CNN Breaking News: Video shows multiple officers failed to respond immediately.

[mobeau69]

Ban the damn things.

[atreides1]

1. 4 officers/deputies

The question is, when did the other officers arrive on the scene? Peterson was already there and video shows him outside of the building for at least 4 minutes, the shooting went on for 6 minutes...that means he got there not long after Cruz began his rampage, and stayed outside!

[mobeau69]

3. According to Tapper, when Coral Springs police arrived Broward Co. deputies

were in positions behind their cars. No one had entered the building.

[mobeau69]

2. Jake Tapper on Twitter...

Link to tweet

[mobeau69]

6. Tapper

Link to tweet

[mobeau69]

7. More at CNN

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/23/politics/parkland-school-shooting-broward-deputies/index.html

[Liberal In Texas]

42. Fuck a duck.

But who knows what kind of confusion was going on? I a (kind of) war everything goes to shit.

It really was only a few minutes.

NO GUNS. That's the only way to prevent these kind of atrocities.

[kentuck]

47. 4 minutes is not a long time....

If you hear rapid gunfire and you don't know how many shooters or where it is coming from, how long does it take to gather yourself to do something? How many people would simple charge into an unknown situation such as that? No doubt, your first impulse is to take cover. Then, you decide on your next move. Four minutes is not a long time as the rapid fire continue and young people continue to fall. What would you have done? I don't think it is as simple as branding these people as "cowards".

[inwiththenew]

4. Why don't we have another town hall with the sheriff?

Seems like there are a series of mistakes committed by his agency.

[Stallion]

5. Obviously Officers Were Waiting on the Teachers to Take the Shooter Out

[SoCalMusicLover]

10. You're Absolutely Right

Only the teachers are qualified, too bad they're not all armed.

[dalton99a]

21. Yep.

[Farmer-Rick]

27. Or General Kelly

Only teachers or a general turn Trump babysitter could of taken out the shooter.

[Sneederbunk]

8. Obviously did not get memo after Columbine. Do not wait.

[procon]

13. What memo?

Seriously, can you provide the link where all police agencies throughout the country signed on to some official national memo?

[atreides1]

26. Police tactics

One significant change to police tactics following Columbine is the introduction of the Immediate Action Rapid Deployment tactic, used in situations with an active shooter. Police followed the traditional tactic at Columbine: surround the building, set up a perimeter, and contain the damage. That approach has been replaced by a tactic that takes into account the presence of an active shooter whose interest is to kill, not to take hostages. This tactic calls for a four-person team to advance into the site of any ongoing shooting, optimally a diamond-shaped wedge, but even with just a single officer if more are not available. Police officers using this tactic are trained to move toward the sound of gunfire and neutralize the shooter as quickly as possible. Their goal is to stop the shooter at all costs; they are to walk past wounded victims, as the aim is to prevent the shooter from killing or wounding more. David Cullen, author of Columbine, has stated: "The active protocol has proved successful at numerous shootings during the past decade. At Virginia Tech alone, it probably saved dozens of lives.

[pnwmom]

32. "Even with just a single shooter" is kind of nuts, when the shooter is already spraying bullets from

an AR-15 and the site is full of children.

[MichMary]

33. Not a national memo

Probably more like best practices.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/15/us/florida-school-shooting-columbine-lessons/index.html

[clutterbox1830]

9. Maybe they all had bone spurs and couldn't perform their duty.

[Stallion]

12. The Heatbreak of Crisis Recurring Bone-Spurs

[Ilsa]

11. So, nobody hired, trained, and armed

didn't want to go in and face a shooter with an assault rifle? What does this say about "good guy with a gun" being the answer?

[johnpowdy]

16. Yet the unarmed football coach and teachers ran toward the gun fire to save the kids and died

Sounds like these deputies are COWARDS

[Ilsa]

18. The teachers were made of better material than most humans. nt

[unitedwethrive]

28. Its an entirely different thing to find yoursel in the middle of a shooting

then it is to be outside of the situation and voluntarily enter a place of extreme danger. In military situations, troops are trained to only enter with backup, and if civilians are killed while waiting, it’s unfortunate collateral damage. And our troops have body armor and automatic weapons. Far different from most community and school police.

[TarponSnook]

36. TWO TEACHERS STOOD THEIR GROUND IN FACE OF

A FUCKING WEAPON OF WAR!

[lostnfound]

40. God theres another one. BS..until all facts are known, do not judge. Nt

[Luciferous]

38. One of the adults ran back in to the building and used his body as a shield to save kids and these

cowards, who are trained AND had weapons AND backup couldn't go in and help those kids?! To protect and serve is literally their godddamn job!!!

[lostnfound]

39. BS..until all facts are known, dont judge. Nt

[struggle4progress]

14. Security footage was on 26-minute delay

POSTED 2:58 PM, FEBRUARY 22, 2018, BY CNN WIRE

PARKLAND, Fla. — Surveillance footage from the Florida high school where 17 people were fatally shot and more than a dozen others wounded was not shown live, as responding officers initially thought.

It was on a 26-minute delay — leading police to brace for a shootout when the gunman was actually long gone, Coral Springs Police Capt. Brad McKeone said.

“Nobody told us,” Coral Springs Police Chief Tony Pustizzi told the Sun Sentinel, which first reported the tape delay ...

http://wtvr.com/2018/02/22/marjory-stoneman-douglas-security-footage-delay/

[Ms. Toad]

15. .

More and more like Barney Fife meets 9/11

[librechik]

17. This is rich, on the day Trump screams armed teacher/deputies would solve the problem.

rHe even talked about the cowardly deputy himself. without a trace of awareness of the irony.

[poboy2]

23. And this is the most troubling part. Its as though large portions

of the population cannot add - or insist that 1+1=fish.

Very troubling.

[Cha]

19. What were they doing instead, mobeau?

[mobeau69]

20. See #3. Not sure if #14 disproves this or what it means.

[Cha]

22. Mahalo..

[struggle4progress]

24. #14 suggests it was difficult to get timely and accurate info about what was happening

[mobeau69]

25. Thanks, but I still don't think I get it.

So the cops were watching a video somehow in their cars from inside the school, thought it was live but it was delayed for several minutes? Is that it?

[struggle4progress]

29. The school has surveillance cameras and made the feed available to police. But the feed was sent

with a 26 minute delay. So when police were basing their decisions on what they thought was live footage, they were actually 26 minutes behind real time. They thought they were looking at where the shooter was, but they were actually looking at where he was 26 minutes earlier. When he had actually already left the building, they were looking at images of the early shooting and thought that's was what was happening then. They sent a team to the second floor to grab him but they didn't find him there. Then the footage started showing him on the third floor so they sent police to the third floor, but they didn't find him there either: because of the 26 minute delay in the feed, he was long gone

[mobeau69]

43. Thanks a lot. What a clusterfuck. nt

[Historic NY]

30. You have to go in

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I know the drill, we learned the drill, we practiced the drill. You have to go past the dead and dying to stop the shooter. They never even identified him and he fled out the school. Hiding behind the patrol car cost lives. Is this dept. operating pre-Columbine? WTF is the training. You know who did their job the Coral Springs officers.

[link: https://www.nbcmiami.com/on-air/as-seen-on/Student-Witnessed-Stoneman-Officers-Inaction_Miami-475001163.html|]

[lunasun]

34. And the Coral Springs officers are speaking . Good student witness interview on link

[USALiberal]

37. Most cops NEVER fire their weapon in a lifetime. Practice is not reality. nt

[yellowcanine]

31. Thank GAWD the "good guys with guns" were there! Oh wait......

Never mind.

[USALiberal]

35. Seems like a bunch of expert tough guys on DU know exactly what they should of done!! nt

[lostnfound]

41. Not a bunch, just a couple stand out.

No nuance, those ones. Just a russh to judgment.

[OneGrassRoot]

46. Maybe the thin blue line...

will break a bit. It needs to. I understand the concept of a team and having one another's back, but it has been taken to the point of zero accountability too many times.

I don't judge the officers' actions; it's one of those things that, unless we're there, we don't know what we'd do no matter how tough people talk now. (Granted, if one of our kids were in there, chances are we'd run in even unarmed; theoretically we see all children as our children, but in this situation? I'm honestly not so sure.) Granted, it was their JOB but hopefully this will highlight how these military-grade assault weapons are intimidating even to LEOs, which is why many of them don't want such weapons in the hands of civilians.