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Thu Feb 22, 2018, 01:48 PM

 

3 clip magazines max

If you can't drop your game in 3 then you aren't a hunter.

Ban weapons of war and then regulate the shit out of very limited capacity handguns and hunting rifles.
No "grandfather clause". They must be turned in or face severe penalties.

This isn't rocket science folks.

#GunReformNow
#GunControlNow

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Reply 3 clip magazines max (Original post)
SHRED Feb 2018 OP
samir.g Feb 2018 #1
SHRED Feb 2018 #2
samir.g Feb 2018 #3
Crabby Appleton Feb 2018 #4
SHRED Feb 2018 #5
Drahthaardogs Feb 2018 #9
SHRED Feb 2018 #14
Drahthaardogs Feb 2018 #16
SHRED Feb 2018 #17
moriah Feb 2018 #18
moriah Feb 2018 #6
Marengo Feb 2018 #7
pintobean Feb 2018 #10
moriah Feb 2018 #13
Marengo Feb 2018 #20
pintobean Feb 2018 #24
bluestarone Feb 2018 #8
Marengo Feb 2018 #11
yagotme Feb 2018 #12
bluestarone Feb 2018 #15
yagotme Feb 2018 #32
WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2018 #19
Calista241 Feb 2018 #21
SHRED Feb 2018 #25
Calista241 Feb 2018 #48
TheSmarterDog Feb 2018 #50
Calista241 Feb 2018 #53
TheSmarterDog Feb 2018 #54
mac56 Feb 2018 #22
SHRED Feb 2018 #23
pintobean Feb 2018 #26
SHRED Feb 2018 #28
pintobean Feb 2018 #33
SHRED Feb 2018 #39
pintobean Feb 2018 #41
SHRED Feb 2018 #42
ProudLib72 Feb 2018 #30
pintobean Feb 2018 #37
Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2018 #38
pintobean Feb 2018 #44
Hoyt Feb 2018 #51
SlimJimmy Feb 2018 #34
beachbum bob Feb 2018 #27
SHRED Feb 2018 #29
beachbum bob Feb 2018 #35
MineralMan Feb 2018 #31
SHRED Feb 2018 #40
aka-chmeee Feb 2018 #36
EL34x4 Feb 2018 #43
hunter Feb 2018 #45
joshcryer Feb 2018 #46
Kirk Lover Feb 2018 #47
Calculating Feb 2018 #49
TheSmarterDog Feb 2018 #52
johnpowdy Feb 2018 #55
LexVegas Feb 2018 #56

Response to SHRED (Original post)

Thu Feb 22, 2018, 01:53 PM

1. Turned in for verified destruction, or felony

Anyone caught with a banana-clip does hard time.

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Response to samir.g (Reply #1)

Thu Feb 22, 2018, 01:56 PM

2. Gitmo

 

Terrorists

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Response to SHRED (Reply #2)

Thu Feb 22, 2018, 01:58 PM

3. Gitmo, Leavenworth, whatever

As long as they are locked up and can't get out.

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Thu Feb 22, 2018, 02:51 PM

4. What the fuck

is a "3 clip magazine" ?

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Response to Crabby Appleton (Reply #4)

Thu Feb 22, 2018, 02:55 PM

5. Okay...you know what I mean

 

Or is a "gun-splaining" session about to take place?

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Response to Crabby Appleton (Reply #4)

Thu Feb 22, 2018, 03:18 PM

9. Lol, I was wondering the same thing

I'm actually for some limits on capacity, but I have no fucking idea what this is supposed to mean. It makes no sense.

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Response to Drahthaardogs (Reply #9)

Thu Feb 22, 2018, 03:33 PM

14. Yuck yuck yuck

 

Yeah you had "no fucking idea" what I meant.

Yuck yuck yuck

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Response to SHRED (Reply #14)

Thu Feb 22, 2018, 03:41 PM

16. I really don't, considering a non-magnum bolt action rifle magazine

Holds four in the magazine.

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Response to Drahthaardogs (Reply #16)

Thu Feb 22, 2018, 03:42 PM

17. I see

 

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Response to Drahthaardogs (Reply #16)

Thu Feb 22, 2018, 03:43 PM

18. Then it's probably more polite to say that it's idealistic but not practical.

Instead of going into mocking mode.

Which I tried to do even if I came off as a gun-splainer.

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Thu Feb 22, 2018, 03:08 PM

6. It makes sense, but sadly 3 for all guns wouldn't work.

The five capacity magazine limit for any long gun platform set in Canada and several states in the US (only for hunting, though, which shows the inanity of people sometimes -- deer have more protection than kids) means that's the smallest magazine probably available and manufactured enough to become a standard.

With handgun magazines, 7-8 is the standard size for a single stack 1911-style pistol's magazine (Kimber's cut-down to handle 9mm vs .45 ACP in that style holds 8, their .45s hold 7). I don't know what most plastic handguns come with standard, but there's probably a current standard that couldn't be exceeded we could find -- essentially, the factory magazine capacity only. I think 10 is a good number and there are probably people who shoot plastic handguns who could tell me what standard mag was on the one they bought and if a 10 limit would make it illegal from the factory.

Someone else in another post showed the huge difference between what even a .45 can do compared to a .223 cartridge fired from a rifle. We NEED rifle magazine restrictions, no doubt, and handgun magazines no larger than standard.

But we also have to look at industry standards on what would actually pass.

Edit to add: I really want us to go full Canada and require registration and background checks for ammunition purchases, and for ammunition makers to be required to serialize their casings, because ammo degrades faster than guns and while it might still take 15-20 years before everyone goes through their stockpiles, eventually controlling access to and tracking ammunition purchases, along with serialization, will make tracking of people responsible for gun crimes easier than targeting the guns themselves. Magazine limits are the *minimum* I'm willing to settle for.

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Thu Feb 22, 2018, 03:17 PM

7. What do you define as a weapon of war?

 

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Response to Marengo (Reply #7)

Thu Feb 22, 2018, 03:21 PM

10. The kind with clips in magazines

 

You use the clips to keep the magazine rolled up, I think. Apparently, we're at war with puppies pooping on rugs.



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Response to pintobean (Reply #10)

Thu Feb 22, 2018, 03:33 PM

13. Look, you can mock people's terminology all you want, but...

... it's not helpful to the discussion.

I probably sounded like a "gun-splainer" when I went into industry standards in my response, but at least I was polite.

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Response to moriah (Reply #13)

Thu Feb 22, 2018, 03:55 PM

20. This isnt directed at you, but equally as unhelpful is the implication that firearms knowldege is..

 

An indictment of moral character. Some seem to regard their ignorance as a kind of virtue. Whenever I see this, Iím reminded of similar attitudes from anti-reproductive freedom types.

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Response to moriah (Reply #13)

Thu Feb 22, 2018, 04:08 PM

24. Meh, we have these discussions every couple of months.

 

It's not difficult to know the basics. That silly subject line is available to anyone reading DU. It reflects on all of us.

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Thu Feb 22, 2018, 03:18 PM

8. i feel a 10 shot clip would be a good starting point!

No more than 10! and NOT FULL AUTOMATIC!!

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Response to bluestarone (Reply #8)

Thu Feb 22, 2018, 03:24 PM

11. What do you mean by full automatic?

 

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Response to bluestarone (Reply #8)

Thu Feb 22, 2018, 03:28 PM

12. Fully automatics have had restrictions since 1934.

Not sure if you mean semi-automatic. That won't fly, anyway. Millions and millions out in public. Many not registered.

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Response to yagotme (Reply #12)

Thu Feb 22, 2018, 03:38 PM

15. right i mean semi ONLY no way to make them fully auto

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Response to bluestarone (Reply #15)

Thu Feb 22, 2018, 04:20 PM

32. John M. Browning made a semi-auto rifle out of a lever action

in the 1800's. With today's technology, there's no way to "no way to make them full auto". Any engineer worth his salt can take a tube and a handful of parts and make a full auto submachine gun. It's just that it is illegal to do so, and a law abiding citizen won't do that. It's the criminals we need to control.

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Thu Feb 22, 2018, 03:51 PM

19. If you want to have a say in how something is regulated, you need to understand how it works.

Otherwise it's easy to dismiss you and your concerns. If you really, really want to play a role in setting policy, I strongly urge you and others to learn about firearms. It doesn't mean you have to buy one, shoot one or touch one. But understanding them will go a long way toward doing something that gets results, rather than just blowing off emotions. But if that's all you're aiming to do, then by all means keep at it, and don't be surprised when people who are otherwise your allies stop taking you seriously.

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Thu Feb 22, 2018, 03:55 PM

21. Magazines can be 3D printed by any number of technologies out there.

And manufacturers will still have to make standard capacity magazines for law enforcement and the military.

Good luck actually enforcing these laws.

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Response to Calista241 (Reply #21)

Thu Feb 22, 2018, 04:11 PM

25. By "good luck" you really don't mean "good luck" it sounds

 

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Response to SHRED (Reply #25)

Thu Feb 22, 2018, 10:22 PM

48. It will be like the drug war, prohibition, or any other law that is

easily defeated / bypassed by technology.

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Response to Calista241 (Reply #21)

Thu Feb 22, 2018, 10:33 PM

50. So, how would you prevent that from happening?

 

Please offer a suggestion.

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Response to TheSmarterDog (Reply #50)

Thu Feb 22, 2018, 10:55 PM

53. I just think they're here to stay.

Unless you want to put 20 million people in jail for possessing a formerly 100% legal item.

I know 2 guys on my street that have 3d printers in their basements. One of them printed plastic skateboards for all the neighborhood kids. none of those skateboards have serial numbers or other identifying marks.

And you're going to make people turn in magazines, you're going to have to compensate people for them. The Constitution required "just compensation," and courts have required "fair market value" for any seized / confiscated property. It's going to be EXPENSIVE to go through a seizure exercise, when those gun owners can just 3D print an alternative in an hour or so.

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Response to Calista241 (Reply #53)

Thu Feb 22, 2018, 10:59 PM

54. So, no suggestions then.

 

If you're not part of the solution, then you're part of the problem.

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Thu Feb 22, 2018, 04:00 PM

22. Beware the gun nerds.

If they can't advance the discussion on its merits, they'll mock you for not knowing the difference between the various boom boom sticks.

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Response to mac56 (Reply #22)

Thu Feb 22, 2018, 04:02 PM

23. I'm well aware thanks

 

As evidenced in this thread.

I meant 3 bullets max and the gun nerds just couldn't figure that out for some reason.

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Response to SHRED (Reply #23)

Thu Feb 22, 2018, 04:12 PM

26. Then say 3 bullets when you mean 3 bullets.

 

That way, you're not the only one who knows what you mean.

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Response to pintobean (Reply #26)

Thu Feb 22, 2018, 04:13 PM

28. Holy shit

 

I am so fucking sorry for the confusion.

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Response to SHRED (Reply #28)

Thu Feb 22, 2018, 04:21 PM

33. I assumed you wanted to be taken seriously.

 

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Response to pintobean (Reply #33)

Thu Feb 22, 2018, 04:34 PM

39. Seriously

 

I'm not technical enough for some.
Others know exactly what I mean.

Feign confusion I don't care.



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Response to SHRED (Reply #39)

Thu Feb 22, 2018, 04:47 PM

41. Seriously

 

I'm no gun nut and I had to figure out what you were talking about. Like I said up-thread, we have these discussions often enough to know the basics. You're trying to communicate an idea here. Words matter.

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Response to pintobean (Reply #41)

Thu Feb 22, 2018, 04:48 PM

42. Amazing that many understood

 

Sorry for your confusion.

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Response to pintobean (Reply #26)

Thu Feb 22, 2018, 04:17 PM

30. Don't you mean "rounds"?

Three rounds is a more precise way of saying it. We could be talking about shot guns using slugs.

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Response to ProudLib72 (Reply #30)

Thu Feb 22, 2018, 04:29 PM

37. Round round we go.

 

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Response to pintobean (Reply #26)

Thu Feb 22, 2018, 04:30 PM

38. Dont you mean rounds? Bullets are the projectile portion of the round. Hmm?

I mean if you are going to educate people...

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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #38)

Thu Feb 22, 2018, 04:55 PM

44. You'll have to ask shred

 

He said that he meant bullets. Go ahead and educate him.

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Response to pintobean (Reply #44)

Thu Feb 22, 2018, 10:36 PM

51. Rounds, cartridges, bullets, suppositories. Everyone knows what he meant expect for obfuscating gun-

supporters.

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Response to SHRED (Reply #23)

Thu Feb 22, 2018, 04:22 PM

34. Why not just make it one round and be done with it?

I just shake my head when I read these things. Well, maybe if we protected the kids like we protect Congress people, we wouldn't have these types of shootings. Just a thought.

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Thu Feb 22, 2018, 04:13 PM

27. not rocket science but if that was the case, even less would care

 

the gun nuts have an underlying belief they may need to rise up in civil war. We need to call it for what it is....an armed community ready to kill and revolt

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Response to beachbum bob (Reply #27)

Thu Feb 22, 2018, 04:16 PM

29. Yeah I've actually just removed that sentence

 

In other online posts.
Didn't like the sound of it.

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Response to SHRED (Reply #29)

Thu Feb 22, 2018, 04:23 PM

35. in the underground world of white militias which have MILLIONS of members across america is

 

a book that these people truly worship....called "The Turner Diaries" which covers a story of an armed uprising and civil/RACE war in america...

I know this as I have had people I know in these militias who talk too much when drinking. I also know that documents are readily available in this world of militias that show how simple it is to convert just about any "semi-automatic" assault type weapon into a full automatic military grade weapon. This is the unspoken part of the NRA and the gun nut's world.

Its scary as hell and the govt has been engaged in monitoring such activities...on the otherhand, these people have infiltrated the govt, the FBI and police forces all around america.

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Thu Feb 22, 2018, 04:18 PM

31. When hunting deer, I never used more than one shot.

If I wasn't sure of my shot, I didn't fire at all. I had three cartridges on board, but never used more than 1. My father taught me that. "Don't shoot just to hit the deer. Shoot to kill it or don't shoot."

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #31)

Thu Feb 22, 2018, 04:44 PM

40. Yep

 

Apparently you know what I was saying.
Thank you.

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Thu Feb 22, 2018, 04:25 PM

36. Confirms that both extreme ends of the bell curve have similar denizens

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Thu Feb 22, 2018, 04:52 PM

43. What does hunting have to do with anything?

 

The Second Amendment was not written to give Americans the right to hunt.

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Response to EL34x4 (Reply #43)

Thu Feb 22, 2018, 05:27 PM

45. The second amendment is an ugly relic just like the three-fifths of a person rule.

I don't bother with that argument.

My intent is to denormalize guns just as smoking and drunk driving were denormalized.

This can start within families and communities and the law will follow.

"Honey, we love you, but it's us or the guns."

Gun fetishes are disgusting. Gun fetishists buy most of the guns, not hunters.

I haven't heard anyone bragging about their abilities as a drunk driver for a long time. I haven't seen anyone smoking in the grocery store for a long time.

All that good metal wasted as guns and ammunition can be melted down and turned into something useful.





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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Thu Feb 22, 2018, 05:34 PM

46. Oh SHRED, modern "hunters" use 4-wheelers and SUVs.

They coordinate with smart phones and GPS. Some even use drones. Hunting has long since ceased being an individual activity where a guy or two spends 10 hours every day for a three day weekend. It's pure bloodsport.

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Thu Feb 22, 2018, 05:43 PM

47. Gun ownership database and you buy it you own it...PERIOD. Lots can be done without 'infringing' on

 

anybody's rights. If ONLY I were running shit....boy would things be different!!!!

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Thu Feb 22, 2018, 10:29 PM

49. You want to confiscate my legally purchased items with no grandfathering huh

I suppose you're gonna show up at the door and ask for em right? Btw the 2A has NOTHING to do with hunting.

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Response to Calculating (Reply #49)

Thu Feb 22, 2018, 10:39 PM

52. Right. The 2nd Amendment is about national defense.

 

But, it's basically obsolete, since we have in the 21st century a standing Army, Navy, Air Force, Marine Corps, Coast Guard & National Guard.

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Thu Feb 22, 2018, 11:36 PM

55. Lots of "gunsplaining" in here

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Thu Feb 22, 2018, 11:43 PM

56. Gunhumpers cling to semantics, I have noted.

I know what you mean and agree.

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