The "urban" ward gets too few voting machines, or older and unreliable machines, or too few polling places in areas that are inconveniently located and which are unable to accommodate long lines, etc.

So although "gerrymandered" is the wrong word in this context, the basic principle is the same: that Republicans will use any means at their disposal, legal and otherwise, to suppress turnout among likely Democratic voters.

crazycatlady

(4,492 posts)
9. I don't disagree
Tue Feb 6, 2018, 02:31 PM
Feb 2018

Personally I like no reason voting by mail.

I haven't been to a polling place since 2013. I just mail my form in and send my ballot back.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,121 posts)
10. Yeah no, I was referring to all elections, house elections are subject to gerrymandering
Tue Feb 6, 2018, 02:33 PM
Feb 2018

and all other elections are subject to voter suppression.

I was including all devices to all elections, by saying "including" I thought I was making the distinction.

they could not have ANY power INCLUDING the WH

Eliot Rosewater

(31,121 posts)
8. Of course state wide races are not gerrymandered.
Tue Feb 6, 2018, 02:31 PM
Feb 2018

quote

they could not have any power including the WH


It was clear I was talking about all elections.

 

chuckstevens

(1,201 posts)
2. The way to change this is if Robert Mueller can show them:
Tue Feb 6, 2018, 12:44 PM
Feb 2018

that Trump laundered money from Russia to enrich himself and his family at their expense and that he was being blackmailed by the Russian mafia.

It boggles the mind that they don't care about collusion, but showing them that this phony "carnival barker" never give a shit about them or America will make some of them drop their support.

Botany

(70,582 posts)
3. Americans are manipulated by fake news because religion has infected our politics:
Tue Feb 6, 2018, 12:46 PM
Feb 2018

Americans are manipulated by fake news because religion has infected our politics: Peabody-winning journalist


https://www.rawstory.com/2018/02/americans-manipulated-fake-news-religion-infected-politics-peabody-winning-journalist/

As the Protestant Christians became more extreme, the Republican Party was similarly becoming more extreme.

“So, one thing that has happened, and one thing that has led the Republican Party to fantasy and wishful untruth more and more into its approach to policy…are now in the Republican mainstream,” Andersen argued.

Things like a belief in a secret Muslim plot to overthrow the United States for Sharia Law, climate change being a Chinese hoax and even President Barack Obama is a secret Muslim and Donald Trump came to save America with the birther campaign, are all issues that are easy to believe if “fantasy and wishful untruths” are the norm. It makes it easier to accept conspiracy theories or fake news.

Anderson explained that he doesn’t care if people believe what they want to believe in private. However, when religious belief “bleeds over into how we manage and construct our economy and our society,” there’s a problem. It will cause lasting trouble for the country.

Greybnk48

(10,176 posts)
4. Only 26% to 27.7% of eligible voters voted for Trump.
Tue Feb 6, 2018, 12:55 PM
Feb 2018

The number varies a bit depending on where you look. So "Trump has a 40% approval rating" among what percentage of the population overall? Who are they polling?

I'm not trying to be argumentative, just curious.

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