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If you can't drop your game in 3 then you aren't a hunter.
Ban weapons of war and then regulate the shit out of very limited capacity handguns and hunting rifles.
No "grandfather clause". They must be turned in or face severe penalties.
This isn't rocket science folks.
#GunReformNow
#GunControlNow
samir.g
(835 posts)Anyone caught with a banana-clip does hard time.
Terrorists
samir.g
(835 posts)As long as they are locked up and can't get out.
Crabby Appleton
(5,231 posts)is a "3 clip magazine" ?
SHRED
(28,136 posts)Or is a "gun-splaining" session about to take place?
Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)I'm actually for some limits on capacity, but I have no fucking idea what this is supposed to mean. It makes no sense.
SHRED
(28,136 posts)Yeah you had "no fucking idea" what I meant.
Yuck yuck yuck
Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)Holds four in the magazine.
SHRED
(28,136 posts)moriah
(8,311 posts)Instead of going into mocking mode.
Which I tried to do even if I came off as a gun-splainer.
moriah
(8,311 posts)The five capacity magazine limit for any long gun platform set in Canada and several states in the US (only for hunting, though, which shows the inanity of people sometimes -- deer have more protection than kids) means that's the smallest magazine probably available and manufactured enough to become a standard.
With handgun magazines, 7-8 is the standard size for a single stack 1911-style pistol's magazine (Kimber's cut-down to handle 9mm vs .45 ACP in that style holds 8, their .45s hold 7). I don't know what most plastic handguns come with standard, but there's probably a current standard that couldn't be exceeded we could find -- essentially, the factory magazine capacity only. I think 10 is a good number and there are probably people who shoot plastic handguns who could tell me what standard mag was on the one they bought and if a 10 limit would make it illegal from the factory.
Someone else in another post showed the huge difference between what even a .45 can do compared to a .223 cartridge fired from a rifle. We NEED rifle magazine restrictions, no doubt, and handgun magazines no larger than standard.
But we also have to look at industry standards on what would actually pass.
Edit to add: I really want us to go full Canada and require registration and background checks for ammunition purchases, and for ammunition makers to be required to serialize their casings, because ammo degrades faster than guns and while it might still take 15-20 years before everyone goes through their stockpiles, eventually controlling access to and tracking ammunition purchases, along with serialization, will make tracking of people responsible for gun crimes easier than targeting the guns themselves. Magazine limits are the *minimum* I'm willing to settle for.
Marengo
(3,477 posts)pintobean
(18,101 posts)You use the clips to keep the magazine rolled up, I think. Apparently, we're at war with puppies pooping on rugs.
moriah
(8,311 posts)... it's not helpful to the discussion.
I probably sounded like a "gun-splainer" when I went into industry standards in my response, but at least I was polite.
Marengo
(3,477 posts)An indictment of moral character. Some seem to regard their ignorance as a kind of virtue. Whenever I see this, Im reminded of similar attitudes from anti-reproductive freedom types.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)It's not difficult to know the basics. That silly subject line is available to anyone reading DU. It reflects on all of us.
bluestarone
(16,720 posts)No more than 10! and NOT FULL AUTOMATIC!!
Marengo
(3,477 posts)yagotme
(2,847 posts)Not sure if you mean semi-automatic. That won't fly, anyway. Millions and millions out in public. Many not registered.
bluestarone
(16,720 posts)yagotme
(2,847 posts)in the 1800's. With today's technology, there's no way to "no way to make them full auto". Any engineer worth his salt can take a tube and a handful of parts and make a full auto submachine gun. It's just that it is illegal to do so, and a law abiding citizen won't do that. It's the criminals we need to control.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,145 posts)Otherwise it's easy to dismiss you and your concerns. If you really, really want to play a role in setting policy, I strongly urge you and others to learn about firearms. It doesn't mean you have to buy one, shoot one or touch one. But understanding them will go a long way toward doing something that gets results, rather than just blowing off emotions. But if that's all you're aiming to do, then by all means keep at it, and don't be surprised when people who are otherwise your allies stop taking you seriously.
Calista241
(5,584 posts)And manufacturers will still have to make standard capacity magazines for law enforcement and the military.
Good luck actually enforcing these laws.
SHRED
(28,136 posts)Calista241
(5,584 posts)easily defeated / bypassed by technology.
TheSmarterDog
(794 posts)Please offer a suggestion.
Calista241
(5,584 posts)Unless you want to put 20 million people in jail for possessing a formerly 100% legal item.
I know 2 guys on my street that have 3d printers in their basements. One of them printed plastic skateboards for all the neighborhood kids. none of those skateboards have serial numbers or other identifying marks.
And you're going to make people turn in magazines, you're going to have to compensate people for them. The Constitution required "just compensation," and courts have required "fair market value" for any seized / confiscated property. It's going to be EXPENSIVE to go through a seizure exercise, when those gun owners can just 3D print an alternative in an hour or so.
TheSmarterDog
(794 posts)If you're not part of the solution, then you're part of the problem.
mac56
(17,561 posts)If they can't advance the discussion on its merits, they'll mock you for not knowing the difference between the various boom boom sticks.
SHRED
(28,136 posts)As evidenced in this thread.
I meant 3 bullets max and the gun nerds just couldn't figure that out for some reason.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)That way, you're not the only one who knows what you mean.
SHRED
(28,136 posts)I am so fucking sorry for the confusion.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)SHRED
(28,136 posts)I'm not technical enough for some.
Others know exactly what I mean.
Feign confusion I don't care.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)I'm no gun nut and I had to figure out what you were talking about. Like I said up-thread, we have these discussions often enough to know the basics. You're trying to communicate an idea here. Words matter.
SHRED
(28,136 posts)Sorry for your confusion.
ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)Three rounds is a more precise way of saying it. We could be talking about shot guns using slugs.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)Hassin Bin Sober
(26,272 posts)I mean if you are going to educate people...
pintobean
(18,101 posts)He said that he meant bullets. Go ahead and educate him.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)supporters.
SlimJimmy
(3,171 posts)I just shake my head when I read these things. Well, maybe if we protected the kids like we protect Congress people, we wouldn't have these types of shootings. Just a thought.
beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)the gun nuts have an underlying belief they may need to rise up in civil war. We need to call it for what it is....an armed community ready to kill and revolt
SHRED
(28,136 posts)In other online posts.
Didn't like the sound of it.
beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)a book that these people truly worship....called "The Turner Diaries" which covers a story of an armed uprising and civil/RACE war in america...
I know this as I have had people I know in these militias who talk too much when drinking. I also know that documents are readily available in this world of militias that show how simple it is to convert just about any "semi-automatic" assault type weapon into a full automatic military grade weapon. This is the unspoken part of the NRA and the gun nut's world.
Its scary as hell and the govt has been engaged in monitoring such activities...on the otherhand, these people have infiltrated the govt, the FBI and police forces all around america.
MineralMan
(146,192 posts)If I wasn't sure of my shot, I didn't fire at all. I had three cartridges on board, but never used more than 1. My father taught me that. "Don't shoot just to hit the deer. Shoot to kill it or don't shoot."
Apparently you know what I was saying.
Thank you.
aka-chmeee
(1,129 posts)EL34x4
(2,003 posts)The Second Amendment was not written to give Americans the right to hunt.
hunter
(38,264 posts)I don't bother with that argument.
My intent is to denormalize guns just as smoking and drunk driving were denormalized.
This can start within families and communities and the law will follow.
"Honey, we love you, but it's us or the guns."
Gun fetishes are disgusting. Gun fetishists buy most of the guns, not hunters.
I haven't heard anyone bragging about their abilities as a drunk driver for a long time. I haven't seen anyone smoking in the grocery store for a long time.
All that good metal wasted as guns and ammunition can be melted down and turned into something useful.
joshcryer
(62,265 posts)They coordinate with smart phones and GPS. Some even use drones. Hunting has long since ceased being an individual activity where a guy or two spends 10 hours every day for a three day weekend. It's pure bloodsport.
Kirk Lover
(3,608 posts)anybody's rights. If ONLY I were running shit....boy would things be different!!!!
Calculating
(2,954 posts)I suppose you're gonna show up at the door and ask for em right? Btw the 2A has NOTHING to do with hunting.
TheSmarterDog
(794 posts)But, it's basically obsolete, since we have in the 21st century a standing Army, Navy, Air Force, Marine Corps, Coast Guard & National Guard.
johnpowdy
(116 posts)LexVegas
(6,005 posts)I know what you mean and agree.