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MelissaB

(16,420 posts)
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 06:45 PM Feb 2018

Rick Wilson: Here's why Paul Manafort doesn't flip and squeal

1/ Here's why Paul Manafort doesn't flip and squeal: there's a tiny % chance Trump pardons him for the Federal crimes. (Doesn't fix state charges that can hit in NY, VA, FL)



2/ But if Manafort rolls and starts talking about the Trump campaign, Russia, Russian oligarchs and Vladimir Putin, there's close to a 100% he dies a painful death by polonium poisoning.

3/ The calculus is pretty stark. The immovable object of Manafort's fear has met the irresistible force of Mueller's investigation.


4/ As a periodic reminder: there is no difference between what RU/RIS, ROC, and oligarchs can deploy against Manafort. It's all of a piece. A radioactive, deadly piece.

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Rick Wilson: Here's why Paul Manafort doesn't flip and squeal (Original Post) MelissaB Feb 2018 OP
It's the million dollar question bearsfootball516 Feb 2018 #1
"We can get you with SOUP." Miles Archer Feb 2018 #2
HMMM...life in Fed Prison BigmanPigman Feb 2018 #3
Then why isn't he dead yet? lame54 Feb 2018 #4
From someone who knows more than I do... MelissaB Feb 2018 #7
If we had a president that would take retaliatory action against them, then yes. briv1016 Feb 2018 #23
Right now it is, yes. But "right now" doesn't last forever. Rainbow Droid Feb 2018 #24
Is there a case against 45 if Manafort doesn't flip? AJT Feb 2018 #5
Maybe...but Manafort probably provides a clear, direct link. bearsfootball516 Feb 2018 #6
Probably is. But it might involve giving up "sources and methods" pnwmom Feb 2018 #16
Manafort also has two children. njhoneybadger Feb 2018 #8
Don't think the state charges will result in conviction because there will be at least one trump Hoyt Feb 2018 #9
not in NYC grantcart Feb 2018 #10
We all know what a disloyal, vindictive asshole Trump is. smirkymonkey Feb 2018 #11
Exactly my thoughts MaryMagdaline Feb 2018 #12
Playing devil's advocate: why would Putin care? yardwork Feb 2018 #13
He would care if Manafort turned state's evidence against Trump. n/t pnwmom Feb 2018 #17
Why? Behind Trump is Pence, and then Ryan. yardwork Feb 2018 #18
Manafort pushed Pence on Trump, who wanted Chris Christie. pnwmom Feb 2018 #19
Putin wants the sanctions lifted, and he wants the U.S. weakened. That's all. yardwork Feb 2018 #20
Putin wants to protect his other Russian assets Yavin4 Feb 2018 #21
K & R Duppers Feb 2018 #14
KnR Hekate Feb 2018 #15
It's not what Manafort knows about Trump that bothers Putin Mr. Ected Feb 2018 #22
I'll ask it again... lame54 Feb 2018 #25
Maybe he's got something on somebody FakeNoose Feb 2018 #27
Yeah, because I would think less of Manafort then lame54 Feb 2018 #28
Hed better get any pardon promise in writing, notarized, signed in blood in front of five witnesses EffieBlack Feb 2018 #26
With all these Manafort indictments... Satch59 Feb 2018 #29
This is the point in the movie Docreed2003 Feb 2018 #30
Putin will do the same to frump, so frump will bury manafort for a deal. lindysalsagal Feb 2018 #31

bearsfootball516

(6,373 posts)
1. It's the million dollar question
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 06:47 PM
Feb 2018

Which do you fear more, a lifetime in jail, or knowing you'll be dead by the end of the year if you squeal.

Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
2. "We can get you with SOUP."
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 06:48 PM
Feb 2018

The classic Bill Murray line, spoken to Robert DeNiro in "Mad Dog & Glory."

Manafort has every reason to be more frightened of Russia than he is of Trump.

BigmanPigman

(51,560 posts)
3. HMMM...life in Fed Prison
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 06:48 PM
Feb 2018

or death via Putin? He made his bed...the fucking, greedy traitor. Couldn't happen to a more deserving guy.

MelissaB

(16,420 posts)
7. From someone who knows more than I do...
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 06:54 PM
Feb 2018
Let me amp this. Killing an American in the USA would be a very rare thing for Moscow. But this is a very rare case.

briv1016

(1,570 posts)
23. If we had a president that would take retaliatory action against them, then yes.
Fri Feb 23, 2018, 08:25 AM
Feb 2018

Right now its open season.

bearsfootball516

(6,373 posts)
6. Maybe...but Manafort probably provides a clear, direct link.
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 06:51 PM
Feb 2018

Without him, it gets a lot harder. That's why Mueller is trying so hard to flip him.

pnwmom

(108,953 posts)
16. Probably is. But it might involve giving up "sources and methods"
Fri Feb 23, 2018, 03:13 AM
Feb 2018

that they'd rather not give up, if they can use people like Manafort and Gates instead.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
9. Don't think the state charges will result in conviction because there will be at least one trump
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 07:07 PM
Feb 2018

believer on every jury, maybe a lot more than one.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
11. We all know what a disloyal, vindictive asshole Trump is.
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 07:53 PM
Feb 2018

He would leave him to rot in jail just because that's the kind of guy he is. Still, I suppose it beats being on Putin's hit list.

yardwork

(61,533 posts)
13. Playing devil's advocate: why would Putin care?
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 07:58 PM
Feb 2018

Putin doesn't care about legal actions in the U.S.

Putin DOES care if he loses the White House and Congress. Can Mueller's investigation affect the election? I think Putin thinks he's got that under control.

I think that Manafort and Gates are holding out because they hope to beat all the charges and live to make a lot more money. They're all narcissists.

pnwmom

(108,953 posts)
19. Manafort pushed Pence on Trump, who wanted Chris Christie.
Fri Feb 23, 2018, 08:15 AM
Feb 2018

So I won't be surprised if Pence goes down, too.I think he knew about Flynn all along

In any case, neither Pence nor Paul Ryan is Svengali, unlike DT. If DT gets pushed out his fan club won't love the replacement.

Yavin4

(35,415 posts)
21. Putin wants to protect his other Russian assets
Fri Feb 23, 2018, 08:20 AM
Feb 2018

He doesn't care about Trump, but he does care about other Russians that Manafort knows. Manafort was planted in the Trump campaign to pay off his debts. Who planted him? That's who Putin wants to protect.

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
22. It's not what Manafort knows about Trump that bothers Putin
Fri Feb 23, 2018, 08:25 AM
Feb 2018

It's what he might tell investigators about his role in propping up Viktor Yanukovych that Putin would prefer to keep mum.

lame54

(35,259 posts)
25. I'll ask it again...
Fri Feb 23, 2018, 05:51 PM
Feb 2018

Why isn't he dead yet?

If it's an inevitability it would be done by now

doesn't make sense to wait for him to talk - then strike

FakeNoose

(32,556 posts)
27. Maybe he's got something on somebody
Fri Feb 23, 2018, 05:59 PM
Feb 2018

For one thing, the oligarchs trust Manafort with $millions and they want their money back. If they kill him they'll probably never see their money. But maybe he's playing the same kompromat game that Putin plays?

Kompromat wouldn't help him against the American judicial system but it might save him from an unsavory Putin-style demise. If he's got a "pee tape" or something similar he could threaten to have it released upon his death.

Just sayin'

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
26. Hed better get any pardon promise in writing, notarized, signed in blood in front of five witnesses
Fri Feb 23, 2018, 05:52 PM
Feb 2018

Trump isn’t particularly good with loyalty or keeping his promises.

Satch59

(1,353 posts)
29. With all these Manafort indictments...
Fri Feb 23, 2018, 06:03 PM
Feb 2018

Mueller is putting pressure on him to flip but isn't it also setting up an obvious connection to this all if Trump pardons him? Seems pretty genius move by Mueller...

lindysalsagal

(20,564 posts)
31. Putin will do the same to frump, so frump will bury manafort for a deal.
Fri Feb 23, 2018, 06:13 PM
Feb 2018

If Putin can get to manafort, he can get to frump, and the kids.

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