Why the Manafort/Gates prosecutions might drag Tad Devine in,

[pnwmom]

at least as a witness, if nothing else.

All three worked for pro-Putin Ukrainian leader Viktor Yanukovych, on whose behalf the recently charged Dutch lawyer drafted the "Scadden report." The purpose of the Scadden report was to whitewash the political prosecution of another political leader whom Yanukovych had imprisoned.

Devine has not been publicly connected to that particular situation, but both Manafort and Devine were being paid at about the same time for the same general mission: to promote the interests of Yanukovych.

http://www.shakesville.com/2017/03/the-more-information-about-manafort-we.html

To recap: Both Paul Manafort, Trump's campaign chair, and Tad Devine, Sanders' chief strategist, worked for the pro-Putin Viktor Yanukovych. Joel Benenson, Clinton's chief strategist, worked for Yanukovych's anti-Putin rival Arseniy Yatsenyuk. Yanukovych was ousted in 2014, at which time Yatsenyuk became Prime Minister, the same year that Devine goes to work for Sanders. (Manafort onboarded with the Trump campaign later.)

So, two U.S. strategists worked for a pro-Putin Ukrainian, then each went to work for U.S. presidential campaigns whose chief opponent, in both cases, was Hillary Clinton, who is virulently hated by Russian President Vladimir Putin. Then both of those campaigns are given a huge assist by Russian hacking and a massive disinformation campaign orchestrated by Russian intelligence.

Now, just to be extremely clear that I'm not suggesting a straight-up equivalence between the two campaigns, let me point out a couple of major differences.

1. Tad Devine has not been accused of any illegal activities in association with his work for Yanukovych, unlike Paul Manafort.

2. Bernie Sanders, who has visited Russia, has not been, to my knowledge, suspected of being vulnerable by Russian kompromat cultivated on his visits, unlike Donald Trump.

[Wwcd]

1. They all knew RU was in it to keep HRC from becoming Pres.

They ALL knew it.
What they did with that knowledge is what's at the heart of Mueller's investigation.

Its not the knowing, its the action after the fact.

Did they stay silent & use the knowledge to advance themselves politically or monetarily?

Did their silence equate complicity in any way.
That is the gist of the issue.

We are Standing with Mueller to bust all the players.

Is America now compromised because of that complicity, whether it was silence or self serving?
Who aided Russia's coup on our US gov't?

That is what Mueller will eventually present.

We wait for his finding.

[Me.]

2. I Wondered When His Name Was Going To Pop Up

Will we hear the words plea deal?

[Wwcd]

3. Wonder if he'll have to turn over financials.

Who paid him & how.
Inside the US or outside.
Mueller will look for all evidence of RU involvement & influence. No stone will be left unturned.

Devine has a long history with Manafort. Ukraine isn't the only country they exploited for campaign influence & money.

Here:

Check out some of the morally dubious people Devine has worked for below.

1. Manuel Zelaya

Former Honduran president Manuel Zelaya was ousted in a 2009 coup when he attempted to change the constitution in order to allow him to be re-elected. Zelaya, a friend of the late Hugo Chavez, at one point ordered Honduras’ television stations to air several two-hour segments for ten days in a row praising the government. A journalist in the country who was critical of Zelaya was murdered by gunmen. Devine worked as a strategist and media consultant on Zelaya’s 2005 campaign


2. Alejandro Toledo

Toledo was president of Peru from 2001 to 2006 during which he signed the Peru-United States Trade Promotion Agreement. Sanders in the Senate voted against the deal and said, “one of the major reasons that the middle class in the United States is shrinking, poverty is increasing and the gap between the rich and the poor is growing wider is in fact due to our disastrous, unfettered trade policy.” Devine worked on Toledo’s 2001 presidential campaign as a strategist and media consultant.

3. Buddy Cianci

Devine served as chief of staff for one of America’s most infamous mayors from 1979 to 1980. Cianci was elected as a Republican mayor of Providence in 1974 and served until 1984, when he resigned over an assault charge. Cianci was alleged to have beaten a man he suspected of sleeping with his wife. The mayor allegedly stuck a lit cigarette in the man’s eye and denied urinating on him — although no one had brought that detail up.

4. Gonzalo Sanchez de Lozada

Devine worked on Bolivian President Sanchez de Lozada’s 2002 presidential campaign as a strategist and media consultant. Lozada is currently in exile in the United States. During the “Gas Protests” in 2003 when the president militarized natural gas production in the country, 67 civilians were killed by government forces. “Whatever harm to property or persons that might be produced as an effect of fulfilling the objective of this supreme decree shall be compensated and guaranteed by the State,” de Lozada wrote in a decree.

5. Viktor Yanukovych

Yanukovych served as prime minister and president of Ukraine at different points in recent history. Devine worked as a strategist and media consultant for Yanukovych in 2006 and 2010. Yanukovych stepped down as president in 2014 when mass protests swept his country. The former prime minister lived in an opulent mansion that cost an estimated $100 million — a symbol of the corruption charges his administration faced.
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Yup. Its a good guess that with Devine's history of electioneering for profit, Mueller already suspects what Devine's purpose in 2016 was about.

Tad & Paul. Just two guys trying to making a living.

[Me.]

5. Maybe We'll Find That 10 Mil

[Wwcd]

8. To know that answer will mean revisiting the FEC campaign filing.

Think it was just abandoned & never accounted for.

Mueller will find it.

[Docreed2003]

36. As an aside on Cianci

He was and still is beloved in Providence. It was always this bizarre thing to me how this guy did such terrible crap and was still beloved. I think it was because of the things he did to help improve the city, and many folks were just willing to turn a blind eye.

I thought that he used a cigar instead of a cigarette on the guy, but you’re probably correct. I do know it was in the basement of his restaurant on Federal Hill and a arranged by some of his bodyguards who were off duty police officers.

When he died, I saw people at work literally in tears over the news of his death. It was like the pope had died or something...in our house it was a gigantic meh and we were sadder that he’d no longer be the spokesperson for our favorite maranara sauce, lol.

Thanks for sharing that info on Devine

[Wwcd]

38. Man, that's quite a story. I get the hometown guy loyalty, to a point.but

..just ignoring the severity of his actions, & not feeling a sense of doubt or betrayal does speak to the charisma we often see with legendary murders, psychopaths, or such, that often have a darker side that manages to stay hidden through much of their life.
Its the disbelief of those who thought they knew the person, until that true darker side finally emerges.

That charisma, the endearing personality is a ruse.

That's quite a story that reveals much about human nature.
Thanks for posting.

[Docreed2003]

42. It is certainly a story worthy of Scorsese

I don’t know many convicted felons who are able to run for office in a metropolitan city and be celebrated, even after the truth is exposed.

My wife and I used to see him frequently walking around Federal Hill greeting locals and kissing babies. The image conjured in my mind was a modern day version of Don Fanucci from “The Godfather 2”.

It certainly is an interesting look into the flaws of human nature.

[TheDebbieDee]

4. Maybe Tad Devine will show up on Mueller's

list of WITTING Americans that helped the Russians sway opinion before the elections?

But doesn't Devine also have a brother that was brought in for questioning several months ago?

I'm going to Google...

[Wwcd]

9. Not sure. Post it if you locate it. He may just be a relative with no ties to any of Tad's business.

Thanks

[TheDebbieDee]

20. I found a Douglas Devine that stepped down from UTAC

Holding but I don't know that they are related or why he stepped down. Oh well...

[Wwcd]

21. If its out there we'll come across it sooner or later.

Thanks

[OnDoutside]

23. Are you thinking of John Podesta's brother ?

[TheDebbieDee]

27. Could be... Did he step down from some Wall St firm?

You are right! Tony Podesta and Dem donor scandal of some sort...

Sorry, I got mixed up!

[CentralMass]

6. Welll time will tell on Ted Devines piece of tjis and i think Bernie visited Russia in 1988.

However I'll comment that the environment here is fomenting a caustic and divisive atmosphere
This tends to make people dig in their heels. It is clear that at least one faction is going to be relentless in their efforts to stir the pot. There is no shortage of history and baggage to dig up on the other camp but it would serve no productive purpose.

Let the facts come out.

[Wwcd]

7. ? This is about Manafort & Devine & their dubious history.

We have every right & duty to examine every angle of Putin's coup on our US gov't.

Where it leads is not any of our doing. We didn't create this mess & have a right to search for answers.

This isn't fake news made up here on DU to piss anyone off nor take sides.
We didn't create this mess with Russia.
We would like to know who did.

Mueller will answer that question.
I believe he's already got what he needs.

[mythology]

10. This isn't an examination

It's guilt by association and using that to cast doubt on yet another different person.

It's clearly about taking sides in my opinion.

[Wwcd]

28. Omg..stop it.

What other person?

This is about Manafort & Devine.
Only they & Mueller know how many "other persons" there will be.

[CentralMass]

15. While Sanders having visited Russia (In 1988) was thrown in to stir it up.

[George II]

33. Wasn't Devine his chief political strategist?

[Wwcd]

41. It appears Devine's main occupation in all listed dealings has been as a media strategist.

Bet there's a lot of money to be made in Media strategy.
It involves creating an "image" of a person and the more believable an image becomes to the public, the higher the price tag.
It seems Devine had many years, many opportunities to hone his craft of re-creating a beloved character from a mere lump of clay, as the saying goes.

He was quite successful with this talent.

Well, I really do hope Mueller keeps ripping the wrapper off the packaging presented us in 2015/16.
I doubt the present to America that's revealed inside will match the stunning gift that presented itself to the cheering crowds.

Look at Trump for instance. All pomp, glitz, impressive wares & bluster. Promises that everyone at his ralleys would want.
Who wouldn't!

But the shine wore off as soon as the Presidential package was revealed to be a cold cruel thief, scooping up for himself the security of American's meager existance.

I hope Mueller just tells us what's inside before he unwraps the final findings of his investigation into the coup against the United States Government & it's sovernigty.

[George II]

47. From wikipedia:

"He was also the chief strategist for Bernie Sanders' 2016 presidential campaign"

"Internationally, Devine has worked as a strategist and media consultant for the winning campaigns of Colombian President Andres Pastrana in 1998, Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak in 1999, Peruvian President Alejandro Toledo in 2001, Bolivian President Gonzalo Sanchez de Lozada in 2002, Irish Taoiseach Bertie Ahern in 1997, 2002 and 2007, Honduran President Mel Zelaya in 2005, and Ukrainian Prime Minister Viktor Yanukovich and the Party of Regions in 2006. He worked again with Yanukovich in 2009 and 2010 for his successful Presidential bid. He served as a strategist and media consultant for Ashraf Ghani's 2009 presidential campaign in Afghanistan.

Yanukovich was supported by Vladimir Putin.

There have been reports (tough to verify, though) that he made $25M on the Yanukovich campaigns.

[Wwcd]

49. Would probaly know every trick inthe book with that global resume.

Money & Media, its a lucrative business, alright.
Thanks for the revealing post George

[George II]

12. WHAT "OTHER CAMP" are you talking about?

[sheshe2]

22. Good question George.

[Eliot Rosewater]

30. has to be implying if they wanted to they could attack Hillary...but how?

Like Obama, she has zero actual scandals.

[Me.]

14. So You're Saying Devine Didn't Work With Manafort In Ukraine?

That they weren't in business together just like Manafort was with Gates who was recently indicted? Those aren't facts?

And frankly, I wonder at you tsk tsking at people are concerned about Russian interference in our election. And while you may not also like it, Senator Sanders says yes, he believes the Russians were trying to use him.

[George II]

48. ....

[sheshe2]

11. K&R

[mcar]

13. One would think so

[Gothmog]

16. K&R

[NCTraveler]

17. I hope not.

I would rather not see him mentioned, at all. Nothing more would be needed to muddy the waters. It would become republicans go-to.

[CentralMass]

18. There are all sorts of murky dealings btwn political figures past & present involving Russia money

and bribary etc..

Like this topic.
http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/355749-fbi-uncovered-russian-bribery-plot-before-obama-administration

If the Hill isn't main stream a neutral enough there are other news sources that foot the bill. I won't quote the article but it really is worth the read.

Slinging mud is like shooting fish in a barrel.

[Wwcd]

24. Who's slinging mud? We're discussing Manafort & Devine due to their history together in elections

Where that begins or ends is no one's doing but theirs.
We have a right to discuss this topic.

[George II]

32. Operative word - BEFORE! And the plot had nothing to do with the deal at all......

Yes, it's "worth the read", people will learn the difference between the Obama administration and this current administration.

Why are you digging up this stuff on "Democratic Underground". Are you equating the FBI breaking up a plot and what Manafort and Devine did?

[Cha]

19. Hillary is the answer!

Always was!

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=10263076

Mahalo, pnwmom

[Wwcd]

25. Aha..there she is. Sipping her tea, sweetened with a bit of honey

Sweet revenge. They all got together in their man cave & strategized how to destroy her.

Who's under indictment NOW, huh guys!

[Cha]

26. Ever so wise..

Wwcd!

[Wwcd]

29. mmm hmm.

[Cha]

37. hmmm

[R B Garr]

44. Yup, common target was Hillary.

Very interesting that the rhetoric against her appeared coordinated, or at least it was obvious Trump copied his attacks. We need to see Devine’s phone and tax records.

[Wwcd]

46. Wow..that would reveal all we need. Think Mueller's on it by now.

The money had to flow from somewhere, to all the players in the game.

They weren't kidding when stated that the American public would be shocked & stunned when the whole story is told someday.

We, of course will be the last to know.
Think It'll be a good day to just curl up with a blanket, good friends & a martini to celebrate the end of our nightmare. On the other hand, there wil be others wailing in disbelief that they were caught in the biggest organized criminal event in US history.

[Eliot Rosewater]

31. Surely this pic is NOT controversial around here of all places!

[Cha]

39. Nope.. the only Russian agent Hillary

met in 2016 is this one..



https://upload.democraticunderground.com/100210246905

[R B Garr]

43. lol, I love that!

So true.

[Cha]

45. Hey RB.. the link with the hattip..

goes to the OP that got 250 RECS.

[ehrnst]

35. Yep.(nt)

[ehrnst]

34. Something to think about.(nt)

[R B Garr]

40. Well, Gates used to work with Manafort and we see

what he was up to. He went with the Trump campaign.

Devine used to work with Manafort. He went with the Sanders campaign.

Both campaigns are mentioned in the Mueller indictments as receiving help from Russia. Manafort is the common denominator.

Gates just plea bargained.... Will be interesting to hear from Devine.