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Personally I think they're both fantastic.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/12/politics/obama-portrait-unveiling/index.html
Vinca
(54,551 posts)No Vested Interest
(5,300 posts)I would not recognize her in it.
PatSeg
(54,064 posts)I didn't know it was Michelle. I'm not crazy about either one of them.
Brainstormy
(2,552 posts)Perseus
(4,341 posts)If I saw the painting without a label having her name, I don't think that I would know it was Michelle Obama.
And I don't understand the theme on Obama in front of a bunch of leaves, some hitting his suit, and him sort of inside it, like floating.
Very modern, but it does not do service to them.
Perseus
(4,341 posts)I know the man-child is going to hate the fact that Obama's hands look huge, and I don't know if the artist was influenced by the man-child's small hands, and yes Obama's hands are bigger than the man-child's, but are they that big? They look out of proportion.
My main criticism is that the portrait of a President and a First Lady should be realistic, and none of the paintings are. They should have hired Daniel Greene, take a look at what this guy does, some of the paintings on the main page are "pastel", they are fantastic, and of course he does oil, that is realism, but if he can do that with "pastel" just see what he can do with oil.
http://www.danielgreeneartist.com/
No Vested Interest
(5,300 posts)better, portraits done of them, in a not-so-stylized form.
Cha
(321,585 posts)at the hands.. I was busy studying the face.
Wow, those are some big hands! wtheck!
I don't think they capture their true image either.. but if President Obama and Michelle like them.. then it's ok with me.
I know it's art and the artists' interpretations.. and I'm glad so many love their portraits.
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Excuse the ugly asshole on the right but this is a recent pic of Obama in a chair.

tblue37
(68,478 posts)DeminPennswoods
(17,629 posts)say the flowers in the background are native to Hawaii and Kenya as a nod to Obama's childhood and lineage.
dflprincess
(29,458 posts)at least I can recognize him (though, to be shallow, I think he's better looking than this painting) but Michelle's portrait doesn't look like her at all.
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)And MO's portrait does look like her.
RestoreAmerica2020
(3,471 posts)...certainly captured (former) First Lady Michelle Obama's beauty, independence, brilliance. I see a strong confident woman, and Obama's-confident, self-assured pose is brill ant. Absolutely stunning portraits!
Michelle Obama's words came to mind...when she was asked about her/their experience with racism during her husband presidency she said that "some could never get past the color of her, their skin."
Wth the exception of we, DU/liberals, I can imagine racist republikkklans hateful and hurtful comments that will be said by them and the racist occupant in the white house who has tried to erase Obama from history? No matter, he will never come close to a man of Obama's stature, intellect; decency and kindness towards all people regardless of religion, ethnicity, sexual orientation language, place of origin. While president he valued America's diversity, he included everyone at the table of opportunity. He and Michele are truly a national treasure...they're the best of us..
Ps. Thank you so much for post. Image of portraits I downloaded were blurry.
Eliot Rosewater
(34,335 posts)CatMor
(6,212 posts)very unique, not the usual boring official portraits
canetoad
(21,218 posts)Evoke strength and calm.
Louis1895
(779 posts)Martina McBride
I beg your pardon I never promised you a rose garden
Along with the sunshine there's gotta be a little rain sometime
When you take you gotta give so live and let live and let go oh oh oh oh
I beg your pardon I never promised you a rose garden
I could promise you things like big diamond rings
But you don't find roses growin' on stalks of clover
So you better think it over
Well, if sweet talking you could make it come true
I would give you the world right now on a silver platter
But what would it matter
So smile for a while and let's be jolly love shouldn't be so melancholy
Come along and share the good times while we can
I beg your pardon I never promised you a rose garden
Along with the sunshine there's gotta be a little rain sometime
I beg your pardon I never promised you a rose garden
I could sing you a tune and promise you the moon
But if that's what it takes to hold you I'd just as soon let you go
But there's one thing I want you to know
You'd better look before you leap still waters run deep
And there won't always be someone there to pull you out
And you know what I'm talking about
So smile for a while and let's be jolly love shouldn't be so melancholy
Come along and share the good times while we can
I beg your pardon I never promised you a rose garden
Along with the sunshine there's gotta be a little rain sometime.....
I beg your pardon I never promised you a rose garden
Along with the sunshine there's gotta be a little rain sometime.....
BigmanPigman
(55,745 posts)and they said that the flowers on President Obama's (wow, that felt odd, I haven't written "president" next to a name since inauguration day 2017) portrait represent different places in his live...like the official flower of Chicago and Hawaii, etc. Michelle said she wants younger people to look at her portrait in the future and think about how brown some first families were.
Corgigal
(9,298 posts)I don't know how the artist captured that for me, but that is what I see.
Alas..
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)But I do agree with you. He possess such a wise appearance. It really does come through.
greymattermom
(5,808 posts)Is that a subtle joke?
LAS14
(15,584 posts)I wonder if that represents reality, and it's just an illusion because of the color and so on, or if the artist did something intentionally. The hands on Michelangelo's David are definitely out of proportion.
LittleGirl
(8,999 posts)but they look real and HUGE. I love the look on his face too.
Wasn't a fan of Michelle's but after the HD photo, I think it's well done.
grantcart
(53,061 posts)
calimary
(91,480 posts)Touche!
The fiend in me can't help but suspect there's more than a "little" private joke being conveyed by the artist.
Whether intentional or not, I hope it GALLS trump.
Funtatlaguy
(11,898 posts)Of Barack and Trump high giving and Trumps fingertips only come to the middle of Obamas palm.
He would be so angry. Lol.
Cracklin Charlie
(12,904 posts)I see power and beauty.
malaise
(299,649 posts)Thanks Skinner
demmiblue
(40,075 posts)I have seen this expressed here. However, in my experience, some (a lot) of it does. We all know what we like on a purely visual basis, but a greater appreciation and/or consideration for a piece has a lot to do with historical context and symbolism.
Gidney N Cloyd
(19,847 posts)I minored in art and I don't remember any of my professors ever saying "this piece is so good that it doesn't need explaining so we'll just skip ahead."
BigmanPigman
(55,745 posts)in different cities. I am looking at on of my old textbooks called Aesthetics: A critical anthology and another one called Theories in Modern Art. What I learned from my many, many classes is basically "what constitutes 'art' is in the mind, eye and heart of each, individual observer". Of course you can writes books on art theory, meaning, symbolism, etc. but it is a purely subjective opinion.
I had to go back and get another degrees (I like to eat) to teach school. I taught art when no one was watching, there is no time for are in my former district, and told my students the same thing. They got discouraged and thought they were bad artists and so I stopped those thoughts ASAP.
BumRushDaShow
(173,651 posts)And for the gardeners, you can recognize some of the flowers there (the artist mentioned some of them and how they relate back to Hawai'i and Chicago). I.e., you see chrysanthemums, and what appears to stephanotis or some type of jasmine, the vine looks like Virginia Creeper, with some rose buds, and possibly a blue creeping phlox included in there.
And it is fascinating how artists can render folds in cloth. I know that is a technique (like light and shadows).
bucolic_frolic
(56,339 posts)Where did it go?
ailsagirl
(24,287 posts)Mr.Bill
(24,906 posts)I especially like the one of him.
LuckyCharms
(23,378 posts)MrScorpio
(73,778 posts)PoindexterOglethorpe
(28,493 posts)but if Barack and Michelle like them, that's all that matters.
Poiuyt
(18,272 posts)customerserviceguy
(25,406 posts)I guess I hearken back to the days (we old guys like the word "hearken"!) when professional oil portraits were set in dignified surroundings, such as a person's professional office.
Barack Obama looks like he's in the middle of a jungle. And Michelle's portrait reminds me of a cartoon. But then, I don't "get" most modern forms of art.
3catwoman3
(30,206 posts)I would not know that was a painting of Michelle without being told. I do not think it looks even remotely like her.
Morris64
(78 posts)Considering his sad, violent works of beheaded women that tarnish an otherwise beautiful portfolio. Just my opinion though.
Iggo
(50,133 posts)Just my opinion.
calimary
(91,480 posts)Well, fortunately, these are quite remarkable.
I am a bit surprised that it would be President Obama depicted with all the leafy foliage behind him - when it's First Lady Michelle who made gardening one of her hallmarks. I'm a little surprised that she wasn't pictured in a garden setting also. But whatever. She's the most glamorous First Lady we've had since Jackie Kennedy. The gown is fabulous, and shows off those famous, beautifully sculpted upper arms of hers - another of her hallmarks!
BumRushDaShow
(173,651 posts)He basically does some variation of a "vine and flower" backdrop on almost all of his portrait paintings. It's unique to say the least and he would be an incredible botanical artist.
a kennedy
(36,763 posts)their other works. You can see how the artists image came to life with each one of their paintings. I just wish Michelles arms would look like the arms every woman in America tried to get when this photo came out:
https://www.sfgate.com/living/article/Michelle-Obama-s-bare-arms-stir-controversy-3247209.php
Remember when all hell broke lose when this photo hit the stands??? A W E S O M E
BumRushDaShow
(173,651 posts)almost every female anchor on television news is in sleeveless dresses year round... including in the colder winter areas.
But she can wear those sleeveless gowns!!!! Inaugural redux -

demmiblue
(40,075 posts)On Twitter and online message boards like the politically correct threads on 4chan, 8chan, and The_Donald subreddit on Reddit, pro-Trump trolls are smearing Wiley by claiming his rendition of Judith beheading Holofernes, a modern twist on a classical theme including works by Caravaggio, Rembrandt, Rubens, and others, is a queen cutting off the head of a young white child. Commenters on the message boards and Twitter have said Wiley seems racist and accused the artist of being the definition of racism.
https://www.mediamatters.org/blog/2018/02/12/pro-trump-trolls-are-coordinating-smear-campaign-against-obama-portrait-artist-kehinde-wiley/219343
Go away.
brush
(61,033 posts)MrScorpio
(73,778 posts)Morris64
(78 posts)It still too closely resembles a woman to me. Maybe its just a sensitive week for me, buried a good friend today.
Thank you again!
Morris64
(78 posts)According to the artist himself. Sad.
In one hand, she holds a knife. In the other, a cleanly severed brunette female head. Its sort of a play on the kill whitey thing, Wiley says.
http://nymag.com/arts/art/rules/kehinde-wiley-2012-4/
MrScorpio
(73,778 posts)Last edited Wed Feb 14, 2018, 12:20 PM - Edit history (1)
But no one ever cared about the "white-on-white" paintings.
Morris64
(78 posts)geardaddy
(25,392 posts)Morris64
(78 posts)In the artists own words.
http://nymag.com/arts/art/rules/kehinde-wiley-2012-4/
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)Barrack's I don't like at all. The garden ruins it for me. It's like he was just placed on top of a garden painting. It lacks depth.
Gidney N Cloyd
(19,847 posts)President Obama's looks like he was photographed in the chair and superimposed there. It's a little too 'photoshop-y' for me.
Sanity Claws
(22,461 posts)Almost monochromatic dress, no lipstick, and then blue nail polish.
The muscles on her arms are downplayed.
TygrBright
(21,417 posts)But the more I look at it, the more it draws me in. I see enormous subtlety in the balance of simple geometric elements with the more organic shapes of flesh, hair and cloth and their understated modeling and shadowing detail.
I get an impression of great strength and integrity.
I could look at it for hours.
The portrait of Barack is more instantly evocative of a 'wow!' reaction, but it has many layers as well.
I miss them so much.
I'm so proud, grateful, and honored that he was our validly-elected, freely-chosen President for eight years during my lifetime, and that the whole family provided quality leadership.
appreciatively,
Bright
LAS14
(15,584 posts)It makes me think that that wonderful Michelle frown is more appropriate to these times than her smile. Not that the portrait is a frown. It's in between.
TygrBright
(21,417 posts)PatentlyDemocratic
(89 posts)In his portrait, he disappears into the foliage. In her portrait, the dress dominates. Seems strange to draw the eye away from the subject.
Technically, his portrait is superior, although his hands are far too big (inside joke?).
eleny
(46,182 posts)Although the dress is dramatic her face draws me back to it every time. Funny how we had opposite reactions.
I always thought that Michelle Obama could wear a dress beautifully. She was never, imo, swallowed up by her dresses. That can happen given some of the gowns she wore. But she dominated every time to my eyes. Same in this portrait.
blogslut
(39,257 posts)I was waiting for a closer, better look at them. Yay!
MLAA
(19,860 posts)I love Michelles portrait because it captures her style, confidence and exudes her power. The likeness in the face could be a tad better, but I still appreciate it.
packman
(16,296 posts)Not very powerful and lacking in message. Also, why separate official pixs, their "oneness" was the most appealing and most compelling part of their tenure in the White House.
MontanaMama
(24,781 posts)If The Dotard gets thrown out of office or resigns, does he get a portrait? Asking for a friend...
ploppy
(2,207 posts)ornotna
(11,603 posts)I do like them.
orangecrush
(31,864 posts)Speak to me not as a joke about Trump, but instead of strength and capability, the feeling of security we had when the helm of the country was in those gentle hands.
Michelle's portrait evokes her unpretentious style, beautiful but not in an artificial way, her genuine caring for ordinary people shines through.
DFW
(60,828 posts)His handshake is firm (actually, strong for a leftie, just like Bill Clinton), and his fingers are long (he should have been a guitarist!), but they aren't anything like the painting implies.
I find Michelle to be far prettier in person than the painting shows. That surprised me more than anything.
orangecrush
(31,864 posts)to have met them!
Thanks for sharing that memory!
DFW
(60,828 posts)I first met him as a Senator in 2006. then again at the Denver Convention in 2008. I got to spend an hour with him during the 2012 campaign season, saw them both briefly at the White House for three years in a row after that.
orangecrush
(31,864 posts)for sharing that!
And thank you for your service to our party and country!
I just do what I do. Sometimes it takes me to interesting places and lets me hang with interesting people. Most of the time, it's too little sleep and too much work, just like everyone else.
underthematrix
(5,811 posts)When I first looked at iMichelle Obama's portrait I wondered why the artist didn't use natural tones. Then I remembered how Michelle's beautiful deep rich skin color was a palette for hate. Hateful people (mostly white) would re-imagine Mrs. Obama as an ape or monkey even though lower primates have whitish grey or pink skin and straight hair like most whites. They re-imagined her as a man with a penis because in their world femininity was pale, pink, translucent. So as vibrant, as brilliant, and as beautiful as Mrs Obama is she had to operate in grey scale to do all the amazing things that she did for America. Even her beautiful toned slightly muscular arms were toned down. Her throne of grace was hidden under the spray of her wide skirted draping dress. Yes living in grey scale shows the power of African American endurance, creativity, and wisdom.
The portrait is so powerful that I imagine in 20 years, there will be a political history course simply titled GREY SCALE.
eleny
(46,182 posts)Btw, I like both portraits. Artists often create what they feel and I appreciate these efforts.
PatrickforO
(15,554 posts)Some of the other posters said they would not have recognized this woman as Michelle, and I can see that. Still a striking portrait though, and once you know it IS Michelle, you can see it.
As to the one of Barack, I'm a bit indifferent to it, mainly because of the leafy background. Not sure what the artist wanted to show, but this is a dignified man, a man of gravitas, a statesman and a great president. I'd prefer to see the background lend a little more dignity. Again, the likeness is great. The leaves not at all.
planetc
(9,014 posts)Without knowing the artist likes greenery, my instant reaction was that it was a happy instance of symbolism--green being the color of growth, nature, hope, and energy, all of which suggest the triumph of his election in the first place. Far from disappearing into the greenery, the likeness of the president burns with energy, focus, intensity, thought, and engagement. He gazes straight at the viewer, challengingly. And then I noticed that there appear to be four or five different kinds of flowers in various stages of bloom, which you would not find in nature emerging from one kind of foliage. I thought the different flowers suggested all the colors of humans in the US, and this president's desire that we should all bloom. The portrait draws the eye, and rivets it on the face of the subject, and says: this is what a president looks like. He may have left office, but he is the ground we all grow from in this country, and there is really no stopping him or his spiritual successors.
As for the portrait of Michelle, I think it's brilliant in a different way. The combination of her sideways pose with the patterns in her long dress create an obvious, but graceful, triangle whose apex is her calm face. Our eyes are drawn upward to hers. And she is not smiling. We have seen her smile beautifully on all sorts of occasions, but we have not had much chance to see her being calm and reflective. (Mrs. Obama, your husband's written several books. There's no law against your writing one.) So the portrait is geometric, clean, elegant, and says to me that we still do not have the measure of this woman who put up with floods of nonsense and abuse from the resident racists. She is still there, and we do not know her well, but the strength and determination in her face unmask a side of her, and all women, that we don't see often. Most women hide aspects of themselves to function socially: Mrs. Obama chooses to reveal some of the qualities she brings to this life, no matter who she's married to.
Sucha NastyWoman
(3,023 posts)Michelle Obama has a fiery clarity in her eyes. A beautiful glow, also, that show her kindness and intelligence. I dont see that in this portrait at all. I agree with those who say if they saw this portrait and were asked who it was, many people would not know.
DeminPennswoods
(17,629 posts)when I saw these.
fierywoman
(8,671 posts)Auggie
(33,382 posts)Portrait painting should bring you closer to the subject, not create remoteness (especially with these two wonderful souls).
Very poor execution in my professional opinion. Failing grade.
Nevernose
(13,081 posts)More specifically, the background. Because its essentially one even surface, it has neither linear nor atmospheric perspective yet it still interacts with the President, who is sitting in a chair, looking both dapper and three dimensional.
It makes me dizzy. Fun as an optical illusion, but not so much as a presidential portrait.
But what would I know? Im the guy who was escorted out of the Smithsonian for screaming, literally, The emperor had no clothes! Mostly because I hate Mark Rothko, because fuck that guy.
I quite like Michelles portrait, though.
Omaha Steve
(110,641 posts)heaven05
(18,124 posts)What's stinking up 1600 NOW is dumpster material.
Atman
(31,464 posts)At least about the Michelle one -- I liked Obama's from the beginning, especially when viewing it along with other work by the artist. But seeing it like this, with proper color and, nice and sharp...it's a stunner. I still don't think I would guess it Michelle if I saw it out of context, but it's still a beautiful painting.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)But, I guess it's better than this:

rocktivity
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The first African-blooded United States president is placed in what is essentially a jungle? And while the artist did manage to capture and project his essence, he's been colored an oompah loompah orange.
The painting of Michelle, meanwhile (I cannot consider it a portrait) comes across as the work of an earnest but wall paint-supplied junior high schooler: it's two-dimensional, the dress is the star of the show, and doesn't resemble her in the least.
rocktivity
StarryNite
(12,197 posts)I really don't like them.
The explanation for all the leaves and flowers helps me understand why all that surrounds President Obama. I do like the way his eyes are portrayed. However, Michelle Obama's eyes don't sparkle in the painting. She looks sad and unsure, not full of life the way we are used to seeing her. But then again, I guess we are all sad and unsure these days.
edbermac
(16,501 posts)
3catwoman3
(30,206 posts)...of the face (the left, as you look at it). The iris of the right eye is too close to the nose, giving a cross-eyed look, and that entire side of the face looks smaller. If you cover that side of the face and look at just her left side, it does look like her at least somewhat. The other side does not. Not even a little.
And before anyone chimes in to inform me that our faces are not symmetrical, I do know this.
tblue37
(68,478 posts)the image in the earlier thread. It's a pretty portrait, but the face doesn't look much like her (though everything else does). Also, she usually smiles.
Ilsa
(64,757 posts)But I think the artist captured the essence of her style, intelligence, and demeanor.
doc03
(39,235 posts)liked them both and think Obama was a great president but no I don't like that at all. But
what do I know.
mcar
(46,564 posts)kpete
(72,904 posts)and an art teacher
Don't even get me started on Art History
It is the only thing other than politics that I am obsessed with.
I FIND THESE PORTRAITS SO REFRESHING!!!
Compared to these:
Link to tweet
LAS14
(15,584 posts)... broaden our horizons.
WePurrsevere
(24,259 posts)While I greatly appreciate the craftsmanship past artists have put into their paintings of presidents and first ladies, I think such unique art is prefect to represent the uniqueness that is the Obamas and IMO they each capture the essence of who the Obamas are.
rusty fender
(3,428 posts)Perfect
Lifelong Protester
(8,421 posts)SharonClark
(10,497 posts)It would be a shame if they thought they are as bad as I think they are.
ismnotwasm
(42,674 posts)I was taken aback at first glance, them I saw how gorgeous the work really is. Just stunning
DFW
(60,828 posts)Someone has the same taste in backgrounds:
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octoberlib
(14,971 posts)Codeine
(25,586 posts)fishwax
(29,346 posts)I think the president's is a more accurate likeness, but I prefer the painting of Michelle. It's so striking, as is she.
I love how confidently they've disrupted the traditional style of these national gallery portraits.
saidsimplesimon
(7,888 posts)Mrs. Obama's portrait looks more like her daughters. It delights me that she may have included them in the homage. Just my silly, human side showing.
Demsrule86
(71,578 posts)Love the Obamas and miss them.