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What would happen to anyone that would refuse to do the crazy things Trump demands?
Why doesn't anyone stand up to this guy?
DrDan
(20,411 posts)There is a place to stand-up, and places where not to. This is a parade. Yes - it will cost quite a bit - but it does not rise to the point of risking a career by saying you will not participate in a parade.
global1
(25,241 posts)What if they refused to give him this parade? What would be their consequences?
Also - there is a great cost associated with doing this - Does Congress have to approve such an expenditure? Where would this money come from? Whose budget would it impact?
If Trump wants such a parade - it should come from his own personal money.
Again - why don't people stand up to this guy? He's like the little kid that demands a toy from his parents when they are shopping - throwing a tantrum.
C_U_L8R
(44,997 posts)But others, like us, will find the whole idea abhorrent and unAmerican
brooklynite
(94,501 posts)As they should be.
meow2u3
(24,761 posts)DrDan
(20,411 posts)onenote
(42,693 posts)A HERETIC I AM
(24,365 posts)And the US military has no tradition of doing such things
DrDan
(20,411 posts)I am certainly not in favor of it due to it's cost and optics . . . but un-American?
Are Vet Day parades un-American?
A HERETIC I AM
(24,365 posts)And what he apparently wants is something like this;
I just don't think that is the kind of thing we do in this country. I can not recall ever seeing tanks on the street in a parade in the United States. The American Eagle has the olive branch in his right foot and the "arrows at the ready" in his left. We don't need to do this. He wants it for vanity and nothing else.
So yes, it's un-American.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)https://www.floridamemory.com/items/show/114295
http://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-emporia-kansas-usa-11th-november-2015-veterans-day-parade-in-emporia-89831845.html?pv=1&stamp=2&imageid=F9907F75-8009-435D-AAD6-97309D1FC2FC&p=255409&n=0&orientation=0&pn=1&searchtype=0&IsFromSearch=1&srch=foo%3dbar%26st%3d0%26pn%3d1%26ps%3d100%26sortby%3d2%26resultview%3dsortbyPopular%26npgs%3d0%26qt%3dtank%2520in%2520veterans%2520day%2520parade%26qt_raw%3dtank%2520in%2520veterans%2520day%2520parade%26lic%3d3%26mr%3d0%26pr%3d0%26ot%3d0%26creative%3d%26ag%3d0%26hc%3d0%26pc%3d%26blackwhite%3d%26cutout%3d%26tbar%3d1%26et%3d0x000000000000000000000%26vp%3d0%26loc%3d0%26imgt%3d0%26dtfr%3d%26dtto%3d%26size%3d0xFF%26archive%3d1%26groupid%3d%26pseudoid%3d%26a%3d%26cdid%3d%26cdsrt%3d%26name%3d%26qn%3d%26apalib%3d0%26apalic%3d%26lightbox%3d%26gname%3d%26gtype%3d%26xstx%3d0%26simid%3d%26saveQry%3d%26editorial%3d1%26nu%3d%26t%3d%26edoptin%3d%26customgeoip%3d%26cap%3d1%26cbstore%3d1%26vd%3d0%26lb%3d%26fi%3d2%26edrf%3d%26ispremium%3d1
A HERETIC I AM
(24,365 posts)And based on what I see at the link you provided, there was one tank in that parade. ONE. It was and apparently is an annual veterans parade, not a fucking military review.
If you actually think we have a tradition of military parades like the Bastille Day parade in the pics I put up above, then we are living in two different countries.
If you think this idea is a good one - acquiescing to Trump wanting to be lauded like a tin-pot dictator, then we are on opposite sides of this question, to be sure.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)illegal and no one in control of their faculties would call it un-American.
A HERETIC I AM
(24,365 posts)Look, Dr. In this country there never has been and never should be a tradition of massive military parades LIKE THIS PRESIDENT WANTS, OK? Blatant displays of military might are NOT what happens here. Other countries, sure, but not in the USA.
A giant dick wagging festival put on merely to appease the Orangutan-in-Chief is un-American. He is not a fucking dictator or a king or a despot, regardless of how much he may fantasize being one, and acquiescing to his demands for this utter bullshit is wrong.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)we have had military parades . . . . with tanks. So this is not a first-time event.
A HERETIC I AM
(24,365 posts)You win!
DrDan
(20,411 posts)A HERETIC I AM
(24,365 posts)People have alerted on me and I've had posts hidden for much less.
I'm not that thin skinned.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)CBS News correspondent Eric Engberg covered the June 8, 1991 national parade. He described the "overall mood" as "celebratory and upbeat." But he said there was "so much military hardware moving, at times it seemed as if Washington was under attack."
Eight thousand Desert Storm troops marched in the national parade, 200,000 people watched the parade, Engberg reports. According to The Washington Post, it cost $8 million.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-cbs-news-reported-the-last-national-military-parade-in-1991/
and yes . . . there were tanks in that parade - just saw a clip of it on MSNBC
A HERETIC I AM
(24,365 posts)Yeah. That makes a tradition.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)TeamPooka
(24,221 posts)onenote
(42,693 posts)Do I think Trump's parade idea is a good one? No.
Have there been a number of military parades in DC over the years, including parades with tanks? Yes.
Do I think the presidents who presided over those parades were un-American? No.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/07/us/american-military-parades/index.html
A HERETIC I AM
(24,365 posts)And I'm man enough to say it.
You and DrDan are correct that there have been military parades with heavy equipment in the US in the past.
However, I did repeatedly say we had no "tradition" of doing this sort of thing, and by that, just to be clear, I was referring to the annual Bastille Day style showing in France or even the parades in Red Square or Pyongyang we have all seen footage of.
It just seems to me that THIS president, a man who never served in the military, wants to have such a parade MERELY OUT OF HIS OWN SENSE OF VANITY AND SELF IMPORTANCE. There is no war victory to celebrate (It isn't late 1945 or 1991), nor was he a bona fide hero (JFK) or a former major commander of an allied armed forces (Eisenhower).
This whole idea, as it is coming from Trump himself, is nothing more than a way for him to feel like a big shot and amounts to a giant dick wagging on his part.
I find THAT idea appalling, disgusting and yes, frankly un-American.
But you're right, there is a certain amount of historical precedent, regardless of how distant.
Ferrets are Cool
(21,106 posts)for NFL players, but now its treasonous not to do so. This is THE new Murica.
somewhat
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)On what objective measure do you predicate that military parades are American?
DrDan
(20,411 posts)Eliot Rosewater
(31,109 posts)Orders are orders, personnel will do what they are ordered to do, but the parade could not be more un-American given the circumstances.
Angleae
(4,482 posts)And they have no idea where the money is going to come from.
spanone
(135,819 posts)Eliot Rosewater
(31,109 posts)This is the fucking REASON there should be NO generals or admirals in the administration, for one
and if you leave it up to most higher ups in any military, they are gonna do stuff we will NOT like...always!
You could argue that is their job, do shit we dont want to do but you
NEVER give them this level of power.
mythology
(9,527 posts)Absolutism is generally pretty silly. You do realize that pretty much every administration includes military members right?
Leon Panetta, Robert Gates, John Kerry, Chuck Hagel in the Obama administration for example.
HopeAgain
(4,407 posts)The civilian leadership is needed to stand up to the President and tell him that it is a stupid fucking idea. Military are trained not to think, and judging from Kelly, some never could think.
MichMary
(1,714 posts)Ever hear, "Which hill do you want to die on?" Basically, this is not a big enough deal to disobey orders. Save that for when he decides to nuke North Korea, or Norway.
As for consequences, yes, there are consequences for disobeying a legal order by the Commander in Chief. Possibly loss in rank. Maybe worse.
hexola
(4,835 posts)Feel free to use that one!
UTUSN
(70,681 posts)Capperdan
(492 posts)I hope the counter parades are getting organized.
tanyev
(42,550 posts)I just hope someone gets a video.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)Same old thing:
matt819
(10,749 posts)Frankly, I cant see the military pulling this off. Were talking thousands of troops and hundreds of pieces of military equipment, all pulled away from existing duties. If hes thinking about holding this clusterfuck on city streets, I cant see that happening.The roadways cant handle it.
Also, and quite rightly, we do not have a tradition of this kind of display. Other countries do, including some democracies. And thats fine. But since we dont, the odds are good ours would look silly compared to those in other countries, adding to the growing buffoonification of America.
The cost of this idiocy would likely run into the scores of millions. Lets hope cooler heads prevail.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)We do not have a tradition of doing this - correct. And for good reason. But not because the military can't pull it off. The optics are not what we wanted to portray in the past. Things have changed.