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MichMary

(1,714 posts)
Fri Feb 23, 2018, 06:21 PM Feb 2018

Someone, help me understand this . . .

A mentally deranged kid can explicitly say that he is going to be a "professional school shooter" and the FBI can't do a simple Google or Facebook search UNDER HIS REAL NAME, but cops investigate someone because of the square root symbol????

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article201604224.html

Students in Louisiana thought this math symbol looked like a gun. Police were called

A discussion among students at Oberlin High School in Oberlin, La., about a mathematical symbol led to a police investigation and a search of one of the student’s homes, according to the Allen Parish Sheriff’s Office.

On the afternoon of Feb. 20, detectives investigated a report of terroristic threats at the school, where they learned that a student had been completing a math problem that required drawing the square-root sign.
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Someone, help me understand this . . . (Original Post) MichMary Feb 2018 OP
Let's assume they researched him, found out he legally owned those guns, what Eliot Rosewater Feb 2018 #1
Options: MichMary Feb 2018 #2
Take weapons away how? Eliot Rosewater Feb 2018 #5
There are laws in place MichMary Feb 2018 #8
Which specific law is that? Eliot Rosewater Feb 2018 #9
I assumed that they were MichMary Feb 2018 #10
Point is nothing can be done 99.99% of the time and even with laws like that Eliot Rosewater Feb 2018 #11
There are so called red flag laws allowing for that drray23 Feb 2018 #13
Law enforcement cant adjudge someone a threat. Only a court can do that. Nt EffieBlack Feb 2018 #17
This administration reversed Pres Obama's mcar Feb 2018 #18
I think you have hit upon the real goal here. Squinch Feb 2018 #19
Was the shooter receiving social security disability payments? hardluck Feb 2018 #28
Rarely does counseling help psychopaths - you can't teach empathy womanofthehills Feb 2018 #25
Sick, dangerous people MichMary Feb 2018 #27
We need what is being called "red flag laws" mainstreetonce Feb 2018 #3
Sure, but we didnt have that so there was nothing that could be done Eliot Rosewater Feb 2018 #6
+1 n/t MichMary Feb 2018 #23
There were no guns. His house was searched. He has no access to guns (per article). Shrike47 Feb 2018 #12
Have a judge issue a restraining order Lee-Lee Feb 2018 #14
Instead why not interpret the 2nd the way it is written and allow the state to outlaw guns Eliot Rosewater Feb 2018 #15
Gonzales v. Castle Rock. Restraining orders are worthless. Squinch Feb 2018 #20
Involuntary mental hospital confinement. former9thward Feb 2018 #16
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2018 #31
You really have to ask? Ms. Toad Feb 2018 #4
Yeah, MichMary Feb 2018 #7
Again, though, who was supposed to follow up, and how, and what could they do when they did Squinch Feb 2018 #21
I am totally shocked MichMary Feb 2018 #22
Because republicans have destroyed our ability to do anything that allows us to be Squinch Feb 2018 #24
Yet another example of problems stemming from underfunding education. fierywoman Feb 2018 #26
Clearly math can get you killed. PoindexterOglethorpe Feb 2018 #29
My thought exactly n/t MichMary Feb 2018 #30

Eliot Rosewater

(32,312 posts)
1. Let's assume they researched him, found out he legally owned those guns, what
Fri Feb 23, 2018, 06:23 PM
Feb 2018

course of action were they to take?

MichMary

(1,714 posts)
2. Options:
Fri Feb 23, 2018, 06:26 PM
Feb 2018

Mental health help, taking his weapons away, probably others. What's the point of "see something, say something" if there is nothing to be done about it?

Still, why would someone think the square root symbol looks like a gun and poses a threat???

MichMary

(1,714 posts)
8. There are laws in place
Fri Feb 23, 2018, 06:58 PM
Feb 2018

to ensure that people who are adjudged to be a threat not own weapons. If the laws had been followed, he wouldn't have had a gun. What do you think "see something, say something" means?

MichMary

(1,714 posts)
10. I assumed that they were
Fri Feb 23, 2018, 07:05 PM
Feb 2018

But, in looking it up, it appears that there aren't national laws enabling that.

My bad.

Eliot Rosewater

(32,312 posts)
11. Point is nothing can be done 99.99% of the time and even with laws like that
Fri Feb 23, 2018, 07:07 PM
Feb 2018

imagine trying to identify people like this in the first place.

The problem is guns, plain and simple.

drray23

(7,838 posts)
13. There are so called red flag laws allowing for that
Fri Feb 23, 2018, 07:38 PM
Feb 2018

Unfortunately, these are state laws and not federal laws. Only a few states have them.

mcar

(43,280 posts)
18. This administration reversed Pres Obama's
Fri Feb 23, 2018, 08:20 PM
Feb 2018

action to block the mentally ill from getting guns. Law enforcement has no power to do that in Florida.

This, with all respect, is feeding into RW talking points. The issue is common sense gun control, which includes universal background checks including mental health screening.

Saying "why didn't they?" deflects from the real issues.

hardluck

(678 posts)
28. Was the shooter receiving social security disability payments?
Fri Feb 23, 2018, 09:53 PM
Feb 2018

If not, then the reversal was immaterial to this shooting.

womanofthehills

(9,146 posts)
25. Rarely does counseling help psychopaths - you can't teach empathy
Fri Feb 23, 2018, 09:39 PM
Feb 2018

The Florida high school shooter was killing small animals and bringing in pictures of the dead animals to show his classmates.

MichMary

(1,714 posts)
27. Sick, dangerous people
Fri Feb 23, 2018, 09:42 PM
Feb 2018

I've read that there is a program in Wisconsin that is having some success treating psychopathic juveniles. Trouble is in identifying them before they wreak havoc.

mainstreetonce

(4,178 posts)
3. We need what is being called "red flag laws"
Fri Feb 23, 2018, 06:40 PM
Feb 2018

To give authorities or judges the power to act when there are credible dangerous threats.

Eliot Rosewater

(32,312 posts)
6. Sure, but we didnt have that so there was nothing that could be done
Fri Feb 23, 2018, 06:53 PM
Feb 2018

Thus why it is the guns that are the problem.

Shrike47

(6,913 posts)
12. There were no guns. His house was searched. He has no access to guns (per article).
Fri Feb 23, 2018, 07:26 PM
Feb 2018

He said something stupid and they climbed all over him, ignoring any real threats that may exist at that school.

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
14. Have a judge issue a restraining order
Fri Feb 23, 2018, 08:04 PM
Feb 2018

One mandating he not go within 1000 yards of any school and not possess any firearms until he had completed psychiatric evaluation and/or treatment to the point the court was satisfied he was no longer a danger.

Eliot Rosewater

(32,312 posts)
15. Instead why not interpret the 2nd the way it is written and allow the state to outlaw guns
Fri Feb 23, 2018, 08:05 PM
Feb 2018

outside of well regulated militias if they so choose?

former9thward

(33,258 posts)
16. Involuntary mental hospital confinement.
Fri Feb 23, 2018, 08:09 PM
Feb 2018

That is allowed in Florida. Cruz's younger brother was involuntarily confined following the massacre.

Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #1)

Ms. Toad

(35,259 posts)
4. You really have to ask?
Fri Feb 23, 2018, 06:43 PM
Feb 2018

The math symbol incident occurred AFTER the shooting. People are on edge and reporting everything - and investigatory agencies are ALSO on edge and, after the slams investigatory entities are getting for not investigating Cruz, do you really thing anyone receiving a tip - however far-fetched - is not going to investigate?

Had the comment about the math symbol been made on 2/13, it would not even have been reported, let alone investigated.

MichMary

(1,714 posts)
7. Yeah,
Fri Feb 23, 2018, 06:55 PM
Feb 2018

there have been a LOT of copycat threats, to which the idiot kids always say, "It was a JOKE!" Stupid kids . . .

I really wish the threats by Cruz had been taken anywhere near as seriously. Everyone did everything right--except all the people who were supposed to follow up and protect the public.

Squinch

(52,230 posts)
21. Again, though, who was supposed to follow up, and how, and what could they do when they did
Fri Feb 23, 2018, 09:18 PM
Feb 2018

follow up? Our laws about guns and people who are allowed to own guns have made a situation where there was nothing that could be done beforehand by those who were "supposed to follow up and protect the public."

MichMary

(1,714 posts)
22. I am totally shocked
Fri Feb 23, 2018, 09:29 PM
Feb 2018

that there is so little that can be done to remove a firearm from someone like him.

I would like to know, what is the point of having social workers, counselors, tip lines, etc. Because if there is literally nothing they can do to protect people from people like him, well--why??

Squinch

(52,230 posts)
24. Because republicans have destroyed our ability to do anything that allows us to be
Fri Feb 23, 2018, 09:35 PM
Feb 2018

safe from guns. They have blocked every law we have proposed and they have overridden every law we have managed to pass.

And yes, why indeed? That is what people are trying to find out. That is what this fight is about.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(26,274 posts)
29. Clearly math can get you killed.
Fri Feb 23, 2018, 10:05 PM
Feb 2018

Just a little sarcasm there.

It's horrifying that no one apparently recognized the square root sign.

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