Get Rid Of Social Security & Medicare To Fix The Debt. It Is The Only Way.

[TheMastersNemesis]

That is if you believe Ryan on Fox news on Sunday. We cannot afford these programs even though money is being taken out of each pay check to pay for them. It is called reform. It would be a tax cut for every American and a tax cut for business because the deductions would disappear.

Yet seniors keep voting for the GOP in large numbers. I do not understand.

[Beartracks]

1. If the middle class is not "entitled" to the investment payouts it has earned...

... from Social Security, then the wealthy class should not be "entitled" to its unearned income from the stock market.

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[Control-Z]

2. He really said that?

So soon? I thought it would be a year before he started pushing that BS. Long enough for voters to forget about 1.5 trillion dollars tax cut for corporations and the rich.

If Democrats started pushing a talking point about it right now the nitwits might be able to connect the dots.

[pangaia]

4. He knows how fucking stupid republican voters are, and, unfortunately, too many democrats as well.

[RKP5637]

26. K&R!!!!!! n/t

[msongs]

3. perhaps the democrats could make this more well known thru a nicely written media

campaign where all dems present a unified message consistently and often

[Squinch]

28. Wouldn't that be nice? But don't hold your breath. I like you too much.

[pangaia]

30. DUH ! One would think, wouldn't one.

[jmowreader]

5. There's no way he could do it, even if he wanted to throw grandma in the street

The government is too dependent on borrowing the money in the Trust Funds for those programs (which is exactly how they're supposed to work) to ever end those programs.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

6. This senior does NOT vote for the GOP.

[Kablooie]

7. Current senior won't be affected...

Is what they always say.
It will change for younger people only.
So seniors are delighted to screw the young punks.

[klook]

27. Part of the long-term strategy -- see

Democracy in Chains by Nancy MacLean.

[pangaia]

32. So it's been going on even longer than I thought.

Thanks.

[pangaia]

31. Don't believe that for a second.

[SergeStorms]

13. Whoa, back up there Exotica.

Those are mighty broad strokes you're painting with!

...."they're racist old selfish, hateful fuckers who are full of a lifetime of fail and need to scapegoat the young and/or the brown".

Would you like to re-write that, adding some qualifiers, so that you're not totally denigrating an entire generation of people, or are you satisfied that you're correct about everyone over 60 years old?

I'll refrain from casting aspersions on young people, although they're extremely easy targets.

[Kittycow]

14. I read those sentiments about the Oldsters a lot on Reddit.

It's maddening. I've never done or been or done any of those things!

[Exotica]

16. was only referring to Republican voters who fit that archetype

I know plenty who do


this was in the OP, thsi is what I was replying to, not making a universal statement

Yet seniors keep voting for the GOP in large numbers. I do not understand.

sorry, I deleted it

[SergeStorms]

23. No harm done.

Just be a little more mindful of we old, decrepit, Democrats. Our feelings are easily hurt. We've been fighting these bastards a long time, and some of the scar tissue is still tender.

And a belated WELCOME to DU.

[Exotica]

25. thanks so much, and again I am so sorry for not being

more specific in my comment, I was just having some flashbacks to bad moments in my life with some people who fit the "old, hateful racist republican" stereotype. I so so respect older people in general, I have overall had far more positive interactions than negative ones.

cheers!

[SergeStorms]

34. Oh, I've been the recipient of admonishments myself.

That's how we learn. Maybe I'm getting a little sensitive about my age as well. Like I said, no biggie. We're all in this together.

[Exotica]

35. Thanks for the nice reply, huggies

[hamsterjill]

17. We need to be mindful of sewing division

I see a lot of age bashing these days and I am not a fan. I’m a baby boomer and I’ve never voted for a Republican in my life. There’s no way all members of an entire generation conveniently fit into one box. We are all individuals with likes and dislikes and a unique perspective on our world.

[Exotica]

15. I was referring to Republican voters who fit that archetype

I know plenty who do


this was in the OP, thsi is what I was replying to, not making a universal statement

Yet seniors keep voting for the GOP in large numbers. I do not understand.

sorry, I deleted it

[Kittycow]

18. OK; gotcha!

Sorry I misread it.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

9. 4 point gap

According to:

http://www.people-press.org/2015/04/07/a-deep-dive-into-party-affiliation/

Under the heading "Party ID By Generation",
50-68: Republicans 41%, Democrats 47%
69-86: Republicans 47%, Democrats 43%.

(Couldn't find a later report).

Ryan may discover that old folks are not necessarily toothless.

[pnwmom]

10. Seniors know that they would be grandfathered in, in any of the GOP proposals.

It would be middle aged people who would be screwed, after paying into the system for decades.

[Mariana]

22. They'd have to keep the OASDI and Medicare taxes in place

to pay for the continued benefits of current recipients, so everyone who earns money would be screwed, middle-aged and young alike.

[pansypoo53219]

11. this was another greenspan time bomb. cap too low, the rates too high. KILL THE CAP.

[CousinIT]

12. A few things to spread far and wide....to counter this narrative.

The Absurdity of Cutting Social Security to Reduce the Debt

http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/21154-the-17-trillion-delusion-the-absurdity-of-cutting-social-security-to-reduce-the-federal-debt


Social Security FAQ:

https://www.socialsecurityworks.org/faq/

Isn’t Social Security the cause of our large federal deficit?

Not at all. Social Security has its own dedicated revenue stream described above, so it cannot contribute a penny to the federal deficit. In fact, it currently enjoys a $2.8 trillion surplus that will grow to $2.9 trillion by 2019. And Social Security is forbidden by law from borrowing, so it cannot deficit spend.

The Campaign to Fix the Debt is the latest incarnation of a decades-long effort by former Nixon man turned Wall Street billionaire Pete Peterson to slash earned benefit programs such as Social Security and Medicare under the guise of fixing the nation's "debt problem."

https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Fix_the_Debt_Leaders_and_Conflicts_of_Interest

@EXPOSEDbyCMD has an entire portal dedicated to the "Fix the Debt" campaign and who is behind it. Paul Ryan has been pushing their bogus narrative for years: https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Portal:Fix_the_Debt


SHARE, SHARE, SHARE, SHARE -- pass it on to whomever, wherever. We have GOT to counter Ryan's bogus narrative! On Facebutt or Twitter? SHARE all this there, too!

[Vinca]

19. Seniors are most likely a protected species. Even the GOP would grandfather current

recipients in. The people who should be worried and should be voting these assholes out are the people still in the work force who are unlikely to become independently wealthy (vast majority of people). That said, seniors who do vote for Republicans are making life worse for their younger relatives. Guess it's a good thing no one lives forever.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

21. It's a good plan. Split the vote.

The hope would be that seniors (being selfish idiots, of course) would support dropping SS/Medicare because we're unaffected.

Even some of us "liberal" seniors care about the future of our spawn, and will fight for SS/Medicare.

Screw Ryan.

[TheMastersNemesis]

20. Ryan Keeps Getting Away With His Rhetoric. No One Seems To Be In His Face.

[Gabi Hayes]

24. Their plan continues to work perfectly

Idiot with a pen strategy, via Grover the Tub

[blueinredohio]

29. Because republicans have to be shown before they believe anything bad about

their republican elected officials

[pangaia]

33. This is a perfect issue where DEM politicos need to gather,

form a united front with well-designed 'stragedergery' and tactics, and pump it out every day....

"------repubs have for decades been causing more and more debt for the sole purpose of then taking away "social programs," and what-have-you as the only way to solve the terrible debt 'caused by dems.'

But it almost never happens-- on any issue
It sometimes feels like it is every man/woman for her/himself.
And THIS is an excellent issue to do it on.

I mean how simple could it possibly be??

DUH !!!

Maybe one problem with some/many/most? 'politicians' is that, at least after a time, they see things from the old bubble and do not see reality.

Maybe 'they' should hire someone here at DU,, almost ANYBODY, to take over the job.