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NewJeffCT

(56,848 posts)
Wed Feb 28, 2018, 07:31 AM Feb 2018

The Deep State Takes Out the White Houses Dark Clown Prince

Rick Wilson has a way with words...

Jared Kushner had a very bad terrible no good day. Couldn’t have happened to a nicer guy.

If you’ve ever filled out a form SF-86 for a U.S. government security clearance, you’ll know the hassle of dealing with the sheer volume of information it entails. Listing contacts, personal, financial, and travel information in enormous, painstaking detail isn’t trivial, and even small errors will get the form kicked back to you or your clearance rejected. Applicants are required to spell out in great detail the specifics of foreign travel and overseas contacts. Investigators need to know where you’ve made your money and to whom you have debts.

I did it in my early twenties when my life was relatively uncomplicated, and it was still a pain in the ass. It’s not easy, and it’s not supposed to be.

It’s even harder when you’re a corrupt, entitled snake who repeatedly lies about your finances to federal investigators and serves as a living, breathing poster child for privileged venality. It’s even harder when you’ve rather clumsily attempted to use both your familial relationship and proximity to the president of the United States to save your family’s failing real-estate empire


https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-deep-state-takes-out-the-white-houses-dark-clown-prince?ref=home

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The Deep State Takes Out the White Houses Dark Clown Prince (Original Post) NewJeffCT Feb 2018 OP
I did one in '72 as a pot smoking college drop out and got it the first time. All it takes is... marble falls Feb 2018 #1
Amen roscoeroscoe Feb 2018 #2
It should be at least in Jarod's case. He'll go to jail, yet. Ever notice he never smiles? marble falls Feb 2018 #8
he's not programmed to. nt Javaman Feb 2018 #14
Do we WANT to see him smile? maddiemom Feb 2018 #22
Not at all. I like it that he feels so uncomfortable. Here's to Bob Mueller making him even more so. marble falls Feb 2018 #26
I filled out my application in the late 80s. Cracklin Charlie Feb 2018 #4
When I first looked it over (I remember it being like 30 some pages) I almost changed my mind.... marble falls Feb 2018 #6
I was instructed to list people I had known for 20 years. Cracklin Charlie Feb 2018 #11
I remember a bunch of questions like that: and I was 21. My twenty year relationships were.... marble falls Feb 2018 #13
lol! Cha Mar 2018 #31
Great reading! orangecrush Feb 2018 #3
"desperation hangs around him like stripper perfume" -lmao eom poboy2 Feb 2018 #7
I liked this one as well NewJeffCT Feb 2018 #29
Thanks, crush! Is his address Cha Mar 2018 #32
interesting,address orangecrush Mar 2018 #34
Rick Wilson brings it home in this article. madaboutharry Feb 2018 #5
He does have a way with words... NewJeffCT Feb 2018 #9
A smart president would be too ebarrassed and ashamed vlyons Feb 2018 #10
Nepotism is not unheard of... Ohiya Feb 2018 #15
RFK NewJeffCT Feb 2018 #16
Thanks, I didn't know that! Ohiya Feb 2018 #18
It was one of those things NewJeffCT Feb 2018 #25
Of course, Bobby Kennedy was also qualified for the job. TNNurse Feb 2018 #19
He was a lot more qualified NewJeffCT Feb 2018 #20
true but at least he was hired to actually be AG and do what anyone else would do JI7 Mar 2018 #33
RFK was QUALIFIED to be attorney general. Any comparison to Kushner is laughable. n/t FSogol Feb 2018 #23
Ouch! From a republican strategist, no less. PdxSean Feb 2018 #12
Wilson NewJeffCT Feb 2018 #17
I did in 1976, and again in 1978 (NASA). raven mad Feb 2018 #21
Ivanka have a clearance that is in jeopardy too? NoMoreRepugs Feb 2018 #24
Not sure if Kelly is brave enough to do that NewJeffCT Feb 2018 #30
Tee hee. The bad guys make it really easy at times. . . DinahMoeHum Feb 2018 #27
I filled one out in 1966. MineralMan Feb 2018 #28

marble falls

(71,926 posts)
1. I did one in '72 as a pot smoking college drop out and got it the first time. All it takes is...
Wed Feb 28, 2018, 08:10 AM
Feb 2018

being truthful.

marble falls

(71,926 posts)
26. Not at all. I like it that he feels so uncomfortable. Here's to Bob Mueller making him even more so.
Wed Feb 28, 2018, 10:11 AM
Feb 2018

Cracklin Charlie

(12,904 posts)
4. I filled out my application in the late 80s.
Wed Feb 28, 2018, 08:25 AM
Feb 2018

It took me 4 days. I was told to take my time, to make sure that nothing was forgotten or omitted.

It was a complicated ordeal.

marble falls

(71,926 posts)
6. When I first looked it over (I remember it being like 30 some pages) I almost changed my mind....
Wed Feb 28, 2018, 08:32 AM
Feb 2018

people told me that when the FBI showed up to follow up, water pressure was lost in the neighborhood from toilets being flushed to get rid of pot. I'd like to believe it.

Cracklin Charlie

(12,904 posts)
11. I was instructed to list people I had known for 20 years.
Wed Feb 28, 2018, 08:46 AM
Feb 2018

Being only 30 at the time, this was quite a quandary. So, I listed an old friend of my mom’s who had been a former teacher of mine.

Problem was, she lived in a tiny town of about 100 souls, and I didn’t know her address. She was out of the country travelling, and I couldn’t contact her. So, I just listed the very best description of how to find her that I could, including that she lived in the only brick house in town.

That sweet little Southern lady later told me that “Of course he found me, he’s the FBI. We sat and talked about you for hours over pie and coffee”!

marble falls

(71,926 posts)
13. I remember a bunch of questions like that: and I was 21. My twenty year relationships were....
Wed Feb 28, 2018, 08:51 AM
Feb 2018

were few. I got interviewed when a neighbor went to work for State. It was a charge talking to the FBI under this circumstance.

orangecrush

(30,260 posts)
3. Great reading!
Wed Feb 28, 2018, 08:16 AM
Feb 2018

Thanks!





From the o.p. link...

"Kushner is a man who needs a billion dollars fast, and is willing to cast shame on the winds to get there. The stench of his venality and desperation hangs around him like stripper perfume, cloying and obvious. Jared all but hiked up his sassy pink petticoats while whistling “Hey, sailor!” to the Chinese, Israeli, Arab, and Russian investors he begged to invest in his failing 666 Fifth Avenue white elephant."

NewJeffCT

(56,848 posts)
29. I liked this one as well
Wed Feb 28, 2018, 10:49 AM
Feb 2018

"...busted Kushner’s security clearance down from TS/SCI to Walmart Greeter Background Check (Provisional)."

orangecrush

(30,260 posts)
34. interesting,address
Thu Mar 1, 2018, 09:53 AM
Mar 2018

It is the address of his failed skyscraper office building, I think.


madaboutharry

(42,033 posts)
5. Rick Wilson brings it home in this article.
Wed Feb 28, 2018, 08:31 AM
Feb 2018

This line is particularly good:

"Kushner has no one to blame but himself. His ambition exceeded his abilities by orders of magnitude so vast it would take a team of advanced mathematicians a generation to devise a system by which to measure the differential."

NewJeffCT

(56,848 posts)
9. He does have a way with words...
Wed Feb 28, 2018, 08:38 AM
Feb 2018

"A smart president would have already told Jared to pack up and get the hell out, but... oh, who are we kidding?"

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
10. A smart president would be too ebarrassed and ashamed
Wed Feb 28, 2018, 08:46 AM
Feb 2018

to hire his son-in-law. We don't do nepotism in this country. But Traitor Trump has no shame.

NewJeffCT

(56,848 posts)
25. It was one of those things
Wed Feb 28, 2018, 09:44 AM
Feb 2018

that was not done before, but there were no actual laws against it. Sort of like Trump with his tax returns - it was an unwritten rule that you released them, but never actually mandatory. The same with putting your monetary holdings into a blind trust - an unwritten rule that was followed on a bipartisan basis, until Trump.

NewJeffCT

(56,848 posts)
20. He was a lot more qualified
Wed Feb 28, 2018, 09:40 AM
Feb 2018

than Kushner is for anything. However, until becoming attorney general, RFK was more of a behind the scenes player - running his brother's campaign for senate, serving as an aide to Adlai Stevenson in his run for president, working behind the scenes in the Justice Department. Compared to Janet Reno, Eric Holder and even (gasp) John Ashcroft, RFK was less qualified on paper. While Ashcroft was a joke politically, he was Missouri state AG for 10 years and governor for 8 before becoming US AG.

JI7

(93,616 posts)
33. true but at least he was hired to actually be AG and do what anyone else would do
Thu Mar 1, 2018, 06:08 AM
Mar 2018

while the reason Jared is in charge of so many things has more to do with him getting access to people to help them get money. trump is part of the whole thing.

FSogol

(47,623 posts)
23. RFK was QUALIFIED to be attorney general. Any comparison to Kushner is laughable. n/t
Wed Feb 28, 2018, 09:44 AM
Feb 2018

PdxSean

(574 posts)
12. Ouch! From a republican strategist, no less.
Wed Feb 28, 2018, 08:49 AM
Feb 2018

That was the best cup of coffee I’ve had in a long time.

raven mad

(4,940 posts)
21. I did in 1976, and again in 1978 (NASA).
Wed Feb 28, 2018, 09:43 AM
Feb 2018

LOL! "Move along, nothing to see there"..............

NewJeffCT

(56,848 posts)
30. Not sure if Kelly is brave enough to do that
Wed Feb 28, 2018, 11:28 AM
Feb 2018

but, since she is married to Kushner, shouldn't the huge liabilities at least partly affect her clearance as well? Unless they have some sort of iron clad prenup?

DinahMoeHum

(23,607 posts)
27. Tee hee. The bad guys make it really easy at times. . .
Wed Feb 28, 2018, 10:15 AM
Feb 2018
https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-deep-state-takes-out-the-white-houses-dark-clown-prince?ref=home

. . .and in the war of the Deep State vs. Team Trump, the bad guys often make it easy by being greedy, sloppy, and stupid.
Jared was all three.


MineralMan

(151,269 posts)
28. I filled one out in 1966.
Wed Feb 28, 2018, 10:19 AM
Feb 2018

It was a PITA, but I was only 19 years old, so there wasn't lot of history to relate. I got the clearance, of course, but did have to have an in-person interview about some mailings I had received from Soviet bloc countries. The investigation also involved interviews with a number of people in my hometown by FBI agents. My hometown was very small, so that investigation gave me minor celebrity status for a while.

Over time, the level of clearance I had kept increasing. Each time, there was a new, if briefer, investigation. When I got my discharge from the USAF, I had to sign a travel restriction agreement that may still be in force. I have no interest, though, in traveling to any of the places on the restricted list. I suppose there are still things I did that might possibly be of interest to someone, but the chances of anyone asking me about them is minuscule.

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