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DemocracyMouse

(2,275 posts)
Tue Feb 27, 2018, 01:02 AM Feb 2018

Professor amazed: today's "conservatives" aren't actually conservative.

Jeffrey P. Kimball, Miami University professor emeritus, has finally articulated what has been needling me for years. So-called "conservatives" should be conserving the New Deal, national parks, polite manners, and other longstanding US traditions. They aren't, in fact, conserving much of anything – especially under the current Russian puppet despoiling the Whitehouse. Referring to dictionary definitions of conservative, Kimball states in Raw Story:

These definitions are unhelpful and misleading. Self-proclaimed political and social conservatives are not necessarily inclined to support or maintain the “traditional” social order – that is, long-standing majority views, conditions, institutions, or legislation. These include government regulation of corporations, banks, and Wall Street, progressive income taxes, Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, public education, civil rights, voting rights, environmental regulations, and public-lands conservation. Self-identified conservatives also oppose other traditional institutions, practices, and measures, such as the United Nations, international standards for the treatment of prisoners of war, labor unions, collective bargaining, fair labor standards, and, for some, public fluoridation of water. The measures conservatives oppose were legislated, created, or practiced 50 to 100 or more years ago.

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/02/shouldnt-use-label-conservatives-describe-americas-right-wing/
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Professor amazed: today's "conservatives" aren't actually conservative. (Original Post) DemocracyMouse Feb 2018 OP
They've been radical reactionaries for decades! marybourg Feb 2018 #1
They support the needs of an elitist minority. Beartracks Feb 2018 #2
Please. If you look at my old posts you would see that is no new revelation. Baitball Blogger Feb 2018 #3
The benchmarks of Burkean conservatism were prudence, moderation, and a respect for tradition. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2018 #4
They aren't "conservatives", they are fascists. dawg Feb 2018 #5
So why do journalists/pundits keep calling them"conservatives"? DemocracyMouse Feb 2018 #6

Beartracks

(12,797 posts)
2. They support the needs of an elitist minority.
Tue Feb 27, 2018, 02:07 AM
Feb 2018

That being the far right Christians and the rich. Republican voters have been co-opted and don't even know it. Sad.

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DemocratSinceBirth

(99,708 posts)
4. The benchmarks of Burkean conservatism were prudence, moderation, and a respect for tradition.
Tue Feb 27, 2018, 10:20 AM
Feb 2018

That's not the GOP.

dawg

(10,621 posts)
5. They aren't "conservatives", they are fascists.
Tue Feb 27, 2018, 10:29 AM
Feb 2018

I'm not even being hyperbolic.

One can be a fascist without necessarily being genocidal.

The true "conservatives", by the way, are the incrementalists within the Democratic Party.

DemocracyMouse

(2,275 posts)
6. So why do journalists/pundits keep calling them"conservatives"?
Tue Feb 27, 2018, 03:36 PM
Feb 2018

It gives them a kind of middling respect they don't actually deserve. Some good alternatives proposed in the dialogue above:

—Reactionaries
—Fascists

What, however, would the pundits be comfortable actually using? (Even though those terms are actually more accurate!)

Pundits are always seeking the "acceptable" term – we need to start calling folks out when the use "conservative". As in:

"Really? I didn't know Trump (etc) wanted to conserve our National Parks and our tradition of Social Security and Constitutionally mandated national welfare."


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