I call bullshit on this scenario..Mom Kills Kids and Self

[angstlessk]

Investigators say Landrum put the two children in her Lincoln and drove north to Bay County, where she stopped at an industrial park. She picked a spot off the main road and that's when police say she shot Mikayla and DJ in the head, then turned the gun on herself.

http://www.fox2detroit.com/news/local-news/grieving-father-loses-children-after-mothers-murder-suicide

Mothers kill their kids in their homes. There was NO ONE in the home to stop her if she wanted to kill her kids...why drive to some secluded warehouse?

Mother drives to some secluded location unknown to anyone in the family to kill her kids and herself?

I am sorry..I am calling foul!

[Nailzberg]

1. It happens, Susan Smith comes to mind. There's no one rule to these things. nt

[angstlessk]

2. Not even close...she survived!

[anneboleyn]

6. She murdered her children and not at home. Thats the point. Same with my case or many many others.

[snort]

10. Um

Whut?

[Nailzberg]

11. Tell that to the kids.

[NutmegYankee]

3. Not the exact same scenario, but it was close to home

https://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/local/Two-Young-Boys-Dead-After-Amber-Alert-193425661.html

[Shrike47]

4. Diane Downs in Oregon. Went for a drive, shot all 3 kids.

One died, one survived but is in a wheelchair for the rest of his life, one more survived and eventually testified. The surviving children were adopted by the Deputy DA who prosecuted their mother.

[angstlessk]

26. Diane Downs did not die

she just killed or attempted to kill her kids

[Squinch]

35. That kind of supports the OP's point. Downs's aim was simply to murder her children.

Didn't want it in the house she would live in afterward.

[anneboleyn]

5. Watch Dear Zachary: a letter to a son about his father. That will shatter illusions about what a

“Mother” will or won’t do (it is also about the limits of law enforcement). It is a devastating and powerful documentary. And there have been many cases of mothers murdering their own children, and it doesn’t always happen at home.

[angstlessk]

8. I saw that...It was heartbreaking!

But I don't know what the proof they have other than they were in the car together with the gun.

[LeftInTX]

7. She might have been driving around pondering what to do

Generally these decisions are made in a split second.

She was probably thinking about it and thinking about it.

So, she got in the car to think about it more....

You could also be correct too. I don't anything about this case or what evidence they have. It is fairly easy to determine who fired the gun that killed the mother. Suicides to the brain usually have certain trajectory paths, and usually the gun is locked in the shooter's clenched fist.

[angstlessk]

9. A person close to the victim could shoot them in close vicinity

I guess I don't want to believe the mother did this, though others have.

[LeftInTX]

15. If the gun was in the mother's clenched fist, pretty sure it is a sign

Also position of body and trajectory.

People have tried using a suicide defense when they have murdered someone. The prosecutors always point to bullet trajectory and the fact that the gun was not in the person's clenched fist. One woman murdered her husband in bed and claimed he committed suicide. They said the angle of trajectory was wrong.

[angstlessk]

18. This is the first report...

When has a mother taken her kids to a remote place and killed them and herself?

NEVER

She has killed them, just not herself.

This is all preliminary...not the final conclusion

[cwydro]

25. And shell have gunshot residue on her hands.

They’ll figure it out.

[LeftInTX]

27. Yep

[Kaleva]

12. Diane Downs shot her three children in her car.

[angstlessk]

14. Were you there, if so, go to the police

OH, but you don't live in Detroit...in fact not even Michigan!

[Kaleva]

16. Then why don't you go to the police with your evidence?

Let us know how it turns out. You may save a woman from being imprisoned with your evidence.

[cwydro]

37. This thread is a hoot.

[pintobean]

17. Were you?

A block away, or 10,000 miles, what's the difference?

[angstlessk]

19. Honey, at least I live in Detroit

I have no more proof than you do that she killed her kids and self!

[pintobean]

21. You're being very rude for no reason.

If she did it away from home it may have been to prevent family from finding the bodies.

[cwydro]

24. I dont get why she doesnt believe it.

Sadly, it’s not that unusual.

[cwydro]

30. I would imagine they checked his whereabouts.

Probably first thing.

[angstlessk]

29. she didn't kill herself!

[Kaleva]

33. This what you said in your OP

"Mothers kill their kids in their homes."

People have been posting examples of cases where mothers have killed their kids or kid outside of the home.

[angstlessk]

13. Actually this is very prelimary

Time can change the conclusion

[angstlessk]

20. Why do people defend the husband's report? Or is it just me?

No one person who has responded to my post knows what happened at that remote site...

They are either police lovers or perhaps BOTS?

[angstlessk]

22. Bet cash money...no more posts!

[pintobean]

31. Now you're replying to yourself repeatedly.

[SharonClark]

47. Snort

[mythology]

45. Perhaps if you weren't blankly refusing to even consider that you could be wrong

Or using faulty logic like a responder wasn't there and so can't know what happened, when you're in the same boat.

Also claiming rather bizarrely that this is unprecedented, when there are clearly other similar cases.

https://www.ajc.com/news/national/woman-who-killed-two-children-murder-suicide-had-history-mental-problems/wELvPObzKSy89dRZBphoAM/

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article119590653.html

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/mother-kills-kids-husband-murder-suicide-article-1.3746448

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=96545

https://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/local-news/he-lost-his-wife-and-2-kids-under-horrific-circumstances-ryan-laber-talks-to-denver7-tonight

http://old.jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20071104/lead/lead1.html

And those are just ones I could find quickly that specifically matched a mother killing her child(ren) and then herself and not at home. Sorry to burst your bubble, but yeah it happens.

[cwydro]

23. It happened near where I live a couple months ago.

Woman killed her kids then jumped off bridge overpass onto busy highway.

It happens.

[angstlessk]

32. got a link

[cwydro]

36. Google Charlotte woman kills kids, then self.

You’ll get a page of hits.

Others in this thread have pointed out other examples to you.

Why are you so invested in this?

[EffieBlack]

28. Trying to apply logic to an obviously suicidal, mentally ill person is pointless

[angstlessk]

34. Why are people so afraid to think differently

[B2G]

42. Why are you so afraid when they do? Nt

[Squinch]

38. That's kind of an astute observation. I'll be curious about developments in this now.

I think those kinds of things can be telling.

I always thought OJ was guilty because why kill your victims outside when you could have killed them inside and not risked being seen by a neighbor? To which my answer was: because your kids are sleeping upstairs and it's just a knee-jerk thing to not want the violence that close to them.

[cwydro]

40. OJ used a knife.

He shot no one.

[Squinch]

41. Oops. Yes. But the concept holds. I'll correct.

[Ellen Forradalom]

39. I would await further facts

Not enough information in the article to guess whether that's the whole story

[Kali]

43. Did you ever get out of your bad situation?

[cwydro]

44. Good question. nt

[onenote]

46. shit happens.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/30109090/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/t/mom-kills-son-then-self-shooting-range/#.Wo-LciOZMXo

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/mother-kills-kids-husband-murder-suicide-article-1.3746448

https://www.denverpost.com/2016/12/01/colorado-mom-two-children-died-gunshot-wounds/

[angstlessk]

48. They got video of the dad with the kids...what about video with the mom?

Just lost in the shuffle?