I would be glad to see Trump go down for collusion but if not, will Mueller pursue other charges?

[yurbud]

The collusion charge seems to hang not just on whether Trump actively worked with Russia on the election, but whether Russia is our enemy in the wartime sense as opposed to an economic rival in some sectors.

Will Mueller pursue other charges as well, or just let the whole investigation stand or fall on that?

The money-laundering, organized crime ties, and even other Russia related charges like ending sanctions in exchange for his Russian debts being forgiven seem more substantive.

The other reason these other charges should be filed: I don't want to see Trump merely leave office. He should go to prison for all that other stuff, not just because he did it and because he's a vile person, but to send a message to politicians and their owners that no one is above the law, not even the President.

When Obama first mentioned this stuff publicly on his way out the door, that was a sea change for the Democratic Party that has largely given the GOP a pass on political dirty tricks from Nixon's treasons promises to South Vietnam before the '68 election to the October Surprise in '80, to Iran Contra, and the various Baby Bush war lies and ties to business crimes like Enron.

Putting Trump in prison would be a step toward real democracy. If a couple of the billionaires who are backing him managed to get there too, so much the better.

[underthematrix]

1. Well aside from the obstruction of justice

I think Mueller hinted at what he will charge Trump and his Klan with - conspiracy to defraud the United States.

[Wellstone ruled]

4. And,it appears Mueller is

doing a Nixon,we will see a charging document the thickness of a Ward's Catalog presented to the House of Representatives and released to the media. Game Set Match. Treason anyone!

[Eliot Rosewater]

2. Follow the money.

His entire cabal is and has been guilty of money laundering for decades and not just laundering but they are part of a murderous cabal of international criminals.

Putin is an international murderer, criminal, etc. Trump is owned by Putin.

What makes me so FUCKING angry are the Americans who dont care about those facts. And now I hear a CENK UYGER progressive is trying to unseat Feinstein out in CA.

Dear god are we this stupid?

[lark]

5. I know, this is insane.

I have criticized DiFi often in the past for her pro=war votes, but she's still a Dem, on the Senate committee investigating drumpf and standing tall for America, a reliable vote for health care and against tax cuts for the rich. WTF, CA dems, are you just trying to keep drumpf in office for 8 years?

OMFG!!!

[Wounded Bear]

10. I think the challenge to DiFi has been vastly over exaggerated...

Patience. Di is still polling favorably.

[ananda]

3. Money laundering and obstruction of justice would work for me.

nt

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

6. There is no crime of "collusion." There is a crime called conspiracy,

which Manafort and Gates have already been charged with. It's a very sticky crime. If you touch it it clings to you and you can't get it off, even if you didn't actually commit the underlying crime.

Mueller is very thorough. He will charge any crime that he believes can be proved beyond a reasonable doubt, which could include conspiracy, obstruction of justice, money laundering and tax evasion. The real question right now is whether he would seek an indictment of Trump because the current position of the DoJ, ever since Watergate, is that a sitting president can't be indicted, which is why Nixon was named as an unindicted co-conspirator. Although he wasn't prosecuted, it was the precursor to articles of impeachment. And once a president is out of office he can be prosecuted. Nixon wasn't because Ford pardoned him. Pence would probably do the same.

[yurbud]

14. I thought Pence was somehow tangled up in this too.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

17. He could be. We just haven't seen what, if anything,

Mueller is investigating with respect to him. I wouldn't be sad at all if he went down, too, except for the fact that Paul Ryan is next in line.

[shockey80]

8. There are going to be many charges. These charges are possible.

Conspiracy.

Obstruction of justice.

Election Fraud.

Money Laundering.

Perjury.

Bank Fraud.

Tax Fraud.

[Yonnie3]

13. I want something totally out of left field that came to light in the investigation.

Something to do with the modeling agency or bribery would be nice additions. Many crimes are Federal if they happen to cross state lines.

'Rump has played games with cheating people his whole life, I'm sure he bent the law to make money many times.
In the end it might just be tax evasion. He did want to get rid of the IRS.

[ariesgem]

9. Money laundering will bring me the satisfaction

of watching him and his crooked family go to prison and having all of their assets confiscated.

[Fresh_Start]

11. we should be talking about who he is laundering money for

we know the russian mob is one of his beneficiaries


if we can find al queda as one of the beneficiaries or mexican drug lords....some of the trumpkins will peel off because that would be a step too far

[yurbud]

15. al Qaeda? He's kissed the asses of the Saudis already who were

primary funders of al Qaeda.

[peggysue2]

12. Conspiracy Against . . .

the United States of America, money laundering, tax evasion, obstruction of justice, etc.

The list goes on.

I'm confident that Mueller will pursue every charge/angle on the books and that the Trumpster Crime Family will ultimately go down, be jailed and later penned into the Book of Infamy.

Where they so justly belong.

[Orsino]

16. Trump is corrupt in about every other possible way.

Mueller is not just closing in on a collusion ring, even if that was his focus at the start. In chasing down Russian connections, the Special Counsel will trip over many other crimes.