Suicides are killings Too

[Ohioboy]

Does it make anyone else mad that gun nuts complain when suicides are included in gun death statistics? They are always quick to point out that suicides count for a significant portion of gun deaths each year, as if suicides somehow don't count as "real" gun deaths. They also like to complain when accidental gun deaths numbers are included.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

1. It infuriates me that they want to carve out suicides

as if somehow it's okay for someone to use a gun to murder himself.

There would be vastly fewer suicides in this country if guns weren't so readily at hand.

Someone did a long term follow up of people who'd been deterred from committing suicide. Not a single one had actually killed themselves some years later. So the statement that they'd kill themselves anyway, with the unspoken "So they may as well use a gun" is nonsense.