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[hedgehog]

1. If the man has a drinking and/or anger problem, it won't stay a secret for long.

Get those cell phone cameras handy, folks!

[The Wielding Truth]

57. I would hope that someone with a cell phone got this on video.

[rocktivity]

65. In a way, I HOPE he has a a drinking problem

If he was uncontrollably angry at Democrats, that would be understandable, LOL! The alternative would be his being unhinged.


rocktivity

[BeHereNow]

2. Beautiful Pachamama! Where you been?????

Haven't seen you here for ages!~

Oh how I hope this story goes viral!



BHN

[PDJane]

3. Wow. Just........wow.

[ailsagirl]

77. Ditto... amazing

[Scuba]

4. Please, please, please get that woman to press charges!

[Panasonic]

7. Yup. Felony assault

by the looks of it.

And he should be indicted immediately, and placed under arrest in full view of the Congress.

Make example out of him.

[nadinbrzezinski]

5. First bump was accidental

that was rude, but it happens.

The second one was assault.

Somebody charge the jerk!

[Frustratedlady]

6. Paul Ran or Paul Ryan?

Oh, please...let it be Ryan, let it be Ryan. The Paul Ryan we all hate.

[Pachamama]

9. Ryan....

Yes, that one.

[Frustratedlady]

11. Oh, I love it!

What could have happened to make him yell "Democrats?" The tax vote?

You made my day. Thanks!

I hope she presses charges.

[barbtries]

8. wow

she should press charges. get him gone from public life. sounds like there were plenty of witnesses

[BeHereNow]

14. Ha! I just posted the same thing!

Sounds like she has grounds to file for assault, at the very least.
BHN

[undeterred]

10. He was probably channeling Ayn Rand.

[freshwest]

20. No doubt about that.

[annabanana]

12. If he's THAT twitchy around Democrats.. What the hell

was he doing at Martha's Vineyard anyway?

[Pachamama]

15. Apparantely attending a wedding...

And it was witnessed by at least a dozen people including someone who is related to the Kennedy's...

Stay tuned...

Paging the Obama campaign and someone might want to let old Mittens know that this guy is a walking disaster ala Sarah Palin....

On second thought - let Mittens choose him as a Veep...the new crashcart....

[Gman]

72. Please don't say a word until

He's already the VP pick. THEN let the world know!

[awoke_in_2003]

42. That is like complaining about Catholics...

In Vatican City

[BeHereNow]

13. She should file an assault charge- plenty of witnesses.

I hope she does press charges.
BHN

[Pachamama]

17. My sources are telling me she is being advised of such....

Police there in Edgartown know and its being currently handled as a Jane Doe report...

[freshwest]

22. Thank you, we need to get this creature out of the government, for all our sakes.

[Solomon]

16. Oh please file charges. please.

Do it for America. For all of us. 'Cause that's what he's doing. Assaulting America. Assaulting all of us.

[Gregorian]

18. These people are dangerously unregulated.

I don't know how else to say it better.

Assault charges would do the guy a lot of good. He needs to grow up. If you're a witness, it may not be a good idea to post about it.

[kentuck]

19. Has this been verified?

If it is true, it is a very big story.

[Pachamama]

23. My hope is it will be soon....

...if any astute media folks are paying attention and seeing these posts, i suggest they start making some calls and investigating....

I saw this with my own two eyes....

[lumberjack_jeff]

24. My suggestion: don't wait for them to see these posts.

I suggest getting in touch with this guy
http://www.jsonline.com/watchdog/

[Pachamama]

28. Can someone email him please?

Lead him to this post thread....

[lumberjack_jeff]

30. Done. n/t

[BeHereNow]

33. Done.

Just sent him the link along with a paste of your post.
We'll see what happens.
It is hard to expose people of his position.
I'm feeling very "Martha Mitchell" right now.



BHN

[Scuba]

46. The Urinal / Sentinel? How about Mike Tate instead....

... I called the Urinal hot line when Fitzgerald went on Fox and admitted the voter ID law was to beat Obama. The guy on that end yawned and hung up on me.

[nadinbrzezinski]

25. Clear on the other side of the country

or I would... now if you see Daryl Issa... let me know!

True story, during the TTP meetings, since Daryl threatened to attend, I had Occupiers, with cameras, on standbye.

But Paul Ryan, way, and I mean WAAAYYYYY out of our area of coverage, by a few states. But I will send it over to editor, see if she knows who could or would.

[elleng]

27. Good idea, and thanks.

[aggiesal]

29. Some Milwaukee reporter? n/t

[hue]

21. This is what we are plagued with!! One of our many sociopathic "leaders"!

Making Ayn Rand proud!!

[elleng]

26. HOLY CRAP!

[riverwalker]

31. send tip to TMZ

http://www.tmz.com/tips/

[mrmpa]

32. Just tweeted it..........eom

[sakabatou]

34. I knew he was a scumbag

But this? Wow.

[C_U_L8R]

35. The Boston Globe

If anyone has a contact... I'm sure they'd be interested

[ibegurpard]

36. I have a hard time believing this

you don't get far as he has in politics if you're that unable to control yourself.

[BeHereNow]

39. True, but we have no idea what preceded his alleged rampage...

Something obviously set him off BEFORE his encounter with the woman
on the steps. Sounds like he was in full blown rage attack before the "incident."

I do hope some investigative journalists are on the story by now.

BHN

[onenote]

59. We have no evidence that it was him

apart from "someone" saying it was.

That's pretty thin stuff. Particularly since Ryan was in DC, voting, until at least 7 pm last night and back on the floor this morning voting again (and the House didn't adjourn last night until 10, although he could have left after the last vote).

Need some more facts before I'm buying this.

[abelenkpe]

37. Democrats?

So he wouldn't have treated a nondemocrat in the same way?

[sulphurdunn]

38. Get some corraboration

on this and it'll be sayonara for Rep. Ryan. Couldn't happen to a more deserving asshole.

[FourScore]

40. If it's true, it's shocking on so many levels:

The rudeness, the potential to do the woman bodily harm, the arrogance, and the sheer stupidity -- everyone knows who he is and it's hard to believe he would act this way in public.

But at this point it's only heresay. Therefore, it contains no real value.

[allan01]

41. re:Last night someone named Paul Ryan showed what kind of man he is....

what an alpha hotel. who the heck does he think he is ? this kind of behaviour from a us senator. I agree with some of the folk on this thread, that i hope that his happless victom will press charges .

[yourout]

44. He is in the House....not the Senate.

Either way he is asshole to the core.

One of many blights on my state I am sad to say.

[tritsofme]

43. I remain respectfully skeptical.

Not that you witnessed the incident, but that it was actually Paul Ryan.

If this turns out to be true and charges are filed, it would certainly seem to be curtains for Mr. Ryan.

[Motown_Johnny]

45. If that place has security cameras ......

[BeHereNow]

48. You would think they would. If so, and he is identifiable as the individual who did this...

We shall celebrate!



It would certainly rid the stage of one of the larger cockroaches in the House.

BHN

[Motown_Johnny]

50. It could be worth more than one seat since so many would defend him

[Scuba]

47. Oh yeah, here's the alternative. All support appreciated.

http://www.robzerban.com

[JNelson6563]

49. Thug.

Re Thug licans.

[CTyankee]

52. WHAT? Ryan in Martha's Vineyard?

I go there every summer and have never encountered even a mild mannered, old school New England Republican there. I am shocked that Ryan would be there!

It is INDEED full of Democrats, me and my family members included! What do they think, they can OWN that place?

Why do they go there if they think it is so in hospitable to them? Let them leave. It is too crowded to begin with, so they could reduce the surplus population by staying home.

Doesn't Paul Ryan have nice places to go in Wisconsin? Door County is one. Why doesn't he go there? Is it "too democratic" for him there? Maybe so, because I know plenty of good Dems who are there (hubby is a native of the badger state).

MV is a gentle (if impossibly expensive) place. It is also beautiful. Please leave these folks alone, Ryan. Do your own right wing thing somewhere else...where people expect brutal treatment from other Republicans...not the beautiful Vineyard, which has done you no harm...

[BeHereNow]

54. It was mentioned up thread that he was attending a wedding.

Until there is a media (ha-ha) report, we may never know.
I completely trust Pachamama- I believe she told us what she saw with her
own eyes.

What remains to be seen is if there will be a media black out,
should he be the person who was identified be another witness.

We shall see.

BHN

[CTyankee]

56. oh I don't doubt pachamama at all. I'm sure that was a correct report. I was just wondering

what the hell he was doing there.

Since it is a bit of a schlep to get to MV (a long trip up to either RI for a catamaran that can make you lose your breakfast or a longer trip up to Woods Hole for a quiet ride across), drop off in Vineyard Haven or Oak Bluffs and a need for a ride or bus to Edgartown (I think that's where the episode happened) it is a real triparoo, even if you are in New England as I am. If I didn't stay with family for a week or so I wouldn't want to do it, even tho I love it as a place a LOT...

[onenote]

60. Sorry. I don't doubt that some jerk assaulted a woman or that someone says it was Ryan, but

the fact is that Ryan was on the floor of the House casting recorded votes until at least 7 pm last night and on the floor of the House this morning casting votes.

Which doesn't fit into the story that he was attending a wedding (on a Wednesday night?)

Sorry, but the folks buying into this story better be prepared to be disappointed.

[rocktivity]

66. Who said the wedding was Wednesday night?

Maybe he was in town for a wedding WEEKEND -- and it sure sounds like he needed a little vacation time!

However, it would help if Pachamama told us exactly what time this took place.


rocktivity

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

68. The OP says it was "last night"

which would mean Wednesday.

I'm a little skeptical that it was Paul Ryan. Likely just someone who bears a resemblance.

[rocktivity]

71. Which makes the TIME of the incident important

If he left DC at 7PM, he could have been in MV by ten, and having outstayed his welcome, high-tailed it out of town in plenty of time to back in DC by 11AM.


rocktivity

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

74. Massively unlikely...

If he voted at 7:00, he didn't leave DC before 8:00. His best chance to get to Martha's Vineyard would be to connect to Logan, and frankly, even if there WAS a flight at that time of the night (again, massively unlikely) it wouldn't put him in Martha's Vineyard until nearly midnight.

And then he shoved someone and jumped on the next flight back to DC for morning Roll Call?

I don't doubt that the individuals saw WHAT she saw, just that they saw WHO they saw.

[onenote]

82. The time is important since the restaurant's website says it closes at 10:30

The timeline isn't adding up or is the "wedding" story.

I'm not blaming the OP here for anything other than being too quick to accept some anonymous person's claim that the guy in this incident was Ryan. Something that a lot of others on this thread are are guilty of doing.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

84. Yes....

There's no way this was Ryan. And here in Milwaukee, I've had a front-row seat to watch George McFly's political career unfold, and I've never head anybody say that he's a hard drinker, physically confrontational, or anything like that. He's a dipshit, but he's a fairly polite dipshit.

[Pachamama]

86. Restaurant kitchen closes at 10:30....bar doesnt....lots if people there right now....just there

....people sitting on porch and walking around - cute boutique place for the wealthy to hang...

Boy, you really are hell bent on debunking this arent you?

[onenote]

87. I'm hellbent to keep this place from embarassing itself, yes.

[Pachamama]

91. Good - then we share that in common...

Love DU and it has members and people who have for years seen things and posted things weeks, months before others in the media or blogsphere caught on.

I just couldnt believe what we saw. Thats why i posted. Debunk away. But i also hope someone follows up, knows some police etc and can find out if it was Ryan....

[rocktivity]

53. Is this the man you saw? Did you see his face at all?

[center][/center]
And you do mean to say that you saw him DELIBERATELY push (with his hand or arm) or shove (with his shoulder or torso) the woman hard enough to send her flying?


rocktivity

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

67. Sweet Jesus! I was Darren from "Bewitched"

Can't figure out which one, though...

[montanacowboy]

55. This needs to be emailed to every news outlet

I want to see this on the news tomorrow

This is BIG and if I was that woman believe me I would sue that sonofabitch for everything he has

He is one sick MF

[onenote]

58. Paul Ryan of Wisconsin was on the floor of the House until at least 7 pm last night

and back on the floor of the House at 11 this morning.

He cast a recorded vote at 6:55 pm on the last roll call of the evening. The House remained in session for three more hours, adjourning at ten pm. Maybe Ryan left immedately after the vote, got from the House to an airport and made it to Martha's Vineyard in time to be involved in this event (keeping in mind that it takes around 2 hours to fly from DC to MV and that it takes time to get to and from the airports,

but... under the circumstances and based on nothing more than "someone" saying that the guy involved was Ryan...

well, I'd be pretty skeptical, something that virtually no one else in this thread seems to be.

I'd be wary of making fools of ourselves on this one.

BTW, what time did this incident occur?

[BeHereNow]

63. Good investigative work onenote...

It does seem quite unlikely that any politician would do something like this in the public eye.
Perhaps the person who said it was him was mistaken; perhaps it was someone who looked like him.
Time will tell-
I would think an investigation is under way, who ever the perp was.

I have no doubt that Pachamama described what she saw accurately-
what remains to be seen is confirmation of what a bystander said.

What you report does make it seem highly unlikely that Ryan was there, given his
recorded vote at that time.

I'm going to be watching for any any new developments, that is for sure.



BHN

[Jack Sprat]

69. That story sounds unbelievable regardless

of whom the guy was. No one in their right mind behaves this way in public. It's inconceivable. If this story was true, I'd eat my hat.

[Pachamama]

83. It happened after 10pm last night...

Plenty of flights in on small planes to MVY from DCA....as well as out in morning...

I know what i witnessed. Others witnessed it too - including an off- duty boston police officer who came over and another person mentioned it was Edwin Schlossberg on porch.

Maybe it was someone that looked like him? But it was a look-alike and pretty serious.

[onenote]

85. And why was he there again? A wedding?

That he arrived for around 10 pm on Wednesday and left again at first light on Thursday?

I don't doubt for a minute that you saw what you say. What I doubt is the claim by the anonymous "someone" that the guy was Paul Ryan.

[Pachamama]

89. Maybe Mr Ryan was asked to leave? Maybe after that incident, it was a better idea for him to leave?

I have no idea... I do know that credible people saw what happened and I was there too.

The person who was in our group said it was a Mr Schlossberg that identified him orally even to the woman and others as "you know who that was dont you....Rep Ryan of WI"...

If this is what happened (and we werent all punked and this woman was a paid actress) then isnt it possible that Mr Ryan got the hell out of here fast???? Just sayin...if he is on the short list for Veep, id say he wouldnt want to be around long....

I sure as heck have to say that i hope some one checks this out....

[onenote]

92. Leave what? The "wedding"?

Again, under the best of circumstances (and they're a stretch), for this story to be true (at least that part of it that says it was Paul Ryan), he would have had to rush out immediately after casting a vote on the floor of the House at 7 pm, gotten to a car, gotten through traffic to National (and, yes, there is still traffic at that hour), gotten from the car to a plane, flown to MV, gotten out of the plane and into a car, and driven to the Hotel/Restaurant in time for this incident to have occurred sometime "after 10". Is it theoretically possible? Sure. Is it likely? Not in the slightest. Plus, why he was there is important since we also know that he was in DC, on the floor of the House, casting votes, at 11 AM this morning. To get back to DC from MV to that he'd have to do the reverse of his three hour or so trip starting at 8 am. So why exactly would he have come to MV at or after 10 pm only to turn around and leave at or before 8 AM? For a wedding? That he was thrown out of (which means by the time the incident occurred he would have had to have been around long enough to have made some sort of scene). It just doesn't pass the reality test.

But let me be clear. I'm not saying you didn't see what you saw or hear what you heard. It didn't have to be a "paid actress". Indeed, that's even more unlikely. What is most likely is that it was exactly what you saw. But the guy wasn't Paul Ryan. Maybe I'm wrong, but if I had to wager on it, I wouldn't hesitate a minute.

[Pachamama]

97. Capital to DCA is 5 miles - a congressional member can get there in a limo in under 15 mins.

The flight from DCA to MVY is 391 miles and if its a Regional jet like ones operated by US Airways direct or a private jet, can take under 1 1/2 hrs. by taxi/car from MVY to downtown Main street in Edgartown 10 - 15 mins.

Its very possible for Mr Ryan to have been at the Fallon Hotel going into the bar area around 10 pm and having cast a vote in DC before 7pm. And if he was asked to leave town because of this incident and the need to avoid embaressment, then it would be possible to leave early the next morning and be back in DC before 11AM. Maybe he was going to have been here longer and trip was cut short?

I make no apologies for reporting this - perhaps i should have asked first if it was indeed him, acknowledging it could have been a look-alike or even a scam. But maybe someone resourceful can look into this and confirm.

[onenote]

100. I don't know how often you make the trip from the Capitol to National

but I've done it a lot. And it might take 15 minutes (not counting the time it takes to get from the floor of the Capitol building to a car) at 1 AM. But at 7 pm, midweek? Not a chance. I've spent the better part of three decades working on and around the Hill. This isn't just speculation. Its experience.

And now it appears you're just grasping at straws. Its simply absurd to think that Ryan was planning on skipping recorded votes on Thursday but since he was sent packing (all speculation I might add) he decided, what the hell, I'll go ahead and vote. The main vote today was on HR 4078 "The Regulatory Freeze for Jobs Act of 2012" one of those classically stupid pieces of repub legislation (it would bar any new regulations from taking effect until unemployment reaches 6 percent) that is right up Ryan's alley. There is no chance that Ryan, who has missed fewer than 200 votes out of over 9500 roll call or recorded votes since he became a member of Congress 13 years ago, was planning on skipping today's vote. None. Nada. Zilch.

Look, as I have said before, this is almost certainly nothing more than a case of mistaken identity. Whether the "someone" who told you it was Ryan was jerking you around or was honestly mistaken...I have no idea. But that he was wrong about it? Seems pretty clear.

[Frustratedlady]

94. Is that Caroline Kennedy's husband?

Or a relative? He is Jewish, I think.

[Pachamama]

98. Yea, that is who he claimed to be and looked like him....

That's why Im saying this was a strange event....it shook me up enough to want to report it...

[Frustratedlady]

103. Hang in there. Surely, someone will look into it.

Be sure and keep us informed if you hear any more info. Very interesting.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

61. Did he also throw on a white hood and sheet, burn a cross....

....in the middle of the dining room while waving a clothes hanger saying "THIS IS YOUR DOCTOR NOW!!!"?

Because then, we'd have a story.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

75. You're making one of subtle japes again, aren't you (nt)

[1StrongBlackMan]

62. I guess ...

he got the call:

"Eh, Paul ... We're not gonna need you."

Or maybe the call went like this:

"Eh, Paul ... The masters have spoken. Plan on being in Tampa for the convention, and please wear a clean shirt. You're gonna be on stage."

[fascisthunter]

64. Sounds like a Nazi at a Jewish Wedding

[Zoeisright]

70. Why wasn't he arrested for assault and battery?

Because that's the crime he committed.

[Jack Sprat]

73. Someone named Paul Ryan

Even if it were a true story, it had to be someone acting out a skit of some kind. It's not realistic. It's more like a SNL skit.

[Pachamama]

90. If it was a scam, it was Oscar worthy and they had actors that looked just like Ryan, Schlossberg

And we sure got punked....

And the woman pushed down the stairs was an amazing actress and her performance noteworthy and so believable it had me!!!

[Jack Sprat]

101. I understand and don't mind me.

It's just that I have never seen a woman pushed down some stairs into some bushes in any establishment in my life. It just doesn't seem like a likely event and then to assume this particular guy (Ryan) would be the perp is hard to fathom. My apology for doubting the story. It's nothing at all about you or your sincerity. But you must admit, it's an incredible story.

[Sugarcoated]

76. She needs to talk to the media stat

This is effing outrageous

[onenote]

81. Really? Only if she wants to look foolish.

Ryan was voting in DC until 7 pm Wednesday night. That's a verified fact. Even assuming that Ryan left after that vote (the House remained in session and had unrecorded votes on a number of amendments until 10 pm) he would have had to get from the Capitol to the airport, get to Martha's Vineyard, get to the restaurant (which closes at 10:30 according to its website) and be involved in this incident and then be back in DC voting this morning. In theory he could've caught a shuttle from DC to Boston that takes about an hour and a half. And then drive to MV, which takes around an hour. Or he could've take a private plane directly to MV which takes around 2 hours. Either way, its hard to see how he gets to the restaurant before 10 pm (and that's been unrealistically generous about how long it would take).

Against these known facts, we have what: the claim that an anonymous "someone" said that the guy in the incident was Ryan. That' it. Oh, and that he was in MV on a Wednesday night for a "wedding" (although he was in DC on Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday.)

You want to convince the media that we're a bunch of idiots? Take this "story" to them.

[Pachamama]

88. I only know that someone there said thats why he was on the island...

I cant confirm that, frankly, i dont give a shit why he was here. I just know what many people witnessed and the man on the porch who ran up to this woman was apparentely related to the Kennedys or so he identified himself by the name Schlossberg. Meanwhile an off-duty police officer from Boston ran over from across the way after seeing it.

Maybe we will never know? As a longtime DU member, i thought it was pretty amazing and I would swear on my childrens life it was Paul Ryan or a Doppelganger. And several people there, credible people, identified him as such.

Maybe we were all punked? Dont know...but it was pretty real and the woman was hurt and didnt look like a paid actress....

A good investigative journalist can talk to police and see if their was a report filed of an incident. If someone knows the Schlossbergs, maybe they can verify if they were there.

By the way - you can fly into MVY on a small plane from Capital to DCA can be done in 20 mins, 2 hr flight up to MVY - skip BOS (no driving or ferry). Thats how I got in and the folks Im with. Kind of like Aspen and Jackson Hole.... Not everyone takes commercial planes either.

[still_one]

78. Wisconsin gave us a similar asshole, joe McCarthy /nt

[RoccoR5955]

79. So he's a prick in real life too!

Not surprising.
I am surprised that he expected there to be RepubliCONs on Martha's Vineyard!

[12zelda12]

80. Breaking WI recall news

Hey, I don't have enough posts. Would someone post this in breaking news?

http://scottwalkerwatch.com/2012/07/13/efforts-to-hand-count-june-5-recall-election-ballots-underway-due-to-evidence-of-faulty-electronic-voting-systems/

The Rock County Clerk’s Office opened its doors to an unusual request Tuesday.

A group of six concerned citizens wanted to cross-check Rock County’s election results of last month’s gubernatorial recall election—by hand.

The group members, who said they were part of the action group Election Fairness, had filed an open records request July 2 with Rock County and Wisconsin’s 71 other counties.

Its members seek to hand-count paper ballots in storage at counties around the state to determine whether results on paper ballots match electronic tabulations that counties used to total votes in the June 5 recall election between Gov. Scott Walker and Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett, said James Mueller of Cross Plains, the group’s attorney.

Most Wisconsin municipalities rely on electronic voting machines to tally votes from paper ballots. The electronic totals are recorded and added to late-arriving absentee ballots during a post-election canvass.

That’s how counties arrive at official election results that they certify with the state.

But members of Election Fairness say they believe electronic vote tabulation could be a flawed system. The group argues electronic voting machines can misread ballots and lead to mistakes that can skew election results.

There is also fear that voting machines can be tampered with, Mueller said.

Also, does anyone know about these two statements:

FACT: The optical voting machines that do the counting in Wisconsin are actually configured and from Dominion Voting Systems distributors Command Central LLC, which has an office in Waite Park, Minnesota. Specifically, the office address is 110 2nd Street S, Suite 232; Waite Park, MN 56387. What’s very interesting is that Tea Party Queen Michelle Bachmann’s office lists 110 2nd Street S, Suite 232; Waite Park, MN 56387 on her web site. Dominion Voting Systems acquired Premier Election Solutions, Election Systems & Software (ES&S), Diebold and Sequoia Voting Systems.

FACT:The purchase of the optical voting machines were arranged by Waukesha County Clerk Kathy Nicklaus was involved like she was with the Supreme Court election between Kloppenburg and Prosser, where she proved she had a special talent to find enough votes for Republicans to win elections over a series of past elections. She was chairwoman of the WCCA Legislation Committee (WCCO Agenda), who met in June 2010 to have ES&S’ Judd Ryan (meeting minutes) discuss the optical voting systems.

Keep the post rolling about Paul Ryan...good one. What a jerk.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

93. kickity-kick-kick

how interesting

[Stinky The Clown]

95. I find this story incredible.

Which is to say without credibility. Not credible.

[onenote]

102. What's also incredible is how many posters on this thread are blindly buying it

Pathetic.

[Kablooie]

99. Sounds like he knows he's on a down sliding slope.

Seems to me that belligerent behavior like that indicates he feels threatened.
He knows the Republicans are not headed for the big win they planned for.

If he felt confident I'll bet he would be crowing about it, not pushing people around.