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[lunasun]

1. K & R one zillion

[OhNo-Really]

6. Thank you for kr

Do you feel their terror?

[gibraltar72]

2. I'm feeling my own terror

I can only imagine what they feel. Trump and all the people that back him have absolutely no empathy. They have a party who routinely ignores what the majority of voters want to pacify a party of 1. I can't believe how far we have fallen in such a short time.

[OhNo-Really]

5. What is your terror

My terror is living to be 100.

[gibraltar72]

11. My grandson

having to live under a string of tyrants. My country being turned in to a waller for hogs.

[OhNo-Really]

12. A reasonable terror

[Demsrule86]

9. I am so sorry...I wish there was more that Democrats could do...I have called my Senator...but

the problem is the House.

[Nevernose]

3. Im literally in a room full of Dreamers

The Latino Student club is meeting. Most of them are either citizens or here legally, but they’re all underage. They’re still making plans for the immediate and far future. Potluck next weekend, conference this summer, college and careers after that.

Trump mentions MS13. I’m sitting here and listening to a 17 year old immigrant telling us that she’s been provisionally accepted to Harvard and giving advice to other poor immigrants who want to go to fancy-pants universities. Now they’ve moved on to establishing a tutoring program for recent elementary aged immigrant kids at a nearby elementary school.

This is absolutely the BEST America has to offer. There is nothing more that could be expected from teenagers anywhere. Hearing Trump and the GOP speak about them like they do, such ignorance. Painful, hurtful ignorance. I think when they leave I’m going to cry a little bit.

[OhNo-Really]

4. Thank you so much

So happy your group is facing deportation, but we have to wonder if a part of them isn't worried about someone they know and care for.

There are millions at risk today.

Thw tutoring program idea is amazing. Selfless service. This is the best.

[Nevernose]

10. Some of them are DEFINITELY facing deportation

And many of them have relatives that have been deported. Unofficially, anecdotally, it seems to be mostly fathers “caught” at their jobs.

There is an underlying sense of trepidation, but these kids are more resilient than most. I don’t think most people realize how difficult immigrating as a child can be. I’ve been toying with the seed of a doctoral dissertation on the subject for a couple of years now, but then I got all caught up in reading/comparing post-Colonial, post-French education systems and mentally wandered off. Weird hobbies.

The tutoring idea is great, isn’t it? Of course, I’m the one that’s going to be responsible for it. For free. LOL. That’s what I signed up for.

[Hortensis]

21. Terrific. I'm glad but not surprised that some of the kids have

the strength to face this bravely, and even as an adventure, if it happens. Some, of course, just can't for so many reasons, and it'll be traumatic for any who have to go.

Long ago now I tutored English composition and economics to mostly immigrant students from all over, and also reading in a municipal program. Many valued the reasons they were in America but, culturally, what was at home far more so. Some were parents who left their children in their home countries, in part for positive reasons but also to protect them from exposure to American culture. Tapping into this love and pride in where they came from, and various cultural differences, was a great way to jog frozen minds onto subjects to write about, often resulting in a lot of new insights from their points of view.

I've thought of that many times as I think of the atrocities and tragedies occurring across the nation. Hopefully some will discover much to be happy about until and if they are able to come back. Far more likely for those who have supportive family to join, of course.

Enjoy. Maybe a great thesis will come out of this, for sure some great experiences.

[OhNo-Really]

14. ISN'T ..... that is what I meant

[MichMary]

38. The DREAM act

doesn't apply to these students, since "Most of them are either citizens or here legally." The DREAM act only affects people brought here illegally as children.

[Nevernose]

40. Most is not all

And, as I’ve said in other threads, every single one of them — to varying degrees — has been adversely affected by US immigration policy. One underage sibling deported, another allowed to stay; one green card marriage goes through with flying colors, the next requires a DNA sample from the stepson.

And there are sometimes a LOT of kids in that room, so “most” is relative. If forty out of fifty have the correct paperwork, then ten kids still feels like a lot of Dreamers.

That first statement (re: immigration policy) actually applies to most of my immigrant students over the years — everywhere from England to Somalia to Laos to Uzbekistan — but we seem progressively harsher the darker the skin tone. Anecdotal, but I don’t think it’s much of a stretch. No one’s trying to build a wall to keep out Canadians.

[writerJT]

7. I see where you are coming from, but honestly

if you are “literally experiencing increased blood pressure and anxiety symptoms” you should address that and take care of it for your own well-being.

Sometimes listening to Trump gets me irritated to the point I can tell my BP is rising, but I would never let any politician or political issue damage my health.

Go for a walk, read a book, do something that you enjoy. Or if you can’t escape this issue for enough time to relax a little, pour your energy into working with a group that helps these people. The worst thing you could do is let this affect your health.

[OhNo-Really]

17. Age and meds

My area is highly air polluted. My BP reacts to particulates as well. Meds work.

I meditate.

[LuckyCharms]

35. Being an empath can be a curse

but it is a most excellent quality to have. Distracting from feelings do not make them go away.

[writerJT]

37. Not so much distraction as a more balanced perspective.

No sense in needlessly torturing yourself.

[Demsrule86]

8. There is little we can do. We can protest and all...and should. But the truth is the GOP intends to

deport dreamers...they are liars if they say otherwise. The Dems do not have the power to save the Dreamers...if we get even a bad deal unless it ends Medicare or Social Security...some impossible poison pill, we should take it. I doubt a deal will be offered.

[OhNo-Really]

16. It sure feels like you are right

2010 was a major Dem f up

[Demsrule86]

24. Yep...I remember begging people to vote .... and then six years of nothing...no progressive gains.

Democrats have to vote during midterms, stop seeking a presidential savior and have a little patience. We won't get everything we want.

[Kirk Lover]

20. Well the optics of the deportations....all the stories will be very very bad for GOP.

Very bad.

[Demsrule86]

22. That is what Schumer said on Rachel's show...he said he would get a vote...but we all know the house

has no intention of voting for anything...thus our only hope is the optics are so bad that the GOP backs down. I would be more in favor of shutting the government down if I thought it would work. But it won't and would only endanger our 2018 and 2020 efforts.

[Blue_Adept]

13. I am, because it's the start of the "They did X and I did nothing" thing

The things going on will play out in how it'll impact my kids down the line because they don't fit into traditional conservative views of what's normal.

The dreamers issue should have been solved years ago but Congress fucked it all up and Trump made it worse.

But now it's a sign of what other marginalized groups can expect, and there are a lot of us in those groups, from gay to handicapped, etc.

[OhNo-Really]

15. The elderly

I think that will be the next inconvenience addressed.

Thank you for your thoughts.

[Blue_Adept]

18. They're definitely under fire here. The problem is that they're attacking so many quadrants

that it's diluting the responses as everyone feels under attack.

[Kirk Lover]

19. I empathize but I know I cannot even imagine what they are really going through.

This particular act by trashbag tRUMP was disgusting. Purposely putting these people up as collateral so he can 'get everything he wants'. He needs to get his tiny fucking hands off of immigration. We want a clean DACA - and this trashfuck said he wanted one too. THAT IS IT. Clean DACA NOW!

[ooky]

23. What Trump is doing to them makes me want to vomit,

as it should any decent, caring human being.

Unfortunately Schumer is probably doing all he can at this point.

What we should do, is get to the polls and cast real votes against it in November, and help these people all we can.

[Demsrule86]

25. Yes...lets stop asking (several irritating posts lately) what the 'Democrat leaders' are doing and

send help...warm bodies to take over the House and maybe the Senate majorities. Vote people like you life depended on it because it does.

[american_ideals]

28. Speak out. Organize. Vote.

[Demsrule86]

34. That is what we have to do...also make the dreamers real ...ads about them on tv and internet.

[OhNo-Really]

32. I like idea of "Save the Dreamers" rallies where

Citizens surround dreamers so they can be wisked off to safe houses.

An underground railroady type of movement.

Until DC gets their act together.

[Demsrule86]

33. We have to do something...whisk them off to safe houses sounds good.

[RandomAccess]

26. I feel great sadness, a sense of betrayal,

and occasional anxiety attacks.

My heart is breaking for anyone unfairly, unnecessarily deported, and I wish to hell I could figure something else to do.

[american_ideals]

27. Hell NO. ANGER. Extreme ANGER at GOP for damaging American values

This is a country of immigrants. "Bring me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free".

And the GOP hates immigrants because immigrants vote Dem. If they can kick out immigrants the GOP can hold on to power - and to a majority-white America - for another ten years.


https://www.vox.com/2018/1/18/16897358/racism-donald-trump-immigration

Resist. Organize. Vote. Elect a Dem House in 2018 and fix the country.

[byronius]

29. This.

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Nazis with torches chanting outside synagogues, sinister Gestapo hunting 'Others' with MY TAXPAYER DOLLARS-- they've gone Full Monster.

And it makes us weak. It will destroy the United States if this goes on much longer. The damage is already generational.

I don't believe in God. But God Damn Them All To Hell.

[american_ideals]

30. If there is a God, Kelly is going to hell for demonizing hard working immigrants.

And for damaging American values and ideals.


Edit: and last and least: damaging our economy which depends on immigration.

[lunamagica]

31. Wonderful post. Thank you

[kydo]

39. Well yeah, my new son in-law is a Dreamer.

They got married at the court house, no family, just two witnesses. My daughter always wanted a big wedding. But with all this uncertainty, they said fuck it. My SiL was laid off when his workers permit took forever to be renewed. He applied months before the deadline. He finally got it and was re-instated at his job. But they can't live like that.

We are still going to have the wedding. Looks like Nov. I said try for the 11th. Be on 100 year anniversary of Armistice Day. We really should go back to calling it that like the rest of the world.

One good thing I suppose with the dear orange leader wanting big military parade, Nov 11, 2018, really would fit his grandiose ego. All the rethug family members not might show up for the wedding. That would ROCK! My daughter asked the other day, "Do I have to invite the trumpers?" I said yeah, they are family but it is in Nov, many want come and they have money so you will get good gifts.