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Fri Jul 27, 2012, 12:39 PM

PSA announcement, if you can, it is time to restock your pantry.

This drought will push prices up at least by 10% to 20% not the estimated 4%. Cattle meat should drop due to the initial selling of herds that cannot be fed, then there will be a long period of meat shortage.

Also be carefull of relying too much on electric power. Nuke plants need large amount of water to keep running and are already taken off line in some areas.

A diesel generators would be useful and be sure you learn how and where fuel can be stored.

This is big outlay of funds, look into forming group support sharing or local Farm Bureau.

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Reply PSA announcement, if you can, it is time to restock your pantry. (Original post)
CK_John Jul 2012 OP
Fire Walk With Me Jul 2012 #1
cali Jul 2012 #2
Le Taz Hot Jul 2012 #3
cali Jul 2012 #4
grasswire Jul 2012 #5
Berlum Jul 2012 #9
msongs Jul 2012 #6
Scout Jul 2012 #12
RebelOne Jul 2012 #18
Viva_La_Revolution Jul 2012 #7
truebrit71 Jul 2012 #8
lunatica Jul 2012 #10
Horse with no Name Jul 2012 #11
slackmaster Jul 2012 #13
cali Jul 2012 #28
slackmaster Jul 2012 #52
RedRocco Jul 2012 #29
leeroysphitz Jul 2012 #35
slackmaster Jul 2012 #51
Logical Jul 2012 #38
slackmaster Jul 2012 #50
Logical Jul 2012 #57
nc4bo Jul 2012 #14
Poll_Blind Jul 2012 #15
nc4bo Jul 2012 #17
RebelOne Jul 2012 #19
slackmaster Jul 2012 #20
nc4bo Jul 2012 #21
nc4bo Jul 2012 #22
slackmaster Jul 2012 #26
nc4bo Jul 2012 #32
nc4bo Jul 2012 #23
slackmaster Jul 2012 #24
nc4bo Jul 2012 #30
X_Digger Jul 2012 #33
nc4bo Jul 2012 #34
X_Digger Jul 2012 #42
nc4bo Jul 2012 #45
X_Digger Jul 2012 #49
nc4bo Jul 2012 #53
X_Digger Jul 2012 #56
nc4bo Jul 2012 #62
SoCalDem Jul 2012 #36
nc4bo Jul 2012 #37
slackmaster Jul 2012 #48
nc4bo Jul 2012 #58
Robb Jul 2012 #16
NNN0LHI Jul 2012 #25
HiPointDem Jul 2012 #27
trof Jul 2012 #31
Logical Jul 2012 #39
NNN0LHI Jul 2012 #40
Logical Jul 2012 #41
NNN0LHI Jul 2012 #43
Logical Jul 2012 #44
NNN0LHI Jul 2012 #46
Logical Jul 2012 #47
NNN0LHI Jul 2012 #54
Logical Jul 2012 #59
NNN0LHI Jul 2012 #60
Logical Jul 2012 #61
NNN0LHI Jul 2012 #63
Liberal_in_LA Jul 2012 #55

Response to CK_John (Original post)

Fri Jul 27, 2012, 12:40 PM

1. Thank you, and it's only going to get worse.

 

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Response to CK_John (Original post)

Fri Jul 27, 2012, 12:49 PM

2. good post. food prices have been going up and will rise even more dramatically

 

over the coming months.

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Response to CK_John (Original post)

Fri Jul 27, 2012, 12:52 PM

3. It's the middle of summer which is

prime canning season. NOW would be the time to can as much as you can -- produce is at it's freshest and prices are lowest.

I brought my grocery bill down to $200.00 a month for two people this past winter by relying on what we canned during the summer.

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Response to Le Taz Hot (Reply #3)

Fri Jul 27, 2012, 12:54 PM

4. I love canning and I'm going to miss it this year

 

You are so right about reducing the grocery bill and plus a lot of what I've put up is far more delicious than anything from a grocery store.

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Response to CK_John (Original post)

Fri Jul 27, 2012, 01:00 PM

5. and they plan to cut food stamps

there are going to be many more hungry Americans. Food banks just can't keep up.

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Response to grasswire (Reply #5)

Fri Jul 27, 2012, 04:06 PM

9. That is indeed the Republican plan, but....

The Repubbies are stalling the Farm Bill (which has their Slash & Burn devastation of food stamps), until after the election.

Republicans want to stay occult about their Evil A-hole plans, and keep Americans ignorant about the truth. As usual.

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Response to CK_John (Original post)

Fri Jul 27, 2012, 01:39 PM

6. humans don't need to eat meat. no big loss there nt

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Response to msongs (Reply #6)

Fri Jul 27, 2012, 04:21 PM

12. maybe you don't. more for me. n/t

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Response to msongs (Reply #6)

Fri Jul 27, 2012, 04:41 PM

18. Me neither. I am a vegetarian. n/t

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Response to CK_John (Original post)

Fri Jul 27, 2012, 04:03 PM

7. I found pork for $2 lb, chops for $2.50 and round roast for $3

believe me I stocked up! Chicken hasn't gone down yet, still at $1 lb whole.

I don't have to worry too much about elec power here in PNW, barring earthquakes anyway.

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Response to CK_John (Original post)

Fri Jul 27, 2012, 04:05 PM

8. Good point...I have a fairly large freezer where i can store meats etc...

 

...was planning on going to Costco this weekend as well...nice timing!

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Response to CK_John (Original post)

Fri Jul 27, 2012, 04:11 PM

10. And thus it begins

The weather is forcing us to act. Like it or not.

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Response to CK_John (Original post)

Fri Jul 27, 2012, 04:19 PM

11. I was at the store the other day

and they had 3 bags of beans for $1.00.

I have a pantry full of beans now.

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Response to CK_John (Original post)

Fri Jul 27, 2012, 04:24 PM

13. Anyone who doesn't maintain a well-stocked pantry in preparation for natural disasters is naive

 

If you need to stock up now, you may already be too late.

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #13)

Fri Jul 27, 2012, 05:30 PM

28. you do realize that a lot of people- and I'm one of them

 

can't afford to maintain a well-stocked pantry, right?

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Response to cali (Reply #28)

Fri Jul 27, 2012, 07:06 PM

52. Yes, I am aware of that

 

Sorry if you really can't afford to keep some emergency food on hand. I hope someone is around to assist you in the event of a disaster.

If you happen to be near my place, you are welcome to stop by for a meal and a bottle of water.

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #13)

Fri Jul 27, 2012, 05:31 PM

29. some of us cant stock enough to last till payday

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Response to RedRocco (Reply #29)

Fri Jul 27, 2012, 06:03 PM

35. +1

 

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Response to RedRocco (Reply #29)

Fri Jul 27, 2012, 07:04 PM

51. Maybe God will take care of people who are in that kind of situation

 

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #13)

Fri Jul 27, 2012, 06:23 PM

38. I disagree. People tend to thinks things will turn worse than they really do. n-t

 

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Response to Logical (Reply #38)

Fri Jul 27, 2012, 07:04 PM

50. Often true, but if a large earthquake affects SoCal I won't be drinking from the toilet tank

 

Or wishing I had kept a few more cans of soup on the shelf.

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #50)

Fri Jul 27, 2012, 07:12 PM

57. Good point!

 

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Response to CK_John (Original post)

Fri Jul 27, 2012, 04:32 PM

14. Once upon a time you could stock up on canned goods and they'd last for years...

Nice cool, dry place and you're set.

Check out the expiration dates of canned goods now. You're lucky if you get 2 years out of them.

I'm canning my garden tomatoes (can't afford a pressure canner) and know they'll come in very handy. Next year I hope to be able to can other foods and meats.

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Response to nc4bo (Reply #14)

Fri Jul 27, 2012, 04:34 PM

15. I've noticed this too- do you know how this came to be?

I've been wondering about this, off and on.

Thanks!

PB

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Response to Poll_Blind (Reply #15)

Fri Jul 27, 2012, 04:37 PM

17. Not at all. We wound up tossing a ton of stuff

after opening a 3 yr old can of tomatoes and you could tell they were "off". Called the manufacturer and they said absolutely throw it away which meant tossing a cupboard full of stuff.

Talk about po'd, not even the word for it.

Maybe someone can lend an explanation...

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Response to nc4bo (Reply #14)

Fri Jul 27, 2012, 04:44 PM

19. I have many canned goods that I bought during

the 2000 scare. Now I guess there is a lot I have to discard.

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Response to nc4bo (Reply #14)

Fri Jul 27, 2012, 04:47 PM

20. Food does not magically become inedible on the printed expiration date

 

If you store canned foods under good conditions, most kinds are safe to eat far beyond that date.

Home-canned tomatoes are great! I always add a little citric acid to mine. The extra acidity should keep them good for a longer time.

I've kept my own canned tomatoes and sauces as long as two years, and they've always been perfectly good to eat.

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #20)

Fri Jul 27, 2012, 05:11 PM

21. I'd have agreed with you before but for some reason the product

had changed in color and consistency. This never used to happen before. My gram had canned goods in the basement that lasted for years, literally and although it's been many a year, I believe the dates were in the 3-5 year timeframe but could definitely last longer if properly stored.

Take the canned (metal) tomatoes (not the ones I'm putting up lol) tasted/smelled funny but not alarming, the color was a bit darker, we went ahead and used it anyway but what really alarming was the soup we used them in turned almost black in color.

That's what prompted us to call the manufacturer and that's when they told us to toss and toss anything with an expired date.

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Response to nc4bo (Reply #21)

Fri Jul 27, 2012, 05:12 PM

22. lost cans and some good okra soup!!

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Response to nc4bo (Reply #21)

Fri Jul 27, 2012, 05:29 PM

26. The manufacturer will always do the legal CYA thing

 

And who could blame them?

I agree that if any of your senses tell you that food is somehow "off," it's not worth the risk of eating it.

I throw questionable food into my compost pile, so it all gets recycled.

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #26)

Fri Jul 27, 2012, 05:55 PM

32. You, are a very smart person. I'd never have thought of the compost.

I appreciate these little hints more than you'd know

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #20)

Fri Jul 27, 2012, 05:14 PM

23. About citric acid...

I bought lemon juice and a can of CA. Used the juice but wasn't sure about the CA since the canning recipes I'd been always say not to replace anything in the recipe. This was my first time so wasn't sure what to believe.

Guess I should go on over the the cook/baking forum.

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Response to nc4bo (Reply #23)

Fri Jul 27, 2012, 05:27 PM

24. The USDA's Guide to Home Canning is a great resource

 

You can find it at many sources in PDF format for free download.

Their canning instructions are probably overkill in terms of food safety. If you follow them carefully, you really can't go wrong.

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #24)

Fri Jul 27, 2012, 05:37 PM

30. This is GREAT!!

Wonderful actually and right on time because I've got a bunch ready to process now.

THANK-YOU!!

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Response to nc4bo (Reply #14)

Fri Jul 27, 2012, 05:56 PM

33. I hate that.. I have 15 year old home canned tomatoes that I still use..

When we moved recently, we noticed some store bought tomato products that were off.

Ticked us off as well.

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Response to X_Digger (Reply #33)

Fri Jul 27, 2012, 06:00 PM

34. Are you being sarcastic?


Do you remember seeing the story about a can of lard from WW2 that was still edible?

Something has changed in the way the cans are made or the way manufacturers are preparing the food.

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Response to nc4bo (Reply #34)

Fri Jul 27, 2012, 06:40 PM

42. Not at all sarcastic.. my tomatoes taste as good as the day they were canned. (mason jars)

We had both 'cans' of tomato products as well as jars that had gone bad.

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Response to X_Digger (Reply #42)

Fri Jul 27, 2012, 06:48 PM

45. WOW!!!!!

I am totally and completely amazed!!!

Do you use a pressure canner?

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Response to nc4bo (Reply #45)

Fri Jul 27, 2012, 06:56 PM

49. Yup! Though I need to find a new gasket..

I got my cooker from my great-grandmother, and she included a bag of pop-off valves, but told me I'd have to replace the gasket every couple of years. That wasn't a problem 10-12 years ago, my local hardware store carried them. Now? Hrmmmm.

I'll have to dig it out of the attic, see if I can get a gasket (and see if the can rack is still in it). It holds, I believe, 5 or 6 quart jars.

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Response to X_Digger (Reply #49)

Fri Jul 27, 2012, 07:06 PM

53. That is wonderful, seriously!

That's what I want to save up for, a pressure canner. I noticed when you want to can low acid foods, stews, soups, meat, etc, those are the way to go but one baby step at a time for me!

I'm confident you can find your gaskets without too many problems. Check online.

You've inherited a fine piece of equipment and a very handy skill set!





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Response to nc4bo (Reply #53)

Fri Jul 27, 2012, 07:11 PM

56. Nothing tastes quite so good on a cold winter night as chili made from your own tomato sauce.

Bonus points for growing your own chilies and peppers.

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Response to X_Digger (Reply #56)

Fri Jul 27, 2012, 07:40 PM

62. Ha

That sounds good right now even if it's a bit warm out there!! .

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Response to nc4bo (Reply #14)

Fri Jul 27, 2012, 06:09 PM

36. Cool dry places are hard to come by in the desert areas

Basements are no longer de rigueur in most places and cool & dry costs money.

Many staples can be frozen if one has a freezer.


Wouldn't it be great of high corn costs actually got HFCS out of foods? One can dream

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Response to SoCalDem (Reply #36)

Fri Jul 27, 2012, 06:18 PM

37. I wish, that stuff seems to be in everything.

Hunts ketchup and Log Cabin syrup dumped HFCS and a few small soft drink companies using regular sugar.

Some companies are getting the message, not enough though.

We lack a basement too (one thing I miss badly) and pantry stays too warm but we've a bedroom closet that is cool and dark. Visitors probably think it odd but I stopped caring lol.

And yea - I definitely see your point about cool places living in a hot dry climate.

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Response to SoCalDem (Reply #36)

Fri Jul 27, 2012, 06:56 PM

48. I put dried beans and flour in the freezer for a few days to kill the @$$#$%&&* moths and beetles

 

I REALLY HATE those bugs. Once they get into your food supplies, it's all over unless it's stored in glass or metal.

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #48)

Fri Jul 27, 2012, 07:17 PM

58. Moths......very hard to get rid of, yes!

Haven't had a run in with beetles or weevils but those darn moths would be everywhere and just when I thought they were gone, there's one hanging upside down on the ceiling.

I wind up sticking stuff like beans, rice, grits, pancake mix, breadcrumbs, etc in ziplock bags as a precaution!! Buggers even invaded my loose spices - not going through that anymore.

Now you've got me wondering if ziplock bags are enough - yuck.

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Response to CK_John (Original post)

Fri Jul 27, 2012, 04:36 PM

16. Never a bad idea in general, but I expect the price rise will be ameliorated

...by a drop in shipping prices, e.g. fuel costs going down.

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Response to CK_John (Original post)

Fri Jul 27, 2012, 05:29 PM

25. Doesn't hoarding just raise prices for everyone who can't afford to hoard?

Why, yes it does.

Don

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Response to CK_John (Original post)

Fri Jul 27, 2012, 05:29 PM

27. it's not drought, it's economic terrorism.

 

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Response to CK_John (Original post)

Fri Jul 27, 2012, 05:48 PM

31. "cattle meat" is usually called "beef".

Sorry, I just had to.

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Response to CK_John (Original post)

Fri Jul 27, 2012, 06:27 PM

39. "This drought will push prices up at least by 10% to 20% not the estimated 4%"??

 

So the estimates are wrong based on your calculations? Why are you right and them wrong?

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Response to Logical (Reply #39)

Fri Jul 27, 2012, 06:29 PM

40. Who you going to believe? CK_John or your lying eyes?

Thats a tough one isn't it?



Don

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Response to NNN0LHI (Reply #40)

Fri Jul 27, 2012, 06:38 PM

41. Don't get it. Explain it to me.

 

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Response to Logical (Reply #41)

Fri Jul 27, 2012, 06:42 PM

43. Its an old Groucho Marx quote that indicates you know the truth and I agree with you

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Response to NNN0LHI (Reply #43)

Fri Jul 27, 2012, 06:46 PM

44. OK, interesting. Never heard it. Thanks!

 

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Response to Logical (Reply #44)

Fri Jul 27, 2012, 06:53 PM

46. It is used when you know someone is lying to you

Its like someone walking up and saying to you the sky is yellow while you are looking up at the sky and it is blue as ever.

And you turn to that person and say, "Damn who am I going to believe? You, or my "lying" eyes.

Hope contextualizing this helped.



Don

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Response to NNN0LHI (Reply #46)

Fri Jul 27, 2012, 06:54 PM

47. Ok, makes sense. Sorry I was clueless!! :-)

 

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Response to Logical (Reply #47)

Fri Jul 27, 2012, 07:11 PM

54. No problem but let me give you an even better example

Someone here was trying to convince everyone here that the entire Midwest corn crop was doomed because of the drought about a week ago.

They said it was all dying and only getting worse. Like what they were showing on TV to the city folks.

One problem with that. I live in the Midwest not too far from the poster who had their hair on fire over it.

And I was looking out my sliding glass doors at the time looking at this.



So, who was I going to believe? The poster with their hair on fire over the drought or my lying eyes?

Take care and see you later.

Don

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Response to NNN0LHI (Reply #54)

Fri Jul 27, 2012, 07:17 PM

59. Beautiful View! Wow!

 

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Response to Logical (Reply #59)

Fri Jul 27, 2012, 07:25 PM

60. Thank you

That is over 2000 acres of corn that is doing just fine during this worst draught in 56 years.

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Response to NNN0LHI (Reply #60)

Fri Jul 27, 2012, 07:37 PM

61. Good for you! "Knee High By The 4th Of July" is definitely not true anymore! :-) More like head high

 

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Response to Logical (Reply #61)

Fri Jul 27, 2012, 08:05 PM

63. This corn was tall as an elephants eye by the fourth of July

Just like it always has been for the over 20 years I have lived here.

Don

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Response to CK_John (Original post)

Fri Jul 27, 2012, 07:11 PM

55. Thanks for the tip

 

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