OMG It's Real Folks-WH Confirms Jared was manipulated

[kpete]

The White House just confirmed the report that Israel, Mexico, China and UAE privately discussed ways to manipulate Kushner. WH deputy press secretary Raj Shah condemned the report on CNN as “an intelligence leak.” That’s means it’s real. Thanks, Raj.

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[Eliot Rosewater]

1. Can you imagine, i mean can you IMAGINE

if this was an Obama or Clinton FAMILY member.

You would not be able to turn on the TV, look at a newspaper for MONTHS and hear anything else.

Think about it, the emails of Hillary were NEVER any kind of story and that was clear DAY ONE, look what they did to THAT!

Fuck I am angry.

[OhNo-Really]

12. Seriously, Obama's real genius brother ans sister stayed far away from White House

[madaboutharry]

30. I think you mean his brother-in-law and sister.

His estranged half brother is not a genius.

[OhNo-Really]

41. right. thank y

[Initech]

36. It's seriously almost like their playbook is...

Asking "what would a liberal do?" and then literally doing the exact opposite. It's like the old Goofus and Gallant comics except Goofus is intentionally pissing off Gallant.

[NewJeffCT]

48. I think it's more like "What would (or did) Obama do?"

and then do the opposite

[maxsolomon]

2. Don't they all discuss how to manipulate everybody?

I mean, it's diplomacy.

[liberal_patriot_md]

7. No. Its different.

Kushner is in serious debt and has been running all over the world looking for backers.

This is a very different situation when it comes to being susceptible to manipulation.

[maxsolomon]

15. Kewl

I haven't been tracking this story.

[pnwmom]

10. It's not normal to say they only want to meet with Jared -- alone. n/t

[NCTraveler]

3. I dont see why this amounts to anything.

I would think this is commonplace.

[pnwmom]

13. The WA Post piece showed that they regarded him as an easy mark,

and preferred to meet with him alone -- without any knowledgable advisors.

That isn't commonplace.

[NCTraveler]

44. I dont see how that changes that the concept isnt commonplace. Nt

[pnwmom]

46. The fact that they wanted to meet with him alone, without advisors, is unusual.

They had the perfect opportunity, and WH officials said they were afraid he was "being tricked."

Most WH's take measures to avoid vulnerable situations like this. That is what makes not commonplace.

[Juliusseizure]

52. How do you know its commonplace?

[blake2012]

22. Not even close to normal

For starters, most administrations don’t put political neophytes in these senior roles.

Second, they tend to avoid putting non-vetted people with so many international financial dealings and debt obligations in this position.

They are preparing you and me for more damning information against him. He may well face charges.

[NCTraveler]

43. I agree with your points.

They don’t negate commonplace with respect to the main point.

[Juliusseizure]

53. Why do you assume its commonplace?

Can you point to a credible source that its commonplace? If not,wouldn't that be a bizarre assumption you're making in Kushner's defense?

[LanternWaste]

56. What specifically leads you to allege it's in fact, commonplace.

What specifically leads you to allege it's in fact, commonplace and amounts to nothing?

[Corgigal]

4. Jared was played with phony information.

We have real friends, they told us.

Opps. Jared didn't think we know how to play this? We're a damn country, you idiot.

[HipChick]

5. So who gave them the intelligence?

FBI or CIA?

[Corgigal]

6. Don't know,

maybe one day we will.

[OhNo-Really]

14. So China UAE Mexico Fake Newsed Jarad? Freaking irony

[BigmanPigman]

8. Meanwhile Jared sincerely believes that his colleagues are

"Out to get him" a personal acquaintance told CNN. He genuinely thinks he is doing a great job, is more than competent and having no experience or qualifications is irrelevant. This is the typical entitled/above the law attitude that the family members have. They do not have to follow rules, they never get punished, etc because they are such wonderful, superior human beings.

[iluvtennis]

27. Exactly - "the typical entitled/above the law attitude that the family members have"

[csziggy]

34. Yet another example of the Dunning Krueger Effect!

"He genuinely thinks he is doing a great job, is more than competent and having no experience or qualifications is irrelevant."

Jan 24, 2017 @ 09:00 AM
The Dunning-Kruger Effect Shows Why Some People Think They're Great Even When Their Work Is Terrible

Mark Murphy

If you’ve ever dealt with someone whose performance stinks, and they’re not only clueless that their performance stinks but they’re confident that their performance is good, you likely saw the Dunning-Kruger Effect in action.

Coined in 1999 by then-Cornell psychologists David Dunning and Justin Kruger, the eponymous Dunning-Kruger Effect is a cognitive bias whereby people who are incompetent at something are unable to recognize their own incompetence. And not only do they fail to recognize their incompetence, they’re also likely to feel confident that they actually are competent.

Pat’s programming skills need a lot of improvement. If Pat saw his deficiencies, he would be able to fix them, he wouldn’t fight constructive criticism of his coding, and, frankly, he wouldn’t be so frustrating to deal with.

<SNIP>

The irony of the Dunning-Kruger Effect is that, Professor Dunning notes, “the knowledge and intelligence that are required to be good at a task are often the same qualities needed to recognize that one is not good at that task—and if one lacks such knowledge and intelligence, one remains ignorant that one is not good at that task.”

More: https://www.forbes.com/sites/markmurphy/2017/01/24/the-dunning-kruger-effect-shows-why-some-people-think-theyre-great-even-when-their-work-is-terrible/#46bbd03d5d7c

It is interesting that Forbes published this article about a 1999 paper just days after Dolt45 took office...

[BigmanPigman]

37. It is interesting that both Jared and

The Fucking Moron and his spawn have this same "trait" when they do not even share DNA. I wonder what accounts for it, the way you were raised and your environment?

[csziggy]

38. It's probably the similarities in personality that attracted Ivanka

Other than that, I have nothing.

[pnwmom]

47. Some say that the children of narcissists either become narcissists themselves

or they marry narcissists. I think Ivanka did both. She's just somewhat better at disguising it than her father. She's more appropriate in public.

[csziggy]

49. Ivanka's cover could be part of the image expected of women

Especially by sexist men like her father. Women have to defer to men, they have to have a quiet, lady like voice, they have to present themselves in ways that are pleasing to me, etal.

That makes her narcissism less obvious because she fits in with the traits desired (by men) for women.

[GreenEyedLefty]

45. I suspect this is common in family-run businesses.

[DBoon]

51. An overprivileged background

Being able to buy your way out of trouble creates an unrealistic sense of entitlement.

Another reason why extreme wealth should be heavily taxed. Being wealthy enough to void normal social rules is destructive to society as a whole.

[C Moon]

9. I keep half-expecting to wake up one day to see news here that Trump is resigning...

Because things appear to be falling apart for the criminal.
He'd probably try to fly to Russia and hide out.

[OhNo-Really]

17. Maybe Don can run Syria as a compromise? Better climate

[Rorey]

35. I don't think they'd take him

When his money laundering days are over and he's undeniably exposed as a traitor, he'll be of no use to Putin.

[Juliusseizure]

54. Me too

But He won't resign until he has to - when Mueller has a slam dunk case and he's on the verge of an embarrassing impeachment.

That's his pattern when he's in legal trouble. Its the equivalent of settling before trial.

He denied Trump University for years and had his lawyers do every dirty legal trick that wouldn't get them disbarred. He said it was a great University, etc etc and he couldn't wait to prove his case in court.

But it was a slam dunk case and when on the verge of going to trial, he settled for 25 million.

I think he gets a thrill egregiously breaking the law seeing what he can get aaay with, knowing he'll probably escape serious punishment, and aggressively defying any legal attempt to correct it.

[Honeycombe8]

11. Discussing ways to manipulate does not mean that he was manipulated.

It means what it says: they discussed ways to manipulate him. Doesn't mean they actually DID those things, or even if they did, that they worked. Although that's possible.

[pnwmom]

16. They saw him as an easy mark -- as long as they could get him ALONE.

Which at least some of them did.

[Honeycombe8]

19. Maybe. Just pointing out the language. The statement quoted does not SAY that he was.

I've been seeing a lot of that lately. Taking a statement and then saying that it says something it doesn't.

[LiberalLovinLug]

28. But why wouldn't they at least try?

They discussed it seriously, so there is every reason to believe they at least tried. And if they tried, knowing how he is such a newbie and gullible, there's a very good chance he was taken advantage of.

[pnwmom]

40. He was deliberately making himself vulnerable to unethical dealings with those people,

anytime he met with them alone.

Why would he do that, unless he didn't want anyone else in the administration or intelligence agencies to know?

This ties in with him asking Russia if he could use Russia's SCIF, instead of using a US SCIF. He didn't want US intelligence to know what he was doing.

[blake2012]

24. Dont worry. They are just lowering the boom gradually

This is an important set of corroborating info from other countries showing WHY you don’t put such ethically compromised people in these positions. Ethics background checks and removal g people with conflicts of interest happens for a very good reason.

[Honeycombe8]

25. I was just pointing out an issue of language.

When something says one thing, that does not mean it says something else that might be a logical conclusion. It either says something, or it doesn't. The fact is...there is nothing to date that says that Kushner was manipulated, or that anyone used a tactic to manipulate him. They DISCUSSED IT. Those are the facts.

They may have employed those tactics and tried to, and the tactics may have been successful. But that has not been stated to date.

That's the point I was making.

[pnwmom]

42. But how about this language?

http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2018/feb/28/the-most-ominous-line-in-the-new-jared-kushner-sto/

Officials in the White House were concerned that Kushner was “naive and being tricked” in conversations with foreign officials, some of whom said they wanted to deal only with Kushner directly and not more experienced personnel, said one former White House official.

Why on earth would foreign officials insist upon working only through Kushner? Perhaps it was a totally noncontroversial and understandable reason – such as that he was focused on their particular area of concern or that he had built relationships with them. It’s also quite possible it was because he was the president’s son-in-law, in addition to his senior adviser, and they felt he had more power.

White House officials were worried he was "naive and being tricked." BEING tricked, meaning: in the process of being tricked.

[NBachers]

33. OK, so at the very least, he's compromised, should never have been in the position he's in now,

and should vacate his position immediately. He's exposed; he's always been exposed, and he's a liability.

Do you have a semantic ploy to get around this one?

[Thrill]

18. Its really amazing that Generals like Kelly and McMaster would let that weasel

Around intelligence, knowing this. Just wouldn’t expect military men to allow that shit.

[Mr.Bill]

23. We can only hope

that they were smart enough to feed him false intelligence to hand over to our adversaries and friends alike. I which case a lot of people are going to be really pissed off at him. He may not even be able to find a place to run to.

[2left4u]

20. Lol

I didn't know selling your country out to the highest bidder in a corrupt administration was called beung manipulated

[sarcasmo]

21. The Titanic is sinking.

[magicarpet]

26. A real mental light weight this Jared Kushner is, watch...

... Kushner speaks at the Haim Saban Forum at the Brookings Institute - 2017.

[magicarpet]

32. Moving the Israel capital to Jerusalem....

.... was not the wisest move on team tr-dump's behalf. But Netanyahu was likely insistent that this deal breaker to a possible peace plan be inserted. The Palestinians, the Arabs, and some Christians are non too happy about this idea especially because Israel made no concessions to realize this hand out/off.

Art of the Deal - Deal Maker - Bull Shit.
They tossed any hope for a peace deal under the bus and backed over it twice.

[TomCADem]

29. Kelley Wins Knife Fight With Javanka

Nt

[bitterross]

31. It can't be an intelligence leak. There is no intelligence in the 45 administration.

There's no intelligence to leak. How can there be a leak?

[gademocrat7]

39. Beyond the pale.

No security clearance. No qualifications. It is a freaking nightmare.

[George II]

50. Revealing criminal activity is "an intelligence leak"? How about the COVER UP?

[cynical_idealist]

55. He was manipulated with full release

many times