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Sat Feb 10, 2018, 09:55 AM

Cliven Bundy has set his sights on a new target

For the first time in nearly two years, Cliven Bundy is a free man.

In January, U.S. District Judge Gloria Navarro ruled that the 71-year-old scion of the Bundy family — best known for leading an armed 2014 standoff with federal officials in Bunkerville, Nevada after he refused to pay his grazing fees — should be released from custody and sent on his way. The government’s bungling of the case is just the latest failure in efforts to bring the Bundy family to justice; a 2016 ruling set Cliven’s sons, Ammon and Ryan, free following their hostile takeover of the Malheur wildlife refuge in Oregon.

Citing “flagrant” behavior on the part of federal prosecutors, Navarro, who had already declared a mistrial, specifically cited the government’s move to withhold evidence on surveillance and snipers near the Bundy ranch in her decision. Said Navarro, “The court finds that the universal sense of justice has been violated.” And just like that, with over 100 Bundy supporters watching in the courtroom, all charges against Bundy were dropped. As with the Oregon case against Cliven’s sons, the ruling — which should have all but certainly gone against Bundy, given that so much of his flagrantly illegal behavior was obvious for all to see — illustrated just how poorly the government had presented its arguments.

https://thinkprogress.org/cliven-bundy-roams-free-160eb7f35a7a/


Not only is this asshole free, he has now taken up the traitors cause of putting his illegal cattle back on the land the size of Rhode Island, but he now is going around, in the west, spreading his fucking bullshit.



I hate traitors............................



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Reply Cliven Bundy has set his sights on a new target (Original post)
turbinetree Feb 2018 OP
Ilsa Feb 2018 #1
Sneederbunk Feb 2018 #7
Ilsa Feb 2018 #9
BumRushDaShow Feb 2018 #2
bitterross Feb 2018 #3
StrictlyRockers Feb 2018 #4
nmgaucho Feb 2018 #5
Turn CO Blue Feb 2018 #6
Jake Stern Feb 2018 #8

Response to turbinetree (Original post)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 10:00 AM

1. Can his cattle "get lost" on public lands?

If he's losing more money on his cattle than he would pay in grazing fees, he might rethink his position on risk.

Or do they still shoot cattle rustlers?

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Response to Ilsa (Reply #1)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 11:45 AM

7. Few rustlers left. Most have gone into derivatives.

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Response to Sneederbunk (Reply #7)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 11:54 AM

9. LOL. Dealers in derivatives?

A thief by another name.

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Response to turbinetree (Original post)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 10:03 AM

2. It seems to me

there have been attempts at not repeating Ruby Ridge and Waco, and they then can't put together a cogent argument about federal land vs private land (a huge sticking point in this country almost since its founding).

Not sure of the best way to handle this type of situation without creating a P.R. nightmare.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #2)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 10:39 AM

3. I think you are right. This is not an easy one to solve.

If this were the 18th or 19th century another Waco or Ruby Ridge would not be looked upon overall as anything other than the US Government asserting its authority and enforcing the constitution. Yes, there would still be a large backlash and a great number of dissenters to that point of view. But there wasn't so much free time, easy transportation and the internet to coalesce groups of these people like there is now. When everything took so much longer to gather theses idiot militias it was easier to keep them down.

It really sounds like the prosecutors in this case screwed it all up royally. They should have had a case without doing the dumb stuff that pissed off the judge.

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Response to turbinetree (Original post)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 10:56 AM

4. I know a lot of them got out after some time, but I think some of them are still in prison.

A little research could show that some of these dipshits are still in prison for being extra stupid.

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Response to turbinetree (Original post)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 11:24 AM

5. Doesn't the scumbag realize that land is owned by all of us?

Pay the grazing fees like everyone else or get you cattle off our land a-hole! It's not yours!

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Response to turbinetree (Original post)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 11:25 AM

6. Should hold a giant 7 day outdoor music festival in exact place Bundy likes to graze his cattle


hold the festival WITHOUT a permit.

If the Feds don't like it, the festival organizers could later go to court to negotiate "grazing fees" per attendee.

A bonus is that the cows would love it. They run toward music.

But Bundy would hate it and file complaints or threaten to sue, and that would expose the hypocrisy those sovereign types have about laws and land use rules. "Laws for thee but not for me."

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Response to turbinetree (Original post)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 11:46 AM

8. This is the fault of the government

They sat on evidence requested by the Bundy's lawyers and then channeled Steve Urkel, as in "Did I do that?", when called out.

The Bundy's are worthy of derision but they are also entitled to all constitutional protections and due process rights without Uncle Sam stepping on them.

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