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Investigators on the House Intelligence Committee say they have looked over thousands of emails from the transition team but cannot find Pences name. The committee has been tasked with investigating the emails as part of its examination of Russias election interference.
Pences missing mentions raise questions about how much transparency is truly being offered by the Trump team, and if his role is being covered up to protect him from fallout from the investigation.
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It seems unusual that during a transition period in which so much happened, with key figures like Flynn and the Russian ambassador and documents warning about Flynn that were received by the committee, that Pences name has disappeared.
Yet the omissions follow a pattern, where Pence has tried mightily to separate himself from this disturbing and scandal-plagued episode with the Trump team.
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If any emails showed Pences name in connection with vetting Flynn, his carefully constructed narrative where the Russia scandal does not taint him would quickly collapse. But conveniently, those emails cant be found. - ShareBlue
Convenient wouldn't be the word.
zipplewrath
(16,698 posts)Every name needs to be run down to make sure there wasn't some "ghost account" or some staffer that was receiving this stuff so as to provide Pence with "plausible deniability".
ffr
(23,393 posts)Looking at messages provided after the fact is only scratching the surface.
zipplewrath
(16,698 posts)There easily could have been instructions NOT to include him on emails, but instead to refer them to some other person or account. Like I say, I'd run down every person on the emails to see where they were going and who they were that were reading them.
Louis1895
(779 posts)One way to cover his tracks?
KatyMan
(4,340 posts)BCC only affects the recipients, not the server.
Generic Brad
(14,374 posts)E-mails to Pence were sent to one of his staff members. Highest likelihood is that he assumed the on-line identity of a staffer.
Greybnk48
(10,723 posts)They are soooooooo stupid. Evidence WILL be found.
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)Last edited Tue Feb 6, 2018, 01:58 PM - Edit history (1)
And now we know what they didn't want him to see.
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)flamingdem
(40,886 posts)I sure hope so
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)Mueller got all the transition emails from GSA. Trump's lawyer complained that there was privileged information in it that they had tried to withold from him. Would be interesting if they tried to protect Pence and failed.
Botany
(77,294 posts)Merlot
(9,696 posts)sorry no links, but trumpft didn't get his first (or second) pick for VP. the children of the corn along with manifort - were they working together? came up with pense vp pic.
magicarpet
(18,495 posts)* Manafort knew the Fascist buy-bull crusaders would worship the ground tr-dump/pence walked on and blindly vote them into the White House if pence was on the ticket.
* Putin likely has some Godless dirt on pence to keep him on board and in line.
RandomAccess
(5,210 posts)Manafort sneakily got Trump to accept Pence as VP, on that infamous day when Manafort lied to Trump about the campaign plane needing repairs, so that Trump had to stay on the ground, and meet with Pence.
Mike Pence's brother, Ed Pence is VP for Cummins, a majority owned Russian state engine company since 1987.
Cummins uses Lobbying firm PPG.
PPG is run by Charles Black
Black was a former partner w/ Manafort in Ukraine PPG worked w/ TRNC as did Flynn.
Pence ignored warnings and got Flynn hired for Trump's Adviser.
More detail of this web, and why Flynn is so important to Mueller's investigation of Manafort and Pence.

Vice President Pence Has Cause to Support Trumps Kremlin-Friendly Agenda
Posted by Bill Conroy - May 29, 2017 at 8:28 pm
Two of his biggest Indiana corporate backers have significant business interests in Russia
https://narcosphere.narconews.com/notebook/bill-conroy/2017/05/vice-president-pence-has-cause-support-trump-s-kremlin-friendly-agenda
Coincidentally, Mike Pence's brother Ed is a top executive at Cummins. Here's a deeper dive into Cummins/Russia:
Is Cummins VP Pences Motive for Ignoring (Rep Elijah)Cummings Warning Re Flynn? Cummins Literally Moves Russia, Including Military; Partners With KAMAZ Owned By Russian Gov Owned-Sanctioned Entities Rostec & Sberbank
LINK https://mobile.twitter.com/PersuasivePR/status/924786360443179009
Is Cummins VP Pences Motive for Ignoring Cummings Warning Re Flynn? Cummins Literally Moves Russia, Including Military; Partners With KAMAZ Owned By Russian Gov Owned-Sanctioned Entities Rostec & Sberbank
https://miningawareness.wordpress.com/2017/06/21/is-cummins-vp-pences-motive-for-ignoring-cummings-warning-re-flynn-cummins-literally-moves-russia-including-military-partners-with-kamaz-owned-by-russian-gov-owned-sanctioned-entities-rostec-a/
EXPOSED: VICE PRESIDENT MIKE PENCE WAS INSTALLED BY A RUSSIAN OPERATIVE AND HAS DEEP TIES TO DARK MONEY.
https://narativ.org/2017/08/31/mike-pence-dark-shadows/
While Manafort officially disappeared from the campaign in August, he kept in close contact with Mike Pence well after Election Day and through the the transition. I think he is weighing in on everything, a former official told The Daily Beast. I think he still talks to Trump every day. I mean, Pence? That was all Manafort. Pence is on the phone with Manafort regularly.
Its worth recalling Pence headed the Trump transition team and was responsible for appointing Lt-Gen Michael Flynn as the National Security Adviser despite having been warned Flynn was compromised by Turkey and Russia. Flynn would later be forced to resign for his compromising contacts with Russian ambassador Sergey Kislyak.
Special Counsel Robert Mueller is investigating Pences role in any Obstruction of Justice related to Flynn and the firing of FBI Director James Comey. Muellers investigators are also probing Manaforts financial dealings with Russia, Deripaska and donations to the Republican Party. Pence has also lawyered up with seasoned criminal attorney Richard Cullen of the law firm McGuireWoods to assist him in responding to inquiries by the special counsel.
Richard Cullen of the law firm McGuireWoods to "assist him in responding to inquiries by the special counsel, Oleg Deripaska (left) and Russian President Vladimir Putin (right). Deripaska hired Paul Manafort to assist in Putins global agenda for $10m a year between 2006 and 2009.
Pences ties to Russian oligarch Oleg Deripaska date back to before the campaign and may involve an illegal private email account Pence maintained while Indiana Governor.
Another sign Russian fingerprints were all over the Pence appointment came in the form of a ringing endorsement from Sergei Millian, president of the Russian-American Chamber of Commerce, and a long-time Deripaska associate. Millian called Pence an excellent candidate all while being under FBI investigation as a Russian spy recruiter. He works well in his post and gets by without scandals, Millian said.
Deripaska used to be one of Russias richest men but a series of bankruptcies has left him and his company Rusal beholden to Russian President Vladimir Putin. In 2016, then Indiana Governor Mike Pence led an economic mission to Israel and later picked up a lucrative deal from Rusals Israeli partner Omen to open an aluminum parts factory in Pences state of Indiana.
Its around that time that Pence had an email scandal of his own. Pences private AOL email account was compromised by a Russian hacker. Pence took six months to turn over his emails to Indiana officials, raising the specter that Russia may have kompromat on Pence and that he may have attempted to delete important emails before handing over the documents to investigators.
Pence has also been close to mercenary Erik Prince for over a decade. Prince met with Pence at the Trump transition offices in December 2016 before undertaking a secret mission to meet with Russian officials in the Seychelles In January this year.
Vice President Mike Pence is readying for the Oval Office backed by Russian operatives and secretive "dark money". Vice President Mike Pence swears in Nick Ayres as his new Chief of Staff. Ayres is linked to dark money which has powered numerous Republican campaigns including Missouri Governor Chris Greitens.
Republican dark money and Russia operatives are backing a new team in the event Trump is impeached.
With the Trump administration in trouble, Vice President Mike Pence has taken the unusual move of forming his own fundraising committee, raising millions for a political action committee and a legal defense fund for the Trump-Russia affair. Pences fund is the brainchild of Nick Ayres, who also became the Vice Presidents Chief of Staff on July 28.
There are signs the group of billionaire funders and Russian operatives who helped install Trump are preparing for his impeachment and readying Pence for the presidency with Missouri Governor Eric Greitens being groomed for vice-president.
Those dreams may be short-lived. Its becoming increasingly clear that Vice President Mike Pence is himself a person of interest in Robert Muellers investigation. Pence had extensive and daily interactions with Paul Manafort, a known Russian asset, even after Manafort left the campaign. Pences financial deals involving satellite companies of Oleg Deripaska and dark money political operations remain the subject of increased scrutiny complicated by Pences own hacked email scandal. Most troubling to investigators must be the notion that Pence himself was installed at the behest of the Kremlin.
PENCE MEETS WITH ONE OF PUTINS TOP CLERICS: STRANGE BEDFELLOWS AT BGEAS WORLD SUMMIT IN DEFENSE OF PERSECUTED CHRISTIANS
http://religiondispatches.org/pence-meets-with-one-of-putins-top-clerics-strange-bedfellows-at-bgaes-world-summit-in-defense-of-persecuted-christians/
esterday, U.S. Vice President Mike Pence made headlines for his appearance at the Billy Graham Evangelistic Associations World Summit in Defense of Persecuted Christians, where he proclaimed Christians to be among the most persecuted people in the world.
While there are parts of the world where the persecution of religious minorities, including Christians, is a real problem, the United States is not one of them. Russia, on the other hand, has enacted laws that bar Protestant groups from proselytizing on penalty of fines, and has even gone so far as to ban Jehovahs Witnesses entirely.
At first blush, then, it might seem odd that one of the Russian Orthodox Churchs leading hierarchs, Metropolitan Hilarion (Alfeyev) of Volokolamskwho was staying at the Trump International Hotelnot only participated in BGEAs summit yesterday, but also, as first reported by Time, met privately with the vice president. Curiously enough, a key talking point from their meeting was that America and Russia should work together to fight international terrorism, a hallmark of the Trump campaigns election season foreign policy rhetoric.
Metropolitan Hilarion heads the ROCs Department of External Relations, and in this capacity he has worked tirelessly in recent years to cultivate relationships with Catholic and Protestant supporters of traditional values abroad, in order to work with them to promote Christian supremacy at the expense of womens and LGBTQ rightsan example of what I call bad ecumenism. Such efforts are coordinated with the Kremlins foreign policy, which seeks to foster relationships with anti-democratic forces outside Russia. While Moscow made similar efforts during Soviet times, Russian President Vladimir Putin has rebranded post-Soviet Russia into the global standard bearer for traditional values conservatism, and in this capacity attracts primarily right-wing fellow travelers.
Mike Pences Lawyers Ties To Russia Were Just Exposed
http://occupydemocrats.com/2017/06/15/mike-pences-lawyers-ties-russia-just-exposed/
Of all the firms in and around the nations capital to choose from, Vice President Mike Pence settled on McGuireWoods, a fine Virginia institution tracing its roots back over 180 years, but with one with an interesting client list.
The Vice President has retained Richard Cullen of McGuireWoods to assist him in responding to inquiries by the special counsel, a Pence spokesman told The Washington Post. Cullen is the Chairman of McGuireWoods and a senior litigation partner, and hes got quite a resume, including stints as the Attorney General of Virginia and counsel to President Reagan during the Iran Contra Affair.
Theres just one problem, especially for someone under investigation for colluding with Russia and then participating in a cover-up to obstruct that investigation.
McGuireWoods lawyers have been active in Eurasia since the mid 1980s providing legal and consulting services to entrepreneurs, investors (both foreign and domestic), multinationals and government clients.
Eurasia, in case youre wondering, is a geopolitical shorthand for Russia and the countries and peoples on or near the traditionally accepted border separating Europe and Asia.
As for how he got to be VP: ---------------------------------------------------------------------
This twitter feed lays it out from start to finish, how Pence got to be VP and WHY.
https://mobile.twitter.com/PersuasivePR/status/924778575554924544
- @PersuasivePR
1/. THREAD: If Paul Manafort and/or Mike Flynn are indicted, what does that mean for Mike Pence?
Continued here:
https://mobile.twitter.com/PersuasivePR/status/924786360443179009
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I knew Pence was dirty but the depth of it is rather stunning.
To think of what we were up against in 2016.
We really were blindsided & never stood a chance.
Pence will not walk away from Mueller's wide net.
12. I took a look at the 1st set. Came back with this:
5 Facts About Mike Pence's Close Ties to the Koch Brothers Not Included in Jane Mayers New Yorker Article
This is a guest post by Scott Peterson from Checks and Balances Project.
If youve read Jane Mayers deep dive into the ties between the Koch Bros. and the Vice President, The Danger of President Pence, youll understand why its the high-water mark of reporting about their relationship.
Yet there are several facts that arent included in the New Yorker article. Here are five facts worth knowing in addition to her excellent work.
Fact #1: the No Climate Tax Pledge was a key tool for the Kochs to turn what had previously been a bipartisan issue into a weapon that ignores the science behind climate change and helps the bottom line of Koch Industries.
The No Climate Tax Pledge was issued by Americans for Prosperity, which is itself controlled by the Kochs and funded by them and their network of donor allies. The pledge claimed that it would draw a line in the sand to guard against unrestrained growth in government at taxpayers expense hidden under the guise of environmental correctness. Yet a climate tax that would tax fossil fuel carbon pollution has bipartisan support even by Exxon as the most efficient way to solve the problem of a rapidly heating planet.
Fact #2: David Kochs Largest Personal Campaign Contributions Go to Mike Pence
Since signing the Pledge, David Koch has demonstrated his appreciation by giving more money to Mike Pence than any other candidate. This includes $200,000 to Mr. Pence when he ran for governor of Indiana (along with his running mate for Lt. Governor Sue Ellspermann) in 2012, $100,000 to Pence individually in 2016 (before he withdrew to run for Vice President), and nearly $10,000 in political contributions from Koch Industries for his gubernatorial runs since 2011. These amounts do not include funding hidden through other sources, such as the Republican Gubernatorial Campaign Committee.
more
https://www.desmogblog.com/2017/10/20/5-facts-about-mike-pence-s-close-ties-koch-brothers-not-included-jane-mayer-s-new-yorker-article
14. Manafort got Trump to pick Pence for VP over Christie. They are all in on the treason.
magicarpet
(18,495 posts)RandomAccess
(5,210 posts)diva77
(7,880 posts)RandomAccess
(5,210 posts)DangerousRhythm
(2,916 posts)All this may be true or not but I can't help but notice the links to all of the info are sites I have never even heard of, and I've been following this shitshow from the get-go. Wordpress blogs, one person's Twitter account and such? Any more trustworthy links?
RandomAccess
(5,210 posts)babylonsister
(172,751 posts)Manafort made Pence the VP, they talked regularly during the transition
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/3/22/1646138/-Manafort-made-Pence-the-VP-they-talked-regularly-during-the-transition
Manafort had arranged for Trump to meet with his [Manaforts] first choice for the job on July 13: Indiana Governor Mike Pence. Afterwards, the plan was for Trump and Pence to then fly back to New York together and a formal announcement would be made, a campaign source said of Manaforts thinking.
What had previously been reported as a lucky break by the New York Times was actually a swift political maneuver devised by the now fired campaign manager. Set on changing Trumps mind, he concocted a story that Trumps plane had mechanical problems, forcing the soon-to-be Republican nominee to stay the night in Indianapolis for breakfast with the Pence family on Wednesday morning.
Swayed by Pences aggressive pitch, Trump agreed to ditch Christie and make Pence his VP the following day, according to a source.
Nevernose
(13,081 posts)Not only did Manafort still communicate with Pence during the transition on an almost daily basis, but Manafort was under a FISA warrant the entire time. The FBI already has every phone call, email, or text Manafort made during that time, including all his communications with Pence.
SonofDonald
(2,050 posts)I'll save for later but one thing is obvious, no matter why, pinse was chosen for a reason besides the religious connection.
Politicians with that are a dime a dozen.
BumRushDaShow
(169,541 posts)that he used when doing off the books business while Governor of Indiana. They apparently have it locked down as the state battles to keep it hidden - http://www.newsweek.com/mike-pence-private-email-account-latest-trump-administration-hypocrisy-682507
Generic Brad
(14,374 posts)Check his HotMail account instead.
BumRushDaShow
(169,541 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)What a huge red flag!
Atticus
(15,124 posts)He only sought the Veepship because Indiana was about to show him the door. He is so narrow minded he could look through a keyhole with both eyes. Are self lobotomies possible?
Delphinus
(12,519 posts)Thank you for saying it so well.
Atticus
(15,124 posts)calimary
(89,967 posts)"He is so narrow-minded he could look through a keyhole with both eyes."
REALLY like that one!
And you're right about Indiana showing him the door. He was no shoe-in for reelection as governor after he signed that "my religion trumps your rights" law. AND signed it behind closed doors with a bunch of nuns, monks, and rabbis grouped around him for the photo op, at that.
I'm still convinced that trump picked him mainly via that "central casting" mentality which I've read he applies to many of his hires. Mike Pence has got to be the whitest-looking white guy I've EVER seen.
Atticus
(15,124 posts)magicarpet
(18,495 posts)Run for governor - enact all these Fascist economic policies and Nazi religious buy-bull - bull shit.
Bankrupt the state finances - as you head down the tubes in shame and total failure with everyone despising you - run and hide under the wing of tr-dump and suckle the federal teat while trying to salvage was remains of your trashed out political career.
diva77
(7,880 posts)diva77
(7,880 posts)lying in wait until there is a crack in Dump's dictatorship
bucolic_frolic
(55,094 posts)Some Twitter sleuths asking for pics of this or that person here or there at specific time windows.
Pieces to the puzzle can be erased but not obliterated.
Hope they can do some of that here.
Ask Anthony Weiner
GoCubsGo
(34,891 posts)He's up to his eyeballs in all of it, too. They just think we are the stupid ones, and don't see what they're up to. These idiots make the perpetrators of Watergate seem like Einstein in comparison.
Nitram
(27,702 posts)forgotmylogin
(7,952 posts)But, with all due respect, take a step back and parse how crazy that statement might sound. It's exactly the R's "reasoning" that Hillary committed a crime; that there is "no evidence of it because she covered it up so well..."
Nitram
(27,702 posts)clearly he clearly broke the law requiring all emails related to government business to be kept. This is "The curious incident of the dog in the nighttime," suspicious for what is not there that should have been. Not crazy, obvious.
forgotmylogin
(7,952 posts)Usually attempting to prove a crime by the nonexistence of evidence for it is psychotic (like insisting your kids had a party while you were gone because everything is clean and nothing is broken and the neighbors know nothing - therefore they covered it up!), but you specifically mean that Pence not being on any emails during the transition (which he ostensibly was publically known to be part of) certainly does suggest his missives were going through a non-government, insecure channel.
Nitram
(27,702 posts)Vinca
(53,960 posts)If they had thrown in a few Pence references there would be no suspicion. Now it appears they're protecting the president-in-waiting.
global1
(26,507 posts)planned it this way? Trump as POTUS. Trump wreaks havoc on the country and constitution to fulfill the Repugs dreams. Trump the useful idiot steps down or is impeached. Pence - now with plausible deniability steps in and takes over the job. Was this the set-up from the start? Are they so crafty that they could initiate a plan like this and pull it off? And - who was doing this planning?
not fooled
(6,674 posts)that if they managed to install dump, he would implode. So, whether they planned from the start to have dense step in, they certainly had to be aware that it was a realistic course of events.
woodsprite
(12,582 posts)mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)If it's a 'copy that's been sent to you' that 'forensic' evidence will not necessarily be available because copies can be created to look however a creator wants them to, in terms of their metadata.
Also could be they simply refused to forward copies of any email where the word 'Pence' appears. However that would likely prove pretty detectable because you'd almost surely have to break up email 'chains' and thus you'd find illogical gaps if you scrutinized the flow ...
Like So:
1) Email From X to Y
Hey Y you guys gonna come to the picnic on Sunday?
2) Email From Y to X (not forwarded to the HSPIC)
For Sure, Us and the Pences will be there! Can't Wait!
3) Email from X to Y
Great, so that's 4 of you then, or you both bringing your Kids?
e.g. if they sent 1 & 3 to the Committee w/o 2, it's gonna be obvious. It'd be classic if they F'd up that bad. Or if a review shows that some nonsensical word appears all over the place, like 'we're meeting up with the Frankens after church Sunday in Indianapolis'.
lastlib
(28,239 posts)Look! a Squirrel! Over there! teh Gayz!
pbmus
(13,141 posts)Who picked Pence, the kochtopuss chose him a long long time ago....he destroyed Indiana and he will destroy the social safety net that oligarchs and the 1% call entitlement...
He is the oligarchs self righteous boy toy...religiously right to make decisions for all the heathens..
guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)That is all that it is, an amazing coincidence.
Will Mueller accept that answer? probably no.
Sneederbunk
(17,481 posts)pbmus
(13,141 posts)The man who is not there serves the one who is not there at all...
SunSeeker
(58,266 posts)leanforward
(1,133 posts)then there has been some thorough program scrubbing. What date did he accept the VP slot/nomination?
This smells to high heaven. His name missing from casual reference could result in some awkward sentence structure.
There is a programmer(s) out there with some information. Might even be living on easy street.
Nac Mac Feegle
(983 posts)Under another name that was actually his.
Men who moralize are hypocrites, women who demoralize are plain. - Oscar Wilde
spooky3
(38,624 posts)Lithos
(26,637 posts)Remember the transition team used a Government server and Mueller already has a full capture of these emails. So, the extent of this cleansing is fully apparent to Mueller's legal team.
L-
wishstar
(5,829 posts)Emails in Trump's circle only went as far as Hicks, Kushner and Don Jr since Trump has said for years that he does not use email so that there is no evidence that can be used against him. Pence did use email while governor of Indiana and got in trouble, so seems likely he purposely made sure he was left off transition email chains the way Trump has done.
gordianot
(15,772 posts)marlakay
(13,279 posts)with him so his name is off it. I bet Trump did that too.
marble falls
(71,897 posts)If we wait until the fall elections, we might be able to have a Pelosi Presidency until 2020.
blue-wave
(5,067 posts)How in the heck did that happen Mikey? Must be a miracle or something!
grantcart
(53,061 posts)flamingdem
(40,886 posts)GallopingGhost
(2,404 posts)involved in a treasonous cover-up? But his hair is so neatly combed!
Mike Nelson
(10,943 posts)...looks so sneaky. I think he's got a man crush and is in love with "The Donald" - I see the way he looks at him...
Wwcd
(6,288 posts)Wonder what Manafort & Bannon's telling Mueller about Pence?
pnwmom
(110,257 posts)spanone
(141,560 posts)TomSlick
(13,006 posts)Yeah, that's the word.
There's tons of info gathered on this thread!
Bookmarked and appreciated, ty!!!
lunasun
(21,646 posts)Washington, D.C. (Nov, 18, 2016)Today, Rep. Elijah E. Cummings, Ranking Member of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, sent a letter to Vice President-Elect Mike Pence requesting information about the apparent conflicts of interest of the Vice Chairman of the Presidential Transition team, retired Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn, who was reportedly offered the job of National Security Advisor.
Cummings also released a Memorandum of Understanding signed on November 8, 2016, by the former Chair of the Transition Team, Chris Christie, and White House Chief of Staff Denis McDonough, which provides that in order to obtain non-public and classified information, the Transition Team member must sign a statement that he or she has no financial interest or imputed financial interest that would be directly and predictably affected by a particular matter to which the information is pertinent.
Also quite interesting that there are no indications that Bob Mueller is interested in talking to Pence. Could it possibly be that Mueller realizes that the results of his investigation of 45 are so devastating that there is no way that 45 can stay on, and he wants to make sure that at least Pence is there to assume the Presidency ?