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BREAKING: Mueller letting Gates off the hook..... (Original Post) brooklynite Feb 2018 OP
Not all charges have been dismissed. MineralMan Feb 2018 #1
How is that "letting off the hook"? jberryhill Feb 2018 #2
Sometimes at DU it is the same trigger happy read the headline only and repost fever as at Foxxx. Fred Sanders Feb 2018 #18
We aren't all attorneys, lol sarah FAILIN Feb 2018 #24
Mueller is rewarding Gates for his information..... Pachamama Feb 2018 #3
He's dismissing the supplemental counts Gates did not plead guilty to because of cooperation Stallion Feb 2018 #4
This means if Gates phucks up, the underthematrix Feb 2018 #5
Yes without prejudice exboyfil Feb 2018 #8
Bingo. And it tells me whatever he underthematrix Feb 2018 #12
Normal result of a plea deal... Wounded Bear Feb 2018 #6
Not all charges are being dismissed atreides1 Feb 2018 #7
Looks like the deal got sweeter. NCTraveler Feb 2018 #9
That's how a plea deal works Phoenix61 Feb 2018 #10
This was part of the plea deal marylandblue Feb 2018 #11
Could this also mean that PRETZEL Feb 2018 #13
There some vague language in there about actual sentence marylandblue Feb 2018 #15
Thanks nt PRETZEL Feb 2018 #16
They threw everything they had at him last week to prove a point. Renew Deal Feb 2018 #14
Dismissed charges and not a reduced sentence? Makes you wonder if he didn't just sing, but gave a fu MelissaB Feb 2018 #17
Another misinformed tweet jberryhill Feb 2018 #19
He obviously gave very valuable information and probably needs to go into witness protection. Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #20
This isn't necessarily as meaningful as it may seem. onenote Feb 2018 #21
The reason being that Mueller got A LOT in return for the plea. CakeGrrl Feb 2018 #22
Clickbait OP leftynyc Feb 2018 #23

MineralMan

(146,338 posts)
1. Not all charges have been dismissed.
Tue Feb 27, 2018, 12:20 PM
Feb 2018

Looks like Gates has done several back-flips to earn those dismissals.

That must be worrisome for certain others, though.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
2. How is that "letting off the hook"?
Tue Feb 27, 2018, 12:20 PM
Feb 2018

Gates is still guilty on 8 felonies.

Gates pled guilty to counts 1-4 and 11-14. This is not a surprise of some kind.

Yes, in exchange for the guilty plea and cooperation, the other charges were dropped. That's the entire point of making a deal.

Pachamama

(16,887 posts)
3. Mueller is rewarding Gates for his information.....
Tue Feb 27, 2018, 12:22 PM
Feb 2018

.....And now we know the reason that the Shithole is tweeting about a WITCH HUNT this morning....

Stallion

(6,476 posts)
4. He's dismissing the supplemental counts Gates did not plead guilty to because of cooperation
Tue Feb 27, 2018, 12:22 PM
Feb 2018

....he's already plead guilty to 2 lesser counts

atreides1

(16,100 posts)
7. Not all charges are being dismissed
Tue Feb 27, 2018, 12:23 PM
Feb 2018

Those are the counts dropped because Gates pleaded guilty to other counts and likely offered up information on his business partner Manafort!

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
9. Looks like the deal got sweeter.
Tue Feb 27, 2018, 12:25 PM
Feb 2018

Where are you hearing he was let off the hook? Can you provide a link to the breaking story that states the reasons why they feel he is being let off the hook or are those your own personal thoughts?

Phoenix61

(17,021 posts)
10. That's how a plea deal works
Tue Feb 27, 2018, 12:26 PM
Feb 2018

You make nice and give them info they want. They make nice and charges go bye-bye. Except the ones you plead guilty to.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
11. This was part of the plea deal
Tue Feb 27, 2018, 12:28 PM
Feb 2018

Government agreed to drop all charges he didn't plead guilty to. Also note the words "without predjudice," which means they can always bring back the charges if Gates doesn't behave.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
15. There some vague language in there about actual sentence
Tue Feb 27, 2018, 12:42 PM
Feb 2018

is up to the judge and how well he cooperates would be taken into account, but there is no promise along those lines.

MelissaB

(16,420 posts)
17. Dismissed charges and not a reduced sentence? Makes you wonder if he didn't just sing, but gave a fu
Tue Feb 27, 2018, 12:43 PM
Feb 2018

Dismissed charges and not a reduced sentence? Makes you wonder if he didn't just sing, but gave a full concert.


 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
19. Another misinformed tweet
Tue Feb 27, 2018, 01:23 PM
Feb 2018

This case is nowhere near sentencing.

Sentencing is up to the court. The prosecutor may make a recommendation when the time comes for sentencing. But we are nowhere near the stage when anyone would be talking about sentencing.

onenote

(42,794 posts)
21. This isn't necessarily as meaningful as it may seem.
Tue Feb 27, 2018, 02:22 PM
Feb 2018

There are a lot of moving parts here, but what needs to be taken into account is that the original indictment against Gates and Manafort was filed in October in the District Court for the District of Columbia. The motion to dismiss filed today relates to an indictment filed in the Eastern District of Virginia.

It appears that Mueller and his team ran into an issue as to whether the charges originally brought in DC were properly brought there or should have been brought in Virginia. The indictments in the two courts overlapped substantively. Rather than have indictments in two separate courts, Mueller sought to have Gates and Manafort waive any objections to certain charges being brought in DC, which allowed Mueller to drop those charges in Virginia. I don't pretend to understand all the details, but the filings with the DC court made last week expressly alluded to an agreement to dismiss the charges in the Eastern District. An explanation of some of this, albeit not completely clear, can be found here:
https://lawfareblog.com/whats-new-paul-manafort-and-rick-gates-indictment

CakeGrrl

(10,611 posts)
22. The reason being that Mueller got A LOT in return for the plea.
Tue Feb 27, 2018, 02:26 PM
Feb 2018

Like President Obama, Mueller plays it close.

Whatever Gates has given him will likely help move the next indictment(s) forward.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
23. Clickbait OP
Tue Feb 27, 2018, 02:38 PM
Feb 2018

First, this is what happens when you plead out. Second, they were dropped without prejudice which means they can be installed again at any time. You know better than this BS headline.

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