Married to a Republican - My wife's response to the Meuller news.

[Doodley]

"Well, Hillary Clinton is going to be indicted soon!"

As an atheist, I ask God to give me strength.

[Wounded Bear]

1. Denial ain't just a river in Egypt...

[LiberalFighter]

2. It amazes me how blind people are.

[SleeplessinSoCal]

55. Russia spent millions to smere Her. That's what the 13 indictments are about.

Please leave her a note.

[Doodley]

57. Thanks for that! I will save that for our next argument - not that they happen very often.

[Aristus]

3. I'm married to a former Republican.

Trump's theft of the Presidency turned her into a Democrat.

I hope this happens for you soon...

[Cha]

18. Wow!

[Atticus]

37. I'm married (47 years) to a wonderful woman who is the only Democrat in her family.

We've marched against war, for civil rights and canvassed in another state for President Obama. We've walked the bridge in Selma and picketed with union labor in Illinois and Indiana. We drove through a hurricane in 2012 to protest at the GOP convention and participated in Occupy encampments in DC and St. Louis. We were in DC for the Women's March in 2017.

We don't agree on everything, but we are both liberal Democrats and her participation, support and insight are the only reason I can get through the day sometimes in the deep red community in which we live.

I am a lucky Democrat.

[weissmam]

41. Big Hug

[Grammy23]

78. Same here, Atticus.

I live in NW Florida where the red is blood red. If my husband and I were not in the same page politically, I’d go stark raving mad. There ARE Democrats here but many keep a low profile to avoid the crazies. The tRump people. A few are brave enough to put a bumper sticker on their cars (or have Obama stickers still on their cars).

I figured tRump would be gone by now. Looks like I was wrong. But Mueller seems to have tightened up his case today. tRump should have his ass puckered up to his Adam’s apple. Hallelujah!

[GreenPartyVoter]

87. Similar story here, but he started coming out of

the conservative camp a few years back when we faded away from church. Trump was just the final nail in the coffin.

That said, he's still pretty conservative, but recognizes the need for not playing games with health care or the scotus.

[BSdetect]

4. Some are really beyond reason - fact free no doubt.

[lapfog_1]

5. I know a good divorce lawyer

just kidding... but I could never ever date / marry a republican

[John Fante]

38. Neither could I.

It's a total deal-breaker, especially in this day and age.

[BigmanPigman]

43. Me neither.

My sister informed me of an unwritten family rule, " We (my last name) never marry or date GOP supporters". This was after I had begun to date a guy who lived with his grandmother who had an "I LOVE Bush" sign in her window. I tore it up when Granny was on a family outing one day. She never noticed. The relationship was doomed none the less. I should have known better. I have enough patience to teach first graders, but anyone with GOP beliefs is a beyond my realm of patience and principles. Even my outgoing message on my phone machine for 1 1/2 years has been, "This is ***-****. Please leave a message, unless you are a Republican then please run along". I think it shows considerable restraint since I really want to say, "...then go fuck off".

[Neema]

83. Yeah, sorry, total dealbreaker for me.

My man is slightly right of me, but I couldn't spend every day with someone who agrees with Republican ideology. I can barely make it through a meal with Republicans without grinding my teeth.

[phylny]

6. I'm really sorry.

It took about six years of George W. Bush for my husband to start voting for Democrats. He enjoys the Mueller updates and is a huge Rachel Maddow fan. This has changed him immensely.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

19. Yes...me too - and it's such a great feeling because my husband figured it out

himself - slowly - with zero browbeating from me !

[HipChick]

7. This made me..

Hillary should trademark her name...

[sharedvalues]

8. How can you tolerate such faulty opinions?

How can she be so out of touch with reality?? And how can you tolerate it, since you seem to be a level headed fact based person?

[Doodley]

11. We argued. I asked her to provide one shred of evidence - she said I need to educate myself.

I ran through some key events, the Trump Tower meeting, Manafort, Flynn, and Trump calling on Russia to release emails. She suggests the video of Trump saying that is fake. It always comes back to her hatred of Hillary Clinton. It drives me crazy.

[sharedvalues]

13. Does she watch Fox or listen to Limbaugh?

I can't talk to members of my family that listen to right-wing propaganda - it's poisonous bile that ruins their brains. Either they stop, or I stop talking to them.

Fox lies to get votes for billionaires.

[Doodley]

60. No. Maybe when she visits her mother and I'm not there, or when she is driving. It disgusts me too.

[AZ8theist]

9. I'm an atheist too, but...

I'm sorry. Your wife is a fucking imbecile.

[mia]

10. Hope that other Republicans are thinking this.

Stay strong!

[Doodley]

16. Good point. Anyone who thinks or hopes Hillary will be indicted is going to be disappointed. Thanks!

[WhiteTara]

12. Today, I asked God to deliver us from religion

and I don't believe in a god either. But we are definitely pushed. Thank heaven I'm in love with a Democrat. I might commit murder.

[phylny]

22. I believe in God and I've prayed asking for justice for our country and its people.

Between the two of us, I hope we prevail

[WhiteTara]

28. Well, it's a whole discussion

and if you work for justice, then you'll both prevail. You do nothing, nothing happens.

[phylny]

88. I absolutely agree! n/t

[Laura PourMeADrink]

14. Wow...admire you. If my banker husband hadn't listened and read and came to

the conclusion that Trump was unbelievably unqualified and disgustingly corrupt - I can't really imagine how I would have survived the last two years.

[Mariana]

82. My husband began to get sucked into the

"Trump is a great businessman, he's not a politician, we need something different, the same old same old isn't working" crap he was hearing all day at work. Propaganda works, and intelligence doesn't necessarily make one immune. Anyway, the pussy-grabbing tape put an end to any chance he'd ever vote for Trump. We have two daughters and two granddaughters. He had visions of this disgusting creature putting his filthy paws on them against their will, and it made him want to puke.

[Skittles]

15. I could NOT respect someone like that

[forgotmylogin]

84. She must be a gem in every other respect!

Someone who can make up for a right-wing ideology in other categories and manage to be married to a Democrat deserves mad props.

[Proud liberal 80]

17. Dont think I can be married to a Republican

Hell, I don’t even like having Republican friends. That’s how bad it’s gotten for me.

[Doodley]

21. It isn't easy. She isn't a Trumper and I'm convinced the day will come when she will see the light.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

23. Yes ! And our circle of acquaintances - I look at their facebook pages and they

are posting pics of themselves holding guns and saying "there are a million AR 15's out there - no way you could control that." and more....metal detectors in schools, blah blah blah.

No matter what we say *I am in the heart of red country....we will never convince these stupid mofo's.

[Doodley]

29. Yep. Soon after we married, I decided to quit Facebook for that reason. Guns, Obama bashing,

anti-Muslim. Not that my wife is like that, but her family... It was making me sick.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

34. There's hope ! I have lived through Thanksgiving dinners where people were

screaming at each other - Now, the whole family (except for parents) hate Trump. It is so liberating for me ! I love it. The parents will not even mention him - think there's a bit of embarrassment/humiliation for voting for him involved.

[Doodley]

62. Yes, I hope that embarrassment/humiliation for voting for him will be widespread when he is

removed from office.

[MontanaMama]

20. I'm married to one too.

On election day 2016, when it was apparent that evil was afoot, I looked at my GOPer husband and said "OMG, it is happening." He told me that I needed to relax. Yeah. Relax. We had the worst fight in our 23 year marriage that night. At least he voted for HRC - I do know that. While I wouldn't say he's 100% on our side yet, he sure as hell is no longer a loud and proud GOPer. There's hope, friend, there's hope.

[Doodley]

25. Thanks. I thought I was going to die on election night. I went out in the dead of night and

collapsed in the middle of the street and cried. That and when my mother died are the worst days of my life. I believe a time will come when most GOPers will be ashamed of what happened.

[Glamrock]

24. You're a better man than I....

God give you strength...

[Horizens]

26. I'd ask him for a

new wife.

[jimlup]

27. What is worrying is that a whole infrastructure of right-wing propaganda is dedicated to helping

your wife believe the completely fake stuff she apparently believes. It is sad for our country and a significant threat to our democratic system. Never mind the Russians, our right wing media is doing a quite fine job of tearing down our democracy all by themselves.

[Doodley]

30. Yes, my heart is very heavy for the country and the world. I am a socialist from England and I feel

heart-broken. I am living in America now and it seems that it doesn't matter to half the nation that there are people without healthcare, that we have a president that doesn't believe in science and sticks his fingers up to the planet. I am so filled with feelings of disgust that anyone can support this president (my wife's not a Trumper). The people are brainwashed into thinking this is actually good. The right-wing media still shocks me today as it did when I first came here 15 years ago.

[jimlup]

32. Yes, It would be interesting

if we were reading about it in a history book but unfortunately, we have to live it. Thanks for your post. It is helpful to know what people are experiencing in these trying times.

[StarryNite]

31. I feel your pain.

I'm married to one of those people too. We used to argue a lot about politics but now we just don't really talk about it. I'm not going to change his mind and he sure as hell won't change mine! At least our kids, who are adults, are both tRump hating Democrats! WooHoo!

[Doodley]

47. Well done on keeping Trump away from your children!

[MFM008]

33. Doodly

You are a saint. At this point my significant other would be deciding his favorite flavor of anti-freeze......

[Doodley]

49. Thanks. I have been so overwhelmed with health issues - my wife's and her parents that I haven't

processed it in the same way as if I didn't have to deal with that too, Ultimately, I love my wife and have to let stuff sweep over me or I would go crazy.

[vercetti2021]

35. How?

How can you do it? I would have lost it and bailed. No way I could be married to someone that'd have such a narrow mind on reality

[Takket]

36. did you explain to her that she has to be under investigation before she can be indicted?

[pnwmom]

39. Yikes! This must be straining a lot of marriages. n/t

[Willie Pep]

40. That is most of my family too.

Some people just don't want to see the truth. Could you imagine if the roles were reversed and the Russians were trying to help a Democrat? They would be calling for the entire Democratic Party to be imprisoned for treason.

[Doodley]

77. You are right. They are hypocrites.

[mountain grammy]

42. I'm married to a Republican

who hasn't voted for one since Reagan, and he regrets that one. We did vote for a local repub. for a state legislative seat a few years ago, but think he was the last.

I don't know how you do it. I honestly would lose my mind.

[janx]

61. If you are married to a Republican who hasn't voted for one since Reagan,

then why is s/he still a Republican? That was back in the 80s! ?

[mountain grammy]

69. I know right? Lazy or stubborn.

He did vote in the primaries but now that they’re open he may go Independent.

[spike91nz]

44. Life is too short

To be married to a Republican, though I can see a kinky side to it.

[orangecrush]

46. See post #45

[orangecrush]

45. Dated a republican operative

in the late 90's.

I was at the absolute top of my game, and so was she.

I hated her politics, and grew to love her.

We partied like it was 1999, because, well, it WAS 1999!

[Rorey]

48. Crazy

Doodley, my husband is a lifelong Democrat who voted for 45 and STILL supports him. It has definitely changed our relationship, and I don't see how it can ever return to how it once was.

I'm amazed on a daily basis at how he can overlook or ignore the facts right in front of us. A couple of weeks ago I downgraded our cable to basic so we no longer get fauxnews. I'm hoping that it reduces the amount of garbage that he hears, but I suspect that he's still listening to right wing radio when he's out and about.

At this point I don't think any news could come out about 45 that would change his mind. It truly is like he has been taken in by a cult.
Like your wife, he has ridiculous responses to news that's disparaging to 45. We don't fight as much now as we did last year, but there's an awful tension in the air.

Every day I wonder what the hell happened to my husband's brain.

[Doodley]

54. Thanks for your reply. We never have Fox. I made it clear early in my marriage that I will never

stay in anybody's home if they have Fox News on. Generally we never have news on, and I miss that as in England I was a news junkie. She still gets the far right news I think from the car radio too. My wife says she isn't a Trump supporter, but always defends him by bringing up the Clintons and criticizing the media. I think her family and friends know what to expect from me now if they talk politics. I believe Trump is a white supremacist and tell them that.

[DoctorJoJo]

50. I'd Call It Grounds For A Divorce!

[Doodley]

56. Divorce isn't an option for me. I love my wife and made a lifetime commitment.

[chillfactor]

51. It is amazing to me...

how STUPID your wife is

[Juliusseizure]

52. James Carville is married to Mary Matalin

I don't know how but they've been married since 1993. They don't discuss politics at home which is wise.

[democratisphere]

53. Doodley that is torture. My sympathies to you!

[sarcasmo]

58. I could never be married to a Republican, Good luck.

[Blue_true]

59. How did you end up married to a republican?

Did you are she change after marriage? Today's republicans are pretty far out, they are not remotely Eisenhower republicans. Pardon me if the question is too personal.

[Doodley]

66. I married her when I was confident Obama would be president and thought it wasn't going to be

a problem moving forward. She doesn't vote and isn't a Trumper, but has been brainwashed by her family and right-wing propaganda.

[Blue_true]

90. Well, if you love her and she is overall a decent person. nt

[GWC58]

63. Indict Hillary for what?

30 years of RWNJ propaganda hasn’t taken her down yet. I’m fortunate in that my wife likes & respects Hillary quite a lot.

[janx]

68. . . .

Precisely. . .

[Liberal In Texas]

71. Glad you liked it, but I thought I should delete as a matter of being sensitive to his plight.

[janx]

75. Why did you delete it?

It was perfect!

[janx]

76. It was not that bad. n/t

[Doodley]

70. She is a victim of brain-washing. Not a good enough reason to leave her.

[Skittles]

85. um

victim? these folk have access to all the information they need to be informed - they believe WHAT THEY WANT TO BELIEVE....they are *NOT* victims. They would be victims ONLY if that was ALL the information they could get.

[femmedem]

92. I love your commitment to your marriage.

I am very lucky in that my husband and my family agree politically on nearly every issue. (His family has some Republicans; it's difficult for him.)

But nearly every person has some fault that would seem like a deal breaker from the outside of a marriage. Only from within the marriage can you understand the love that allows you to forgive the seemingly unforgivable.

Kudos to you. May you have a long and happy marriage--and may she one day see the light.

[pangaia]

65. Is she this irrational and anti-reality in other areas of life?

[Doodley]

72. Good question. Yes, but I haven't met a Repub who isn't.

[pangaia]

73. I wish you well and... peace of mind.

I could never do that.

[grantcart]

67. I have relatives who are Republicans and the husband and wife had to install a "no politics" rule

Because he can't believe that anyone supports Trump and she watches Fox news 24 hours a day.

[Doodley]

74. If my wife watched Fox, I would be in an asylum. That is something I could not tolerate!

[grantcart]

79. My parents were Goldwater Republicans and never wavered. My dad died young and my mom

remarried in her 60s to a high school friend.

He was now a liberal California style Democrat.

Funny thing is that he used humor to get her to laugh at her positions. If someone saw somebody on TV say we need to get rid of all the illegals she might say "I agree with that" and he would say

"Can't they wait until they get all the apples in first? I like apples. What do you have against apples?"

"I love apples"

"Are you going to pick them? Your children? Your grandchildren? I hate to give up apples, can't they stay until all the apples are in, please?"

Now she would we be laughing and say that they should stay until the apples are in.

After a couple of minutes he would say "Man I love strawberries" and now she would be laughing and concede the point, we need these nice people.

It was very strange to see this guy who we didn't know very well be able to turn her politics around not by arguing with her but by using sly humor. He was really quite good at it and she became much more of a middle of the road person.

[janx]

81. Yeah. Funny how that political switch happened.

I remember when republican types were the forerunners in the environmental movement. I'm still there.

[janx]

80. I have dear friends who are Republicans, and that

will never change, but the more recent Republicans, the converts from dixiecrats in the 80s, really concern me. I love them too, but the conspiracy theories involved bother the hell out of me.

[Caliman73]

86. That is a tough situation. Stay strong.

I think there was a time, maybe up until the 1990's where There were manageable differences between Democratic Party members and Republicans. Republicans have been the party of business interests and laissez faire economics, but they also wanted government to stay out of people's private lives as well (with some caveats). However, when Gingrich turned everything into a zero sum political game and De Lay and the rest of the Republicans jumped onto the K-Street bandwagon, Republicans started the march to extreme land. Fox and right-wing media helped to keep people blind to facts.

At this point I think that there are core values that are so entrenched that it would be difficult for me to be with someone who's core values were so different than mine. I could not respect a person so easily or voluntarily mislead and if I cannot respect you, then I can't be in a relationship with you.

Good luck.

[rownesheck]

89. You are a much stronger person than i.

I could never date, much less marry, a republican. To me, life is hard enough to add that much more of a challenge. I don't make friends easily, either. In fact, the vast majority of my friends are ones i met in junior high and high school (insert loser joke here). And I'm starting to hate them now that they are turning out to be republifucks and libertarians! I hope your marriage survives this tumultuous period we find ourselves in.

[Downtown Hound]

91. "But...Hillary!" is the last refuge of a Trump supporter.

It will be their saving grace when their hero goes down and they have to face the reality that they supported a traitor. In the end they will just hide behind the, "Hillary is just as bad," excuse.

[Ilsa]

93. Ask her to give up

doing something you don't like, (hogging the tv remote?) until HRC is indicted if she is so confidant, so sure. Ask her to put her actions wete her beliefs are. You can do the same, for trump or any mamber of his staff or family.

Oh, wait. Shucks, Flynn has already been indicted.

[wryter2000]

94. My sympathy

My late husband voted for Reagan. Eventually, he came to be more liberal than me. Surround her with facts, and she might come to her senses.