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SHRED

(28,136 posts)
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 01:48 PM Feb 2018

3 clip magazines max

If you can't drop your game in 3 then you aren't a hunter.

Ban weapons of war and then regulate the shit out of very limited capacity handguns and hunting rifles.
No "grandfather clause". They must be turned in or face severe penalties.

This isn't rocket science folks.

#GunReformNow
#GunControlNow

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3 clip magazines max (Original Post) SHRED Feb 2018 OP
Turned in for verified destruction, or felony samir.g Feb 2018 #1
Gitmo SHRED Feb 2018 #2
Gitmo, Leavenworth, whatever samir.g Feb 2018 #3
What the fuck Crabby Appleton Feb 2018 #4
Okay...you know what I mean SHRED Feb 2018 #5
Lol, I was wondering the same thing Drahthaardogs Feb 2018 #9
Yuck yuck yuck SHRED Feb 2018 #14
I really don't, considering a non-magnum bolt action rifle magazine Drahthaardogs Feb 2018 #16
I see SHRED Feb 2018 #17
Then it's probably more polite to say that it's idealistic but not practical. moriah Feb 2018 #18
It makes sense, but sadly 3 for all guns wouldn't work. moriah Feb 2018 #6
What do you define as a weapon of war? Marengo Feb 2018 #7
The kind with clips in magazines pintobean Feb 2018 #10
Look, you can mock people's terminology all you want, but... moriah Feb 2018 #13
This isnt directed at you, but equally as unhelpful is the implication that firearms knowldege is.. Marengo Feb 2018 #20
Meh, we have these discussions every couple of months. pintobean Feb 2018 #24
i feel a 10 shot clip would be a good starting point! bluestarone Feb 2018 #8
What do you mean by full automatic? Marengo Feb 2018 #11
Fully automatics have had restrictions since 1934. yagotme Feb 2018 #12
right i mean semi ONLY no way to make them fully auto bluestarone Feb 2018 #15
John M. Browning made a semi-auto rifle out of a lever action yagotme Feb 2018 #32
If you want to have a say in how something is regulated, you need to understand how it works. WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2018 #19
Magazines can be 3D printed by any number of technologies out there. Calista241 Feb 2018 #21
By "good luck" you really don't mean "good luck" it sounds SHRED Feb 2018 #25
It will be like the drug war, prohibition, or any other law that is Calista241 Feb 2018 #48
So, how would you prevent that from happening? TheSmarterDog Feb 2018 #50
I just think they're here to stay. Calista241 Feb 2018 #53
So, no suggestions then. TheSmarterDog Feb 2018 #54
Beware the gun nerds. mac56 Feb 2018 #22
I'm well aware thanks SHRED Feb 2018 #23
Then say 3 bullets when you mean 3 bullets. pintobean Feb 2018 #26
Holy shit SHRED Feb 2018 #28
I assumed you wanted to be taken seriously. pintobean Feb 2018 #33
Seriously SHRED Feb 2018 #39
Seriously pintobean Feb 2018 #41
Amazing that many understood SHRED Feb 2018 #42
Don't you mean "rounds"? ProudLib72 Feb 2018 #30
Round round we go. pintobean Feb 2018 #37
Dont you mean rounds? Bullets are the projectile portion of the round. Hmm? Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2018 #38
You'll have to ask shred pintobean Feb 2018 #44
Rounds, cartridges, bullets, suppositories. Everyone knows what he meant expect for obfuscating gun- Hoyt Feb 2018 #51
Why not just make it one round and be done with it? SlimJimmy Feb 2018 #34
not rocket science but if that was the case, even less would care beachbum bob Feb 2018 #27
Yeah I've actually just removed that sentence SHRED Feb 2018 #29
in the underground world of white militias which have MILLIONS of members across america is beachbum bob Feb 2018 #35
When hunting deer, I never used more than one shot. MineralMan Feb 2018 #31
Yep SHRED Feb 2018 #40
Confirms that both extreme ends of the bell curve have similar denizens aka-chmeee Feb 2018 #36
What does hunting have to do with anything? EL34x4 Feb 2018 #43
The second amendment is an ugly relic just like the three-fifths of a person rule. hunter Feb 2018 #45
Oh SHRED, modern "hunters" use 4-wheelers and SUVs. joshcryer Feb 2018 #46
Gun ownership database and you buy it you own it...PERIOD. Lots can be done without 'infringing' on Kirk Lover Feb 2018 #47
You want to confiscate my legally purchased items with no grandfathering huh Calculating Feb 2018 #49
Right. The 2nd Amendment is about national defense. TheSmarterDog Feb 2018 #52
Lots of "gunsplaining" in here johnpowdy Feb 2018 #55
Gunhumpers cling to semantics, I have noted. LexVegas Feb 2018 #56

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
9. Lol, I was wondering the same thing
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 03:18 PM
Feb 2018

I'm actually for some limits on capacity, but I have no fucking idea what this is supposed to mean. It makes no sense.

moriah

(8,311 posts)
18. Then it's probably more polite to say that it's idealistic but not practical.
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 03:43 PM
Feb 2018

Instead of going into mocking mode.

Which I tried to do even if I came off as a gun-splainer.

moriah

(8,311 posts)
6. It makes sense, but sadly 3 for all guns wouldn't work.
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 03:08 PM
Feb 2018

The five capacity magazine limit for any long gun platform set in Canada and several states in the US (only for hunting, though, which shows the inanity of people sometimes -- deer have more protection than kids) means that's the smallest magazine probably available and manufactured enough to become a standard.

With handgun magazines, 7-8 is the standard size for a single stack 1911-style pistol's magazine (Kimber's cut-down to handle 9mm vs .45 ACP in that style holds 8, their .45s hold 7). I don't know what most plastic handguns come with standard, but there's probably a current standard that couldn't be exceeded we could find -- essentially, the factory magazine capacity only. I think 10 is a good number and there are probably people who shoot plastic handguns who could tell me what standard mag was on the one they bought and if a 10 limit would make it illegal from the factory.

Someone else in another post showed the huge difference between what even a .45 can do compared to a .223 cartridge fired from a rifle. We NEED rifle magazine restrictions, no doubt, and handgun magazines no larger than standard.

But we also have to look at industry standards on what would actually pass.

Edit to add: I really want us to go full Canada and require registration and background checks for ammunition purchases, and for ammunition makers to be required to serialize their casings, because ammo degrades faster than guns and while it might still take 15-20 years before everyone goes through their stockpiles, eventually controlling access to and tracking ammunition purchases, along with serialization, will make tracking of people responsible for gun crimes easier than targeting the guns themselves. Magazine limits are the *minimum* I'm willing to settle for.

 

pintobean

(18,101 posts)
10. The kind with clips in magazines
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 03:21 PM
Feb 2018

You use the clips to keep the magazine rolled up, I think. Apparently, we're at war with puppies pooping on rugs.



moriah

(8,311 posts)
13. Look, you can mock people's terminology all you want, but...
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 03:33 PM
Feb 2018

... it's not helpful to the discussion.

I probably sounded like a "gun-splainer" when I went into industry standards in my response, but at least I was polite.

 

Marengo

(3,477 posts)
20. This isnt directed at you, but equally as unhelpful is the implication that firearms knowldege is..
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 03:55 PM
Feb 2018

An indictment of moral character. Some seem to regard their ignorance as a kind of virtue. Whenever I see this, I’m reminded of similar attitudes from anti-reproductive freedom types.

 

pintobean

(18,101 posts)
24. Meh, we have these discussions every couple of months.
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 04:08 PM
Feb 2018

It's not difficult to know the basics. That silly subject line is available to anyone reading DU. It reflects on all of us.

yagotme

(2,847 posts)
12. Fully automatics have had restrictions since 1934.
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 03:28 PM
Feb 2018

Not sure if you mean semi-automatic. That won't fly, anyway. Millions and millions out in public. Many not registered.

yagotme

(2,847 posts)
32. John M. Browning made a semi-auto rifle out of a lever action
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 04:20 PM
Feb 2018

in the 1800's. With today's technology, there's no way to "no way to make them full auto". Any engineer worth his salt can take a tube and a handful of parts and make a full auto submachine gun. It's just that it is illegal to do so, and a law abiding citizen won't do that. It's the criminals we need to control.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,145 posts)
19. If you want to have a say in how something is regulated, you need to understand how it works.
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 03:51 PM
Feb 2018

Otherwise it's easy to dismiss you and your concerns. If you really, really want to play a role in setting policy, I strongly urge you and others to learn about firearms. It doesn't mean you have to buy one, shoot one or touch one. But understanding them will go a long way toward doing something that gets results, rather than just blowing off emotions. But if that's all you're aiming to do, then by all means keep at it, and don't be surprised when people who are otherwise your allies stop taking you seriously.

Calista241

(5,584 posts)
21. Magazines can be 3D printed by any number of technologies out there.
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 03:55 PM
Feb 2018

And manufacturers will still have to make standard capacity magazines for law enforcement and the military.

Good luck actually enforcing these laws.

Calista241

(5,584 posts)
48. It will be like the drug war, prohibition, or any other law that is
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 10:22 PM
Feb 2018

easily defeated / bypassed by technology.

Calista241

(5,584 posts)
53. I just think they're here to stay.
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 10:55 PM
Feb 2018

Unless you want to put 20 million people in jail for possessing a formerly 100% legal item.

I know 2 guys on my street that have 3d printers in their basements. One of them printed plastic skateboards for all the neighborhood kids. none of those skateboards have serial numbers or other identifying marks.

And you're going to make people turn in magazines, you're going to have to compensate people for them. The Constitution required "just compensation," and courts have required "fair market value" for any seized / confiscated property. It's going to be EXPENSIVE to go through a seizure exercise, when those gun owners can just 3D print an alternative in an hour or so.

mac56

(17,561 posts)
22. Beware the gun nerds.
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 04:00 PM
Feb 2018

If they can't advance the discussion on its merits, they'll mock you for not knowing the difference between the various boom boom sticks.

 

SHRED

(28,136 posts)
23. I'm well aware thanks
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 04:02 PM
Feb 2018

As evidenced in this thread.

I meant 3 bullets max and the gun nerds just couldn't figure that out for some reason.

 

pintobean

(18,101 posts)
26. Then say 3 bullets when you mean 3 bullets.
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 04:12 PM
Feb 2018

That way, you're not the only one who knows what you mean.

 

SHRED

(28,136 posts)
39. Seriously
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 04:34 PM
Feb 2018

I'm not technical enough for some.
Others know exactly what I mean.

Feign confusion I don't care.



 

pintobean

(18,101 posts)
41. Seriously
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 04:47 PM
Feb 2018

I'm no gun nut and I had to figure out what you were talking about. Like I said up-thread, we have these discussions often enough to know the basics. You're trying to communicate an idea here. Words matter.

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
30. Don't you mean "rounds"?
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 04:17 PM
Feb 2018

Three rounds is a more precise way of saying it. We could be talking about shot guns using slugs.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,272 posts)
38. Dont you mean rounds? Bullets are the projectile portion of the round. Hmm?
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 04:30 PM
Feb 2018

I mean if you are going to educate people...

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
51. Rounds, cartridges, bullets, suppositories. Everyone knows what he meant expect for obfuscating gun-
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 10:36 PM
Feb 2018

supporters.

SlimJimmy

(3,171 posts)
34. Why not just make it one round and be done with it?
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 04:22 PM
Feb 2018

I just shake my head when I read these things. Well, maybe if we protected the kids like we protect Congress people, we wouldn't have these types of shootings. Just a thought.

 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
27. not rocket science but if that was the case, even less would care
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 04:13 PM
Feb 2018

the gun nuts have an underlying belief they may need to rise up in civil war. We need to call it for what it is....an armed community ready to kill and revolt

 

SHRED

(28,136 posts)
29. Yeah I've actually just removed that sentence
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 04:16 PM
Feb 2018

In other online posts.
Didn't like the sound of it.

 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
35. in the underground world of white militias which have MILLIONS of members across america is
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 04:23 PM
Feb 2018

a book that these people truly worship....called "The Turner Diaries" which covers a story of an armed uprising and civil/RACE war in america...

I know this as I have had people I know in these militias who talk too much when drinking. I also know that documents are readily available in this world of militias that show how simple it is to convert just about any "semi-automatic" assault type weapon into a full automatic military grade weapon. This is the unspoken part of the NRA and the gun nut's world.

Its scary as hell and the govt has been engaged in monitoring such activities...on the otherhand, these people have infiltrated the govt, the FBI and police forces all around america.

MineralMan

(146,192 posts)
31. When hunting deer, I never used more than one shot.
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 04:18 PM
Feb 2018

If I wasn't sure of my shot, I didn't fire at all. I had three cartridges on board, but never used more than 1. My father taught me that. "Don't shoot just to hit the deer. Shoot to kill it or don't shoot."

 

EL34x4

(2,003 posts)
43. What does hunting have to do with anything?
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 04:52 PM
Feb 2018

The Second Amendment was not written to give Americans the right to hunt.

hunter

(38,264 posts)
45. The second amendment is an ugly relic just like the three-fifths of a person rule.
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 05:27 PM
Feb 2018

I don't bother with that argument.

My intent is to denormalize guns just as smoking and drunk driving were denormalized.

This can start within families and communities and the law will follow.

"Honey, we love you, but it's us or the guns."

Gun fetishes are disgusting. Gun fetishists buy most of the guns, not hunters.

I haven't heard anyone bragging about their abilities as a drunk driver for a long time. I haven't seen anyone smoking in the grocery store for a long time.

All that good metal wasted as guns and ammunition can be melted down and turned into something useful.





joshcryer

(62,265 posts)
46. Oh SHRED, modern "hunters" use 4-wheelers and SUVs.
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 05:34 PM
Feb 2018

They coordinate with smart phones and GPS. Some even use drones. Hunting has long since ceased being an individual activity where a guy or two spends 10 hours every day for a three day weekend. It's pure bloodsport.

 

Kirk Lover

(3,608 posts)
47. Gun ownership database and you buy it you own it...PERIOD. Lots can be done without 'infringing' on
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 05:43 PM
Feb 2018

anybody's rights. If ONLY I were running shit....boy would things be different!!!!

Calculating

(2,954 posts)
49. You want to confiscate my legally purchased items with no grandfathering huh
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 10:29 PM
Feb 2018

I suppose you're gonna show up at the door and ask for em right? Btw the 2A has NOTHING to do with hunting.

 

TheSmarterDog

(794 posts)
52. Right. The 2nd Amendment is about national defense.
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 10:39 PM
Feb 2018

But, it's basically obsolete, since we have in the 21st century a standing Army, Navy, Air Force, Marine Corps, Coast Guard & National Guard.

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