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ffr

(23,393 posts)
Tue Feb 6, 2018, 01:08 PM Feb 2018

Pence's name mysteriously missing from thousands of emails from transition he led

Mike Pence was in charge of the Trump presidential transition, but his name is suspiciously absent from records of it.


<snip>

Investigators on the House Intelligence Committee say they have looked over thousands of emails from the transition team but cannot find Pence’s name. The committee has been tasked with investigating the emails as part of its examination of Russia’s election interference.

Pence’s missing mentions raise questions about how much transparency is truly being offered by the Trump team, and if his role is being covered up to protect him from fallout from the investigation.
<snip>

It seems unusual that during a transition period in which so much happened, with key figures like Flynn and the Russian ambassador and documents warning about Flynn that were received by the committee, that Pence’s name has disappeared.

Yet the omissions follow a pattern, where Pence has tried mightily to separate himself from this disturbing and scandal-plagued episode with the Trump team.
<snip>

If any emails showed Pence’s name in connection with vetting Flynn, his carefully constructed narrative where the Russia scandal does not taint him would quickly collapse. But conveniently, those emails can’t be found. - ShareBlue

Convenient wouldn't be the word.
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Pence's name mysteriously missing from thousands of emails from transition he led (Original Post) ffr Feb 2018 OP
K&R... spanone Feb 2018 #1
Sounds strategic zipplewrath Feb 2018 #2
Mail Exchange server logs would still record messages to/from his account ffr Feb 2018 #4
Only if they were sent to him zipplewrath Feb 2018 #5
BCC to Pence? Louis1895 Feb 2018 #15
the server would still have a log of it KatyMan Feb 2018 #20
That means he had his own version of a Hope Hicks Generic Brad Feb 2018 #58
Cover-up, collusion! Greybnk48 Feb 2018 #3
Mueller already has all of Pence's emails marylandblue Feb 2018 #6
Beat me to it berni_mccoy Feb 2018 #11
How do we know this? flamingdem Feb 2018 #62
It was reported in December marylandblue Feb 2018 #66
My tin foil hat thought is that Pence was picked to be V.P. by Russia/Manafort Botany Feb 2018 #7
manfort did pick pense, that's what I've read Merlot Feb 2018 #8
Pence was picked for VP..... magicarpet Feb 2018 #14
Pence's Russian ties RandomAccess Feb 2018 #47
Nice info ... Thx magicarpet Feb 2018 #48
You're welcome RandomAccess Feb 2018 #50
Thank you for this. Bookmarked for reading! diva77 Feb 2018 #55
You bet RandomAccess Feb 2018 #61
Links? DangerousRhythm Feb 2018 #71
Sure -- RandomAccess Feb 2018 #72
He WAS picked by Manafort, so that's not a stretch at all. babylonsister Feb 2018 #9
The part many have forgotten Nevernose Feb 2018 #51
It looks like the above explains a lot SonofDonald Feb 2018 #78
Check his AOL account BumRushDaShow Feb 2018 #10
He's too smart to continue using an AOL account Generic Brad Feb 2018 #59
!!! BumRushDaShow Feb 2018 #65
That automatically implicates him more. lagomorph777 Feb 2018 #12
Just seeing a photo of that smarmy obsequious little eunuch triggers my gag reflex! Atticus Feb 2018 #13
Great description! Delphinus Feb 2018 #28
Thanks! nt Atticus Feb 2018 #45
Dayum, Atticus! That's the best description of that Christofascist I've ever heard! calimary Feb 2018 #43
Thanks! nt Atticus Feb 2018 #44
Pence like the Brownback success story magicarpet Feb 2018 #49
You read my mind!!! diva77 Feb 2018 #56
I would add that his obsequiousness is as phony as a $3 bill; he is springloaded with ambition, diva77 Feb 2018 #57
Forensics bucolic_frolic Feb 2018 #16
Nothing "mysterious" about it. GoCubsGo Feb 2018 #17
The fact that not a single email could be found is evidence in itself that a crime was committed. Nitram Feb 2018 #18
I understand what you're saying... forgotmylogin Feb 2018 #22
Not exactly. If not a single email can be found from Pence that dates to the transition, then Nitram Feb 2018 #36
Ah, okay, I see what you mean. forgotmylogin Feb 2018 #70
Exactly. Nitram Feb 2018 #74
Amazing. These people are too dumb to hide evidence properly. Vinca Feb 2018 #19
Do You Think That They Were So Devious That They.... global1 Feb 2018 #21
I think they knew there was a good possibility not fooled Feb 2018 #37
Should be able to use forensics to see the last date the file was edited. n/t woodsprite Feb 2018 #23
Need access to the original disc the file was created on to be able to do reliable forensics ... mr_lebowski Feb 2018 #54
Buh-buh-buh...but Hillary!! Benghazi! Oboma! lastlib Feb 2018 #24
The Koch brothers have been funding Pence for over 10 years.... pbmus Feb 2018 #25
Coincidence. guillaumeb Feb 2018 #26
The man who was not there serves the one is not all there. Sneederbunk Feb 2018 #27
Good one... pbmus Feb 2018 #31
Destruction of evidence; obstruction of justice. SunSeeker Feb 2018 #29
If his name is not in any of the emails leanforward Feb 2018 #30
There's probably another account Nac Mac Feegle Feb 2018 #32
You might want to consider editing out Wildes sexist statement. spooky3 Feb 2018 #35
These are the ones Trump turned over Lithos Feb 2018 #33
Trump did not receive any emails either since he purposely has kept a firewall for deniability wishstar Feb 2018 #34
I wonder if his able to read well enough to read emails? gordianot Feb 2018 #38
He could have had emails sent to aide working marlakay Feb 2018 #39
Forensic experts could dig those out. Which shows an effort to destroy ecidence which is impeachable marble falls Feb 2018 #40
Garsh, Sha-zam, Gall-lee blue-wave Feb 2018 #41
Mother wouldn't give him the password grantcart Feb 2018 #42
My morning lol thanks flamingdem Feb 2018 #69
Squeaky-clean Pence GallopingGhost Feb 2018 #46
He always... Mike Nelson Feb 2018 #52
Aww, bet Mueller's got all the un-redacted ones already. Wwcd Feb 2018 #53
No wonder they were upset that Mueller got his hands on them! pnwmom Feb 2018 #60
sounds impossible...he was in charge of the transition and wasn't copied on any emails? spanone Feb 2018 #63
Mysteriously missing? TomSlick Feb 2018 #64
Kick dalton99a Feb 2018 #67
Kick oasis Feb 2018 #68
K&R halobeam Feb 2018 #73
K&R ck4829 Feb 2018 #75
Elijah Cummings November 2016 lunasun Feb 2018 #76
Pence rso Feb 2018 #77

zipplewrath

(16,698 posts)
2. Sounds strategic
Tue Feb 6, 2018, 01:12 PM
Feb 2018

Every name needs to be run down to make sure there wasn't some "ghost account" or some staffer that was receiving this stuff so as to provide Pence with "plausible deniability".

ffr

(23,393 posts)
4. Mail Exchange server logs would still record messages to/from his account
Tue Feb 6, 2018, 01:14 PM
Feb 2018

Looking at messages provided after the fact is only scratching the surface.

zipplewrath

(16,698 posts)
5. Only if they were sent to him
Tue Feb 6, 2018, 01:17 PM
Feb 2018

There easily could have been instructions NOT to include him on emails, but instead to refer them to some other person or account. Like I say, I'd run down every person on the emails to see where they were going and who they were that were reading them.

KatyMan

(4,340 posts)
20. the server would still have a log of it
Tue Feb 6, 2018, 02:42 PM
Feb 2018

BCC only affects the recipients, not the server.

Generic Brad

(14,374 posts)
58. That means he had his own version of a Hope Hicks
Tue Feb 6, 2018, 08:11 PM
Feb 2018

E-mails to Pence were sent to one of his staff members. Highest likelihood is that he assumed the on-line identity of a staffer.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
6. Mueller already has all of Pence's emails
Tue Feb 6, 2018, 01:20 PM
Feb 2018

Last edited Tue Feb 6, 2018, 01:58 PM - Edit history (1)

And now we know what they didn't want him to see.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
66. It was reported in December
Wed Feb 7, 2018, 11:31 AM
Feb 2018

Mueller got all the transition emails from GSA. Trump's lawyer complained that there was privileged information in it that they had tried to withold from him. Would be interesting if they tried to protect Pence and failed.

Merlot

(9,696 posts)
8. manfort did pick pense, that's what I've read
Tue Feb 6, 2018, 01:33 PM
Feb 2018

sorry no links, but trumpft didn't get his first (or second) pick for VP. the children of the corn along with manifort - were they working together? came up with pense vp pic.

magicarpet

(18,496 posts)
14. Pence was picked for VP.....
Tue Feb 6, 2018, 02:10 PM
Feb 2018

* Manafort knew the Fascist buy-bull crusaders would worship the ground tr-dump/pence walked on and blindly vote them into the White House if pence was on the ticket.

* Putin likely has some Godless dirt on pence to keep him on board and in line.

 

RandomAccess

(5,210 posts)
47. Pence's Russian ties
Tue Feb 6, 2018, 06:18 PM
Feb 2018

Manafort sneakily got Trump to accept Pence as VP, on that infamous day when Manafort lied to Trump about the campaign plane needing repairs, so that Trump had to stay on the ground, and meet with Pence.
Mike Pence's brother, Ed Pence is VP for Cummins, a majority owned Russian state engine company since 1987.
Cummins uses Lobbying firm PPG.
PPG is run by Charles Black
Black was a former partner w/ Manafort in Ukraine PPG worked w/ TRNC as did Flynn.
Pence ignored warnings and got Flynn hired for Trump's Adviser.
More detail of this web, and why Flynn is so important to Mueller's investigation of Manafort and Pence.




Vice President Pence Has Cause to Support Trump’s Kremlin-Friendly Agenda

Posted by Bill Conroy - May 29, 2017 at 8:28 pm
Two of his biggest Indiana corporate backers have significant business interests in Russia
https://narcosphere.narconews.com/notebook/bill-conroy/2017/05/vice-president-pence-has-cause-support-trump-s-kremlin-friendly-agenda


Coincidentally, Mike Pence's brother Ed is a top executive at Cummins. Here's a deeper dive into Cummins/Russia:
Is Cummins VP Pence’s Motive for Ignoring (Rep Elijah)Cummings’ Warning Re Flynn? Cummins Literally Moves Russia, Including Military; Partners With KAMAZ Owned By Russian Gov Owned-Sanctioned Entities Rostec & Sberbank
LINK https://mobile.twitter.com/PersuasivePR/status/924786360443179009


Is Cummins VP Pence’s Motive for Ignoring Cummings’ Warning Re Flynn? Cummins Literally Moves Russia, Including Military; Partners With KAMAZ Owned By Russian Gov Owned-Sanctioned Entities Rostec & Sberbank
https://miningawareness.wordpress.com/2017/06/21/is-cummins-vp-pences-motive-for-ignoring-cummings-warning-re-flynn-cummins-literally-moves-russia-including-military-partners-with-kamaz-owned-by-russian-gov-owned-sanctioned-entities-rostec-a/


EXPOSED: VICE PRESIDENT MIKE PENCE WAS INSTALLED BY A RUSSIAN OPERATIVE AND HAS DEEP TIES TO “DARK MONEY”.
https://narativ.org/2017/08/31/mike-pence-dark-shadows/
While Manafort officially disappeared from the campaign in August, he kept in close contact with Mike Pence well after Election Day and through the the transition. “I think he is weighing in on everything,” a former official told The Daily Beast. “I think he still talks to Trump every day. I mean, Pence? That was all Manafort. Pence is on the phone with Manafort regularly.”

It’s worth recalling Pence headed the Trump transition team and was responsible for appointing Lt-Gen Michael Flynn as the National Security Adviser despite having been warned Flynn was compromised by Turkey and Russia. Flynn would later be forced to resign for his compromising contacts with Russian ambassador Sergey Kislyak.

Special Counsel Robert Mueller is investigating Pence’s role in any Obstruction of Justice related to Flynn and the firing of FBI Director James Comey. Mueller’s investigators are also probing Manafort’s financial dealings with Russia, Deripaska and donations to the Republican Party. Pence has also lawyered up with seasoned criminal attorney Richard Cullen of the law firm McGuireWoods to “assist him in responding to inquiries by the special counsel.”

Richard Cullen of the law firm McGuireWoods to "assist him in responding to inquiries by the special counsel, Oleg Deripaska (left) and Russian President Vladimir Putin (right). Deripaska hired Paul Manafort to “assist” in Putin’s global agenda for $10m a year between 2006 and 2009.

Pence’s ties to Russian oligarch Oleg Deripaska date back to before the campaign and may involve an illegal private email account Pence maintained while Indiana Governor.

Another sign Russian fingerprints were all over the Pence appointment came in the form of a ringing endorsement from Sergei Millian, president of the Russian-American Chamber of Commerce, and a long-time Deripaska associate. Millian called Pence an “excellent’ candidate” all while being under FBI investigation as a Russian spy recruiter. “He works well in his post and gets by without scandals,” Millian said.

Deripaska used to be one of Russia’s richest men but a series of bankruptcies has left him and his company Rusal beholden to Russian President Vladimir Putin. In 2016, then Indiana Governor Mike Pence led an economic mission to Israel and later picked up a lucrative deal from Rusal’s Israeli partner Omen to open an aluminum parts factory in Pence’s state of Indiana.

It’s around that time that Pence had an email scandal of his own. Pence’s private AOL email account was compromised by a Russian hacker. Pence took six months to turn over his emails to Indiana officials, raising the specter that Russia may have kompromat on Pence and that he may have attempted to delete important emails before handing over the documents to investigators.

Pence has also been close to mercenary Erik Prince for over a decade. Prince met with Pence at the Trump transition offices in December 2016 before undertaking a secret mission to meet with Russian officials in the Seychelles In January this year.

Vice President Mike Pence is readying for the Oval Office backed by Russian operatives and secretive "dark money". Vice President Mike Pence swears in Nick Ayres as his new Chief of Staff. Ayres is linked to “dark money” which has powered numerous Republican campaigns including Missouri Governor Chris Greitens.

Republican dark money and Russia operatives are backing a new team in the event Trump is impeached.

With the Trump administration in trouble, Vice President Mike Pence has taken the unusual move of forming his own fundraising committee, raising millions for a political action committee and a legal defense fund for the Trump-Russia affair. Pence’s fund is the brainchild of Nick Ayres, who also became the Vice President’s Chief of Staff on July 28.

There are signs the group of billionaire funders and Russian operatives who helped install Trump are preparing for his impeachment and readying Pence for the presidency with Missouri Governor Eric Greitens being groomed for vice-president.

Those dreams may be short-lived. It’s becoming increasingly clear that Vice President Mike Pence is himself a person of interest in Robert Mueller’s investigation. Pence had extensive and daily interactions with Paul Manafort, a known Russian asset, even after Manafort left the campaign. Pence’s financial deals involving satellite companies of Oleg Deripaska and “dark money” political operations remain the subject of increased scrutiny complicated by Pence’s own hacked email scandal. Most troubling to investigators must be the notion that Pence himself was installed at the behest of the Kremlin.


PENCE MEETS WITH ONE OF PUTIN’S TOP CLERICS: STRANGE BEDFELLOWS AT BGEA’S WORLD SUMMIT IN DEFENSE OF PERSECUTED CHRISTIANS
http://religiondispatches.org/pence-meets-with-one-of-putins-top-clerics-strange-bedfellows-at-bgaes-world-summit-in-defense-of-persecuted-christians/

esterday, U.S. Vice President Mike Pence made headlines for his appearance at the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association’s World Summit in Defense of Persecuted Christians, where he proclaimed Christians to be among the most persecuted people in the world.

While there are parts of the world where the persecution of religious minorities, including Christians, is a real problem, the United States is not one of them. Russia, on the other hand, has enacted laws that bar Protestant groups from proselytizing on penalty of fines, and has even gone so far as to ban Jehovah’s Witnesses entirely.

At first blush, then, it might seem odd that one of the Russian Orthodox Church’s leading hierarchs, Metropolitan Hilarion (Alfeyev) of Volokolamsk—who was staying at the Trump International Hotel—not only participated in BGEA’s summit yesterday, but also, as first reported by Time, met privately with the vice president. Curiously enough, a key talking point from their meeting was that America and Russia should work together to fight international terrorism, a hallmark of the Trump campaign’s election season foreign policy rhetoric.

Metropolitan Hilarion heads the ROC’s Department of External Relations, and in this capacity he has worked tirelessly in recent years to cultivate relationships with Catholic and Protestant supporters of “traditional values” abroad, in order to work with them to promote Christian supremacy at the expense of women’s and LGBTQ rights—an example of what I call “bad ecumenism.” Such efforts are coordinated with the Kremlin’s foreign policy, which seeks to foster relationships with anti-democratic forces outside Russia. While Moscow made similar efforts during Soviet times, Russian President Vladimir Putin has rebranded post-Soviet Russia into the global standard bearer for “traditional values conservatism,” and in this capacity attracts primarily right-wing fellow travelers.



Mike Pence’s Lawyer’s Ties To Russia Were Just Exposed
http://occupydemocrats.com/2017/06/15/mike-pences-lawyers-ties-russia-just-exposed/
Of all the firms in and around the nation’s capital to choose from, Vice President Mike Pence settled on McGuireWoods, a fine Virginia institution tracing its roots back over 180 years, but with one with an interesting client list.

“The Vice President has retained Richard Cullen of McGuireWoods to assist him in responding to inquiries by the special counsel,” a Pence spokesman told The Washington Post. Cullen is the Chairman of McGuireWoods and a senior litigation partner, and he’s got quite a resume, including stints as the Attorney General of Virginia and counsel to President Reagan during the Iran Contra Affair.

There’s just one problem, especially for someone under investigation for colluding with Russia and then participating in a cover-up to obstruct that investigation.

“McGuireWoods’ lawyers have been active in Eurasia since the mid 1980s — providing legal and consulting services to entrepreneurs, investors (both foreign and domestic), multinationals and government clients.”

“Eurasia,” in case you’re wondering, is a geopolitical shorthand for “Russia and the countries and peoples on or near the traditionally accepted border separating Europe and Asia.”




As for how he got to be VP: ---------------------------------------------------------------------

This twitter feed lays it out from start to finish, how Pence got to be VP and WHY.
https://mobile.twitter.com/PersuasivePR/status/924778575554924544
- @PersuasivePR
1/. THREAD: If Paul Manafort and/or Mike Flynn are indicted, what does that mean for Mike Pence?
Continued here:
https://mobile.twitter.com/PersuasivePR/status/924786360443179009
-----
I knew Pence was dirty but the depth of it is rather stunning.
To think of what we were up against in 2016.
We really were blindsided & never stood a chance.
Pence will not walk away from Mueller's wide net.
12. I took a look at the 1st set. Came back with this:
5 Facts About Mike Pence's Close Ties to the Koch Brothers Not Included in Jane Mayer’s New Yorker Article
This is a guest post by Scott Peterson from Checks and Balances Project.
If you’ve read Jane Mayer’s deep dive into the ties between the Koch Bros. and the Vice President, “The Danger of President Pence,” you’ll understand why it’s the high-water mark of reporting about their relationship.
Yet there are several facts that aren’t included in the New Yorker article. Here are five facts worth knowing in addition to her excellent work.
Fact #1: the No Climate Tax Pledge was a key tool for the Kochs to turn what had previously been a bipartisan issue into a weapon that ignores the science behind climate change and helps the bottom line of Koch Industries.
The No Climate Tax Pledge was issued by Americans for Prosperity, which is itself controlled by the Kochs and funded by them and their network of donor allies. The pledge claimed that it would “draw a line in the sand” to guard against “unrestrained growth in government at taxpayers’ expense hidden under the guise of environmental correctness.” Yet a climate tax that would tax fossil fuel carbon pollution has bipartisan support — even by Exxon — as the most efficient way to solve the problem of a rapidly heating planet.
Fact #2: David Koch’s Largest Personal Campaign Contributions Go to Mike Pence
Since signing the Pledge, David Koch has demonstrated his appreciation by giving more money to Mike Pence than any other candidate. This includes $200,000 to Mr. Pence when he ran for governor of Indiana (along with his running mate for Lt. Governor Sue Ellspermann) in 2012, $100,000 to Pence individually in 2016 (before he “withdrew” to run for Vice President), and nearly $10,000 in political contributions from Koch Industries for his gubernatorial runs since 2011. These amounts do not include funding hidden through other sources, such as the Republican Gubernatorial Campaign Committee.
more
https://www.desmogblog.com/2017/10/20/5-facts-about-mike-pence-s-close-ties-koch-brothers-not-included-jane-mayer-s-new-yorker-article
14. Manafort got Trump to pick Pence for VP over Christie. They are all in on the treason.






DangerousRhythm

(2,916 posts)
71. Links?
Wed Feb 7, 2018, 10:51 PM
Feb 2018

All this may be true or not but I can't help but notice the links to all of the info are sites I have never even heard of, and I've been following this shitshow from the get-go. Wordpress blogs, one person's Twitter account and such? Any more trustworthy links?

babylonsister

(172,751 posts)
9. He WAS picked by Manafort, so that's not a stretch at all.
Tue Feb 6, 2018, 01:35 PM
Feb 2018

Manafort made Pence the VP, they talked regularly during the transition

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/3/22/1646138/-Manafort-made-Pence-the-VP-they-talked-regularly-during-the-transition



Manafort had arranged for Trump to meet with his [Manafort’s] first choice for the job on July 13: Indiana Governor Mike Pence. Afterwards, the plan was for Trump and Pence to then fly back to New York together and a formal announcement would be made, a campaign source said of Manafort’s thinking.

What had previously been reported as a “lucky break” by the New York Times was actually a swift political maneuver devised by the now fired campaign manager. Set on changing Trump’s mind, he concocted a story that Trump’s plane had mechanical problems, forcing the soon-to-be Republican nominee to stay the night in Indianapolis for breakfast with the Pence family on Wednesday morning.

Swayed by Pence’s aggressive pitch, Trump agreed to ditch Christie and make Pence his VP the following day, according to a source.

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
51. The part many have forgotten
Tue Feb 6, 2018, 06:56 PM
Feb 2018

Not only did Manafort still communicate with Pence during the transition on an almost daily basis, but Manafort was under a FISA warrant the entire time. The FBI already has every phone call, email, or text Manafort made during that time, including all his communications with Pence.

SonofDonald

(2,050 posts)
78. It looks like the above explains a lot
Fri Feb 9, 2018, 04:47 PM
Feb 2018

I'll save for later but one thing is obvious, no matter why, pinse was chosen for a reason besides the religious connection.

Politicians with that are a dime a dozen.

BumRushDaShow

(169,561 posts)
10. Check his AOL account
Tue Feb 6, 2018, 01:41 PM
Feb 2018

that he used when doing off the books business while Governor of Indiana. They apparently have it locked down as the state battles to keep it hidden - http://www.newsweek.com/mike-pence-private-email-account-latest-trump-administration-hypocrisy-682507

Atticus

(15,124 posts)
13. Just seeing a photo of that smarmy obsequious little eunuch triggers my gag reflex!
Tue Feb 6, 2018, 02:06 PM
Feb 2018

He only sought the Veepship because Indiana was about to show him the door. He is so narrow minded he could look through a keyhole with both eyes. Are self lobotomies possible?

calimary

(89,967 posts)
43. Dayum, Atticus! That's the best description of that Christofascist I've ever heard!
Tue Feb 6, 2018, 04:27 PM
Feb 2018

"He is so narrow-minded he could look through a keyhole with both eyes."

REALLY like that one!

And you're right about Indiana showing him the door. He was no shoe-in for reelection as governor after he signed that "my religion trumps your rights" law. AND signed it behind closed doors with a bunch of nuns, monks, and rabbis grouped around him for the photo op, at that.

I'm still convinced that trump picked him mainly via that "central casting" mentality which I've read he applies to many of his hires. Mike Pence has got to be the whitest-looking white guy I've EVER seen.

magicarpet

(18,496 posts)
49. Pence like the Brownback success story
Tue Feb 6, 2018, 06:48 PM
Feb 2018

Run for governor - enact all these Fascist economic policies and Nazi religious buy-bull - bull shit.

Bankrupt the state finances - as you head down the tubes in shame and total failure with everyone despising you - run and hide under the wing of tr-dump and suckle the federal teat while trying to salvage was remains of your trashed out political career.

diva77

(7,880 posts)
57. I would add that his obsequiousness is as phony as a $3 bill; he is springloaded with ambition,
Tue Feb 6, 2018, 08:04 PM
Feb 2018

lying in wait until there is a crack in Dump's dictatorship

bucolic_frolic

(55,094 posts)
16. Forensics
Tue Feb 6, 2018, 02:19 PM
Feb 2018

Some Twitter sleuths asking for pics of this or that person here or there at specific time windows.

Pieces to the puzzle can be erased but not obliterated.

Hope they can do some of that here.

Ask Anthony Weiner

GoCubsGo

(34,894 posts)
17. Nothing "mysterious" about it.
Tue Feb 6, 2018, 02:21 PM
Feb 2018

He's up to his eyeballs in all of it, too. They just think we are the stupid ones, and don't see what they're up to. These idiots make the perpetrators of Watergate seem like Einstein in comparison.

Nitram

(27,704 posts)
18. The fact that not a single email could be found is evidence in itself that a crime was committed.
Tue Feb 6, 2018, 02:27 PM
Feb 2018

forgotmylogin

(7,952 posts)
22. I understand what you're saying...
Tue Feb 6, 2018, 02:49 PM
Feb 2018

But, with all due respect, take a step back and parse how crazy that statement might sound. It's exactly the R's "reasoning" that Hillary committed a crime; that there is "no evidence of it because she covered it up so well..."

Nitram

(27,704 posts)
36. Not exactly. If not a single email can be found from Pence that dates to the transition, then
Tue Feb 6, 2018, 03:38 PM
Feb 2018

clearly he clearly broke the law requiring all emails related to government business to be kept. This is "The curious incident of the dog in the nighttime," suspicious for what is not there that should have been. Not crazy, obvious.

forgotmylogin

(7,952 posts)
70. Ah, okay, I see what you mean.
Wed Feb 7, 2018, 09:59 PM
Feb 2018

Usually attempting to prove a crime by the nonexistence of evidence for it is psychotic (like insisting your kids had a party while you were gone because everything is clean and nothing is broken and the neighbors know nothing - therefore they covered it up!), but you specifically mean that Pence not being on any emails during the transition (which he ostensibly was publically known to be part of) certainly does suggest his missives were going through a non-government, insecure channel.

Vinca

(53,962 posts)
19. Amazing. These people are too dumb to hide evidence properly.
Tue Feb 6, 2018, 02:39 PM
Feb 2018

If they had thrown in a few Pence references there would be no suspicion. Now it appears they're protecting the president-in-waiting.

global1

(26,507 posts)
21. Do You Think That They Were So Devious That They....
Tue Feb 6, 2018, 02:46 PM
Feb 2018

planned it this way? Trump as POTUS. Trump wreaks havoc on the country and constitution to fulfill the Repugs dreams. Trump the useful idiot steps down or is impeached. Pence - now with plausible deniability steps in and takes over the job. Was this the set-up from the start? Are they so crafty that they could initiate a plan like this and pull it off? And - who was doing this planning?

not fooled

(6,675 posts)
37. I think they knew there was a good possibility
Tue Feb 6, 2018, 03:38 PM
Feb 2018

that if they managed to install dump, he would implode. So, whether they planned from the start to have dense step in, they certainly had to be aware that it was a realistic course of events.




 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
54. Need access to the original disc the file was created on to be able to do reliable forensics ...
Tue Feb 6, 2018, 07:48 PM
Feb 2018

If it's a 'copy that's been sent to you' that 'forensic' evidence will not necessarily be available because copies can be created to look however a creator wants them to, in terms of their metadata.

Also could be they simply refused to forward copies of any email where the word 'Pence' appears. However that would likely prove pretty detectable because you'd almost surely have to break up email 'chains' and thus you'd find illogical gaps if you scrutinized the flow ...

Like So:

1) Email From X to Y
Hey Y you guys gonna come to the picnic on Sunday?

2) Email From Y to X (not forwarded to the HSPIC)
For Sure, Us and the Pences will be there! Can't Wait!

3) Email from X to Y
Great, so that's 4 of you then, or you both bringing your Kids?

e.g. if they sent 1 & 3 to the Committee w/o 2, it's gonna be obvious. It'd be classic if they F'd up that bad. Or if a review shows that some nonsensical word appears all over the place, like 'we're meeting up with the Frankens after church Sunday in Indianapolis'.

pbmus

(13,141 posts)
25. The Koch brothers have been funding Pence for over 10 years....
Tue Feb 6, 2018, 03:19 PM
Feb 2018

Who picked Pence, the kochtopuss chose him a long long time ago....he destroyed Indiana and he will destroy the social safety net that oligarchs and the 1% call entitlement...

He is the oligarchs self righteous boy toy...religiously right to make decisions for all the heathens..

guillaumeb

(42,649 posts)
26. Coincidence.
Tue Feb 6, 2018, 03:21 PM
Feb 2018

That is all that it is, an amazing coincidence.

Will Mueller accept that answer? probably no.

leanforward

(1,133 posts)
30. If his name is not in any of the emails
Tue Feb 6, 2018, 03:27 PM
Feb 2018

then there has been some thorough program scrubbing. What date did he accept the VP slot/nomination?

This smells to high heaven. His name missing from casual reference could result in some awkward sentence structure.

There is a programmer(s) out there with some information. Might even be living on easy street.

Nac Mac Feegle

(983 posts)
32. There's probably another account
Tue Feb 6, 2018, 03:29 PM
Feb 2018

Under another name that was actually his.


Men who moralize are hypocrites, women who demoralize are plain. - Oscar Wilde

Lithos

(26,637 posts)
33. These are the ones Trump turned over
Tue Feb 6, 2018, 03:33 PM
Feb 2018

Remember the transition team used a Government server and Mueller already has a full capture of these emails. So, the extent of this cleansing is fully apparent to Mueller's legal team.

L-

wishstar

(5,829 posts)
34. Trump did not receive any emails either since he purposely has kept a firewall for deniability
Tue Feb 6, 2018, 03:34 PM
Feb 2018

Emails in Trump's circle only went as far as Hicks, Kushner and Don Jr since Trump has said for years that he does not use email so that there is no evidence that can be used against him. Pence did use email while governor of Indiana and got in trouble, so seems likely he purposely made sure he was left off transition email chains the way Trump has done.

marlakay

(13,280 posts)
39. He could have had emails sent to aide working
Tue Feb 6, 2018, 03:44 PM
Feb 2018

with him so his name is off it. I bet Trump did that too.

marble falls

(71,899 posts)
40. Forensic experts could dig those out. Which shows an effort to destroy ecidence which is impeachable
Tue Feb 6, 2018, 03:52 PM
Feb 2018

If we wait until the fall elections, we might be able to have a Pelosi Presidency until 2020.

blue-wave

(5,069 posts)
41. Garsh, Sha-zam, Gall-lee
Tue Feb 6, 2018, 04:00 PM
Feb 2018

How in the heck did that happen Mikey? Must be a miracle or something!


Mike Nelson

(10,943 posts)
52. He always...
Tue Feb 6, 2018, 06:59 PM
Feb 2018

...looks so sneaky. I think he's got a man crush and is in love with "The Donald" - I see the way he looks at him...

 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
53. Aww, bet Mueller's got all the un-redacted ones already.
Tue Feb 6, 2018, 07:26 PM
Feb 2018

Wonder what Manafort & Bannon's telling Mueller about Pence?


spanone

(141,566 posts)
63. sounds impossible...he was in charge of the transition and wasn't copied on any emails?
Tue Feb 6, 2018, 09:17 PM
Feb 2018

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
76. Elijah Cummings November 2016
Fri Feb 9, 2018, 04:02 PM
Feb 2018

Washington, D.C. (Nov, 18, 2016)—Today, Rep. Elijah E. Cummings, Ranking Member of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, sent a letter to Vice President-Elect Mike Pence requesting information about the apparent conflicts of interest of the Vice Chairman of the Presidential Transition team, retired Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn, who was reportedly offered the job of National Security Advisor.

Cummings also released a Memorandum of Understanding signed on November 8, 2016, by the former Chair of the Transition Team, Chris Christie, and White House Chief of Staff Denis McDonough, which provides that in order to obtain non-public and classified information, the Transition Team member must sign a statement that “he or she has no financial interest or imputed financial interest that would be directly and predictably affected by a particular matter to which the information is pertinent.”

rso

(2,671 posts)
77. Pence
Fri Feb 9, 2018, 04:29 PM
Feb 2018

Also quite interesting that there are no indications that Bob Mueller is interested in talking to Pence. Could it possibly be that Mueller realizes that the results of his investigation of 45 are so devastating that there is no way that 45 can stay on, and he wants to make sure that at least Pence is there to assume the Presidency ?

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