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Raven

(13,872 posts)
Sat Feb 10, 2018, 09:13 AM Feb 2018

Something to remember about these ex-wives...

I don't know about Sorensen's ex, but the other wives were approached by the FBI in connection with a background check. They didn't leak their stories or go to the tabloids, they responded truthfully to questions posed to them by the FBI. Keep this in mind when Trump and Company start calling this a witch hunt. FWIW.

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Something to remember about these ex-wives... (Original Post) Raven Feb 2018 OP
The very term Witch Hunt... Zoonart Feb 2018 #1
If this subject interests you, Squinch Feb 2018 #3
Thanks! Zoonart Feb 2018 #5
And thank you! I haven't seen that one. Ordering it now. Squinch Feb 2018 #6
Thank you! eleny Feb 2018 #15
Yeah, and IIRC... Wounded Bear Feb 2018 #12
Someone - i forgot who - did a study that showed that Squinch Feb 2018 #13
Thank you, Squinch! eleny Feb 2018 #16
That's interesting. I also think it had to do WhiteTara Feb 2018 #17
Well, let's be clear RandomAccess Feb 2018 #19
I've seen speculation that "Daddy Needs a New Chief of Staff" Ivanka tanyev Feb 2018 #2
Will she be like Cheney mascarax Feb 2018 #10
Re: Sorensen - his wife reported it to the FBI last year per WAPO news article lunasun Feb 2018 #4
Yes PatSeg Feb 2018 #7
Good point mcar Feb 2018 #8
Yeah, but you know the FBI lies AllyCat Feb 2018 #9
The whole thing will be blamed on the FBI. Ligyron Feb 2018 #14
Agree this is a great point, Raven mascarax Feb 2018 #11
Good point. Of course, they have now chosen to go public. Honeycombe8 Feb 2018 #18
Excellent point, Raven.. Cha Feb 2018 #20
a heart for you my sweet Skittles Feb 2018 #21

Zoonart

(11,747 posts)
1. The very term Witch Hunt...
Sat Feb 10, 2018, 09:30 AM
Feb 2018

is misogynistic. The European witch hunts of the Middle Ages is considered a Gendercide as almost all of those accused and barbecued (among other very nasty deaths), were women. Women who were inconvenient or wouldn't keep their mouths shut, who insisted in being educated. Many were mid-wives who were perceived as a threat to the burgeoning professional medical establishment of men, also they kept birth records that were central to taxation of the peasantry.
Inconvenient women. So when these powerful men accuse women of taking part in a "With HUnt" directed at them... know the history.

Squinch

(50,773 posts)
3. If this subject interests you,
Sat Feb 10, 2018, 10:13 AM
Feb 2018

there is a truly great and under-read book called Calaban and the Witch by Maria Federici that looks at its roots.

Her thesis is that the witch trials in Europe coincided with the fencing of the commons. It was a way to divide and confuse the underclass that was rising up against the loss of the commons, setting the male among them against the female.

Zoonart

(11,747 posts)
5. Thanks!
Sat Feb 10, 2018, 10:30 AM
Feb 2018

I have read several books on the subject. I can also recommend "Witchcraze", by Anne Barstow.
I have been doing research for a couple of years for a book I am making notes on. I have another project to finish first.
Thanks for the tip.

Squinch

(50,773 posts)
6. And thank you! I haven't seen that one. Ordering it now.
Sat Feb 10, 2018, 10:36 AM
Feb 2018


Why is it, do you suppose, that this fascinates us?

Does this sound right to you: we feel in our bones that our culture has hatred for us. This was a time when it was overt, out in the open, and we feel like we can find answers in it about why that hatred exists?

Wounded Bear

(58,436 posts)
12. Yeah, and IIRC...
Sat Feb 10, 2018, 11:19 AM
Feb 2018

during our own Salem witch trials, there were numerous land transactions that 'coincidentally' favored the trial judges and accusers by seizing plats left to women. Yeah, some of those 'witches' were simply widows who had the temerity to not re-marry.

Squinch

(50,773 posts)
13. Someone - i forgot who - did a study that showed that
Sat Feb 10, 2018, 11:23 AM
Feb 2018

though there was a good percentage of men among the accused in Salem, the vast majority of the women were standing in someone's way in terms of an inheritance or property ownership.

eleny

(46,166 posts)
16. Thank you, Squinch!
Sat Feb 10, 2018, 11:51 AM
Feb 2018

I just read every review and comment over at Amazon and it's a must read. The way people talked about it you would think it was 1000 page book. But it's only 288 pages. So it must be power packed on every page. Not available at my library so I'm going to ask that they order it. "Witchcraze" is on the shelf so this one needs to be there, too.

WhiteTara

(29,676 posts)
17. That's interesting. I also think it had to do
Sat Feb 10, 2018, 11:53 AM
Feb 2018

with matriarchal lineages of passing family inheritances. Hindus say if you want to know who your father is you must ask your mother. That is why men insisted on marriage and separating women from each other.

 

RandomAccess

(5,210 posts)
19. Well, let's be clear
Sat Feb 10, 2018, 02:18 PM
Feb 2018
Her thesis is that the witch trials in Europe coincided with the fencing of the commons. It was a way to divide and confuse the underclass that was rising up against the loss of the commons, setting the male among them against the female.


It wasn't as if that hadn't been the reality for millennia already at the time.

tanyev

(42,356 posts)
2. I've seen speculation that "Daddy Needs a New Chief of Staff" Ivanka
Sat Feb 10, 2018, 09:54 AM
Feb 2018

may have been the one who leaked it to the tabloids.

mascarax

(1,528 posts)
10. Will she be like Cheney
Sat Feb 10, 2018, 11:15 AM
Feb 2018

And decide SHE is the best candidate?

What does she do there? Whenever something comes up, seems like she and her no-security clearance husband are on vacation.

PatSeg

(46,777 posts)
7. Yes
Sat Feb 10, 2018, 10:52 AM
Feb 2018

and it is a felony to lie to the FBI. They had no choice. Most victims of abuse would rather not air their pain in public. They have nothing to gain by this. I am quite sure they have moved on with their life and would rather not revisit the past.

mascarax

(1,528 posts)
11. Agree this is a great point, Raven
Sat Feb 10, 2018, 11:17 AM
Feb 2018

And I appreciate them speaking up now when they’ve been put in this high profile position.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
18. Good point. Of course, they have now chosen to go public.
Sat Feb 10, 2018, 11:58 AM
Feb 2018

Why now and not before, I don't know. Unless the FBI leaked it? Was it leaked?

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